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Kochi (India)

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Critics needed!

Article - 33 kilobytes in length - looking for some strong, active critics to evaluate its progress so far. Suggestions, comments and brutal criticisms welcome.

What more can I say? :P -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 09:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some random comments after a quick glance

The relationship between Ernakulam and Kochi should be clearer. Whether Kochi is a city that is distinct from Ernakulam or if they are two names for the same thing, or it is just the name of the part beyond that bridge etc. (The Ernakulam article calls it a city which adjoins the city of Cochin, but don't they come under a single corporation ?). The first line of the article says that Kochi is a city and then a few lines later says that it includes 'Ernakulam city'.
Reply: Ernakulam refers to the western part of Kochi mainland. The article was refering to the earlier definition, when Kochi was used only to describe, well.....as you put it, the other side of that bridge. :P I've corrected the statement on both pages. Take a look. thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK
When we were kids we used to call it 'pongunna paalam' (the bridge that raises) and I still don't know its proper name :-) Tintin (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Union Christian College and Aquinas College are some of the institutions in the city offering tertiary education. - If this is the UC college, Alwaye, it should not be mentioned in this article.
Reply: Corrected. thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK
The red private buses are the backbone of public transport within the city. Isn't the general rule that Menaka buses are red and Padma buses are of other colours ? May not be correct to classify all private buses as red.
Reply: I used to use that rule to catch the bus back home when I was a kid. It was just an unofficial rule, and is not observed now-a-days (many more bus routes came inbetween and busses can go without touching either Padma or Menaka). thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK
The only international stadium in Kerala What is the definition of an international stadium (in other words, why are the corporation stadium in calicut or the chandrasekharan nair stadium not called by that name) ?
Kochi (Tripunithura) remained the capital of the princely state of Cochin The 'Kochi(Tripunithura)' sounds a little odd. Tintin (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Corrected. thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK
remove the word 'etc.' in '...Mattancherry, etc.' (rewrite that line...) --hydkat 11:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Done. The etc was for the tiny islands scattered accross the backwaters. thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK

I could not read the whole article now. Few points:

  1. "...according to the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1814, the city and its territory were ceded to the United Kingdom in exchange for the island of Banca. Kochi (Tripunithura) remained the capital of the princely state of Cochin (Perumpadapu Swaroopam in the local vernacular) from late 18th Century." Was Kochi under UK? In that case, how was it the capital of the ptincely state also?
    Reply: Only part of the city was ceeded to the British. See if it is clear now. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 13:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "Post independence, Ikkanda Warrier became the first Prime Minister of Kochi in 1948". He became Ptime Minister?? Not Chief Minister? Was it a special sort of post?
    Reply: hydkat hit it bang on (see below). -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 13:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. "Then in 1949, Travancore-Cochin state came into being by the merger of Cochin and Travancore, with Paravur T.K Narayana Pillai as the first chief minister. Travancore-Cochin, was in turn merged with the Malabar district of the Madras State, till joining the Indian Union in 1947." Somewhat confusing statements. 1949 - 1947 etc. Please clarify.
    Reply: Oops. My mistake, sorry. Check the article now. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 14:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. "Cochin was the first princely state to join Indian Union willingly." This should be placed where you say that Kochi Joined India. In fact, you should wikilink the "Post-Independence", or, clearly say "After the Independence of India".
    Reply: Is it better now? -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 14:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. History from 1956 till date is missing.
    Reply: Hmmm... I dont think anything important enogh to be recorded in history happend during that time :P. However I'll add a few points soon. Need some time for that. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 14:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Have created some red links in History. Please see.
  7. "Kochi comprises the mainland Ernakulam, old Kochi including Mattancherry, Fort Kochi, Palluruthy and Thoppumpadi, the suburbs of Edapally and the exurbia of Kalamassery, and Kakkanad to the northeast, Tripunithura to south east, and a group of islands closely scattered in the Vembanad lake, viz. Bolghatty Island (Ponjikkara), Willingdon Island, Vypeen Island, Ramanthuruthu, Vallarpadom, Kumbalam, Cherai, etc" Long confusing sentence. Consider breakuo. Wikilink all place names.
  8. National Waterways - wikilink.
  9. Alluvium, Teri’s, Brown sands, Hydromorphic saline soils - ptper wikilink.
  10. Mangalavanam - wikilink.
  11. Extremes of temperatures needed, besides the average ones that are already there.
  12. "The economy of the city can be classified as a business economy with emphasis on the service sector." — shoiuld be with inline citation.
  13. International Pepper Exchange: wikilink.
  14. use Non-breaking space between number and their units. I have edited some such instances under "Economy" please see.
  15. Try ro elaborate how the Kochi Corporation is run. Number of wards etc. and if it is Mayot-in-council style (comprising of a board of elected commisioners) etc.
  16. "parts of the world through road, rail, water and air." road and rail do not connect to other parts of the world. Its a bad poit to raise here though! Sorry.
  17. Transport has a choppy feel, with so many paragraphs. Please see.

Well, so far now. I have created MANY red links. Please attend. One more point. Health Care is not usually included under Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About point 2... since kochi was part of a princely state, on independence it must have had a prime minister for some time, before the princely state and adjoining districts were clubbed to form kerela during the first states reorganisation. --hydkat 13:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More on Kochi

  1. There are some redunduncy. Jewish community most of whom made Aliayh has been mentioned almost thrice (in deifferent sections). Languages have been discussed twice (in demographics and again in culture). Remove such duplications.
  2. "...major urbanisation problems like poor sanitation and unemployment." may be slightly elaborated with data. Slum data?
  3. crime data, preferably compared with national level or other major cities (as it is one of the highest in India).
  4. In culture, you may point out the traditional dress, if any, and what people usually wear. Also, music. dance, non-religioes festivals, arts, architecture. Food habit may slightly be elaborated (use of coconut, any special traditional fast food etc)
  5. The citation superscriprs you have used are before the punctuation marks. Please check if it's ok. I am not sure. Usually superscripts follow the punctuation marks. Also consider using Template:Cite news and Template:Cite news.
  6. There are too many names of institutions in Education. Try to remove some, and retain the superble major ones! Check if health care is compatible with the article, I mean, it's not in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities.
  7. "The red private buses are the backbone of public transport within the city." What exactly is that. A person not acquaited with the city may ask.
  8. Besides Transport, "Demographics" and "Culture" are also choppy, with many short paragraphs. Consider merging or good expansion. You may also consider creating appropriate daughter article.

I have again created a lot of red links. Sorry! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the amazing feedback guys. I've modified the article to accomodate the mentioned factors. However its late now. I'll get back later in the morning and respond individually to each one of them. Meanwhile, keep them coming! -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 16:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • "However, owing to the recent developments in the city, the people have become more cosmopolitan in their outlook" - What recent developments are you referring to? The way it is phrased it makes it sound like you are talking about specific events (if so then give examples) instead of something like "owing to the recent economic progress, the people...". --Blacksun 17:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Over-wikified?

In seeing the number of red links suddenly being turned blue (a bunch of articles on the new page list initially got me here), I wonder if this article has now become over-wikified. There are a lot of links to non-notable places, companies, schools, and the like.

In my opinion, the solution here is to remove some of this from the original article, and delete the non-notable places. Some of these companies are probably notable within India, and some of places linked are probably notable at least within the city. But many of them just aren't notable... no non-resident of my hometown or surrounding area is going to care about the names of my local high schools.

I would suggest comparing articles on similar-sized cities; I suggest Columbus (Ohio) because I happen to live in the vicinity. Many notable (Fortune 500 or otherwise well-known) companies are listed, sports teams, and the like, but not minor geography--and even some of the larger geography in there (individual neighborhoods?) is questionable.

Thoughts from other 'pedians? --ES2 15:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed,. If the things mentioned are really notable, they deserve individual articles which are not just one-liners. They may be stubs, of course. If just one line is mentionable about something, that better not be in the main article either.
Advise: Deepu, you take time. Just do not go on a spree to turn red links blue. Create substantial stubs, just not for the sake of turning them blue. If necessary, let them remain red for a while. Or you may remove non-notable things. In fact, it has been suggested already in the review to consider decreasing the names of so many institutions etc. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is great

This article became great!!! As you know most of the article relate to Ernakulam district and Ernakulam town, please make changes to these articles like "Kochi".

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