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Si Una Vez

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I've listed this article for peer review because I have turned this stub article into a B-Class and would like it to be a GA article

Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this and all the Selena articles. Sorry to be slow in reviewing this, here are some suggestions for improvement.

A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. One FA on a song is 4 Minutes (Madonna song) - I note that the first sentence in that FA mentions the album the song was part of (which is not mentioned here until the second sentence). See Category:FA-Class song articles for all the song FAs.
As with the other Selena song article I peer reviewed, the biggest problem is the language. I would suggest getting a copy edit either from a member of WP:GOCE or from one of the volunteers listed under copyediting at WP:PR/V
The article is very short - one of the GA criteria is that the article is broad in its coverage - see WP:WIAGA. Although the language is a problem, this could well be a an issue at GAN too.
As one example of this lack of coverage, the "Background and composition" section really does not give much background and only has two sentences on composition, one of which is pretty much the info you could find from the album credits (who wrote it).
There is also material in the "Background and composition" section on the performance history and themes. While this material is good and should be included in the article, it doesn't really fit in a background and composition section (since it is neither).
Similarly, the Critical reception and chart performance section starts with what a band that covered the song, which does not seem like a regular critic. Should the first paragraph be in the covers section instead?
Once again, the COvers section lists a large number of bands, most of which are red links. While there is no problem with a red link, and I do not doubt that these are real groups and albums and covers, is there any sort of notability standard for covers? Does the band have to notable to be listed for its cover? I just wonder if all the covers listed here are notable / should be included.
The Covers section is followed by the Release history section - this was confusing as I think that Release history was for the original Selena resease and not any of the covers.
Current ref 36 is broken
Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked over the mentioned article and researched more information behind the song from a book and the 20 Years of Music collection series.

I also fixed the lead per WP:Lead

I also expanded the article further by adding a section and splitting up a section, which I added more content in.

The covers are all covered by different artists and are cover versions of Si Una Vez. I took my time, before adding the table, to search for cover versions. If you feel as though they aren't covers please view them (at the bottom) where the source is. However, I did went over each one carefully to make sure that they are indeed covers.

I didn't find any broken references, but I did added a few more.

I placed Release history above the Covers section.

I've been asking people to copy-edit articles I have expanded, but not even one editor has replied nor commented on any article, that I have asked for. There was one editor who fixed prose errors on Dreaming of You (album), without me asking him/her to do it. I don't feel like wasting my time to go on those provided links to ask people who really aren't willing to help out, but to just have their names associated with that group. I also don't work well with others anyways, I prefer to work alone and get advice.

If there is anything else I can or need to do, please address so. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quick replies

My suggestion was to follow the model article and include the album (Amor prohibido) the single is from in the first sentence in the lead. I just checked and that has not been done.
Make sure to provide context to the reader - Quintanilla III (sp?) is Selena's brother, but the article does not state that (or his relation to her) that I can see. I am sure Selena fans already know this, but the average reader probably does not know it. See WP:PCR
Thanks for the link, I understand what a cover is. My point about the covers is that I am not sure that all of them meet notability to be included in this article. For example, articles about a town will list notable residents, but not all residents. As another example, there are many books and records for sale on Amazon.com which do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. So just finding something listed on Amazon (which is also used as the source for almost all the covers) does not necessarily mean it is notable for inclusion in an article. There are about 25 covers listed but only 5 of them (20%) are from artists which are not red links. To me that means it is likely that many of the artists / bands who have recorded covers might not be notable, and if the artists are not notable, then I doubt that their covers are. I have asked about this on the WikiProject Songs talk page - seeWikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs#What_makes_cover_versions_notable_.28worth_including_in_an_article.29.3F
I do a lot of peer reviews and do not have time to copyedit - sorry. I am also sorry that you have not had better luck asking people. Unfortuately there are so many grammar and other language problems with this and the other article I peer reviewed that I do not see either passing WP:GAN without a copyedit. I also know it is difficult for me (asm I assume for most people) to see all the errors in my own writing as it becomes too familiar and I know what I was trying to say, even if I am not saying it as clearly as possible.

Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not understand what your trying to say? It says in the article that Si Una Vez is the fifth single released from Amor Prohibido.

I didn't mean to say that you don't know what a "cover version" is - however, I was trying to tell you that I carefully went over each of the covers to make sure they are indeed the same version as Selena.

I understand that you can't, I can try and ask my ex-mentor to help me out, if he's not too busy this week. AJona1992 (talk) 02:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]