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October 5

Emilio Estevez

Why din't he use the name "sheen"? It could be Eric Sheen or something anglicized. Sportsnut24 (talk) 02:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the last paragraph of Emilio Estevez#Early life. Rojomoke (talk) 06:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet charlie/carlos din't. Weird.

Also he's from europe originally? thought they were hispanic from mexico or something.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I wanna know is: How come he and everyone else says his name ɛˈstɛvəs/, with the accent on the first syllable, when his father's legal name is Estévez, which has the accent on the second? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People can pronounce their name however they choose. Ramón Estévez (aka 'Martin Sheen'), though born in the USA, was raised by his immigrant Spanish father Francisco Estévez (not the person of that name who has a Wikipedia article), so may have grown up using a European pronunciation. Emilio was one generation further on in US residence, so may have been more comfortable with (or merely gave in to) a pronunciation more common in the Americas.

This is of course speculation: perhaps the answer is buried in one of the many references used in their articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 18:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how he himself or others pronounce the name, but our article on this person renders the pronunciation in the International Phonetic Alphabet as /ɛˈmɪlioʊ ɛˈstɛvəs/, in which both the given name and the surname have the stress on the second syllable. --Lambiam 19:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, my bad for misreading the IPA hieroglyphics. Yes, you're right, that's what it says. But every time I've ever heard his name spoken, it's always been stressed on the first syllable, like Esteban. So our guidance seems to be contra the way it's actually spoken out there in Real Life Land. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do English speaker pronounce "Esteban" stressed on the first? Influenced by István?

--Error (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esteban mentions with no reference.

--Error (talk) 23:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've often heard it as ES-te-ban, as with Gloria Estefan mispronounced as ES-te-fan. If Spanish didn't have that leading "e" in front of many of its s-plus-another-consonant words (such as España), then we would get it right: es-TE-ban, as with STEVE-en or STEPH-en. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the leading e should be called the misleading e. :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some comments by Emilio:[1] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, to answer Jack of Oz's question, it should be accented on the second syllable, and it's Anglos who get it wrong. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 00:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. I'll be sure to say his name correctly the next time I have occasion to do so, which, going on my strike rate thus far, is looking very unlikely. But one never knows: I may just say it as a random aside in some otherwise unrelated conversation, in order to ensure that I gain full value from this exchange. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're from europe? I thought the Americas forever.Sportsnut24 (talk) 18:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Their ancestors were from Europe. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of their ancestors; only Martin Sheen's parents were from Europe: Ireland and Spain. (If you go back far enough, their ancestors were from Africa.) --Lambiam 14:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you go back far enough, everyone's ancestors were from Africa. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]