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This appears to be related to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliske However, I'm not able to read German any better than Polish. The relationship between the terms "Chabno", "Mogilne", "Polis'ke", "Polesskoye" needs to be explained in the English article. Miqrogroove 19:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Regarding the move from Chabno to Khabno, I would like to point an historical use of the name in English, spelled "Chabno". This was seen at http://www.ellisisland.org/cgi-bin/tif2gif.exe?T=\\192.168.4.227\images\t715-1936\t715-19360446.tif&S=1 on line 3 column 29. As you can see, my decision to use this spelling was not arbitrary. I would like the person who changed the name of this article to support that decision with some evidence as well. Miqrogroove 00:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ukrainian names (geographic and personal) are romanized using this romanization guideline. Using uniform romanization scheme greatly improves consistency. "Chabno", strictly speaking, is not incorrect but since numerous romanization schemes exist, and only one can be used in titles, we needed to choose one. As for the historical names, I will look into this and make corrections if necessary. Please let me know if you need further clarifications. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 01:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
To clarify the context of my reasearch, here is a histogram of city name search results in the Ellis Island database:
| Search Term | Results |
|---|---|
| Chabna | 15 |
| Chabne | 40 |
| Chabno | 77 |
| Habna | 0 |
| Habne | 13 |
| Habno | 0 |
| Khabna | 0 |
| Khabne | 0 |
| Khabno | 0 |
Miqrogroove 02:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Cross-posted from User talk:Miqrogroove and User talk:Ezhiki:
- ...My point was that immigration records, while undoubtedly important, are not a good source in this particular case. What they show is that, at some point of time, a certain government agency preferred a certain spelling; it does not prove that their spelling choice was a "common English name" (only a dictionary entry or some other reference material can prove that). Since the place in question still exists, we should be using the conventions which are in use at present time. While, of course, there is no mandated romanization system in English-speaking countries, BGN/PCGN romanization is a de facto standard, and it is available for the Ukrainian language. Wikipedia's WP:UKR is based upon that BGN/PCGN convention, which was chosen precisely because it is the most common.
- That said, I don't see a reason why both "Khabno" and "Chabno" should not both be mentioned in the article's lead. The article's title, however, should not be changed as per WP:UKR.
- Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The place in question still exists? According to this article, the name Chabno hasn't been used in over 70 years. That makes the convention used by Ellis Island more relevant, does it not? Miqrogroove 17:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, that's what the article currently says, "Khabno is an urban-type settlement in Kiev Oblast". I could not find it in the list of Ukrainian urban-type settlements (under any of the names), which is why I requested citation, but my assumption was that it is probably a village. I don't, however, know if it still exists; I have just taken the article's statement at face value. In any case, if the place exists, its title should be its modern name (Poliske?), with "Chabno"/"Khabno"/etc. being redirects. If the place no longer exists, its title should be its last name (again, Poliske?).
- Anyway, you might want to bring this to the attention of Ukrainian editors (here). I don't really have interest in this article; I merely tried to bring the article's title into compliance with existing guidelines.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree, one of the modern names would be appropriate for the title. Miqrogroove 17:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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