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This WP:WSS subpage is for discoveries of stub templates not cleared by WikiProject Stub sorting which have been encountered on Wikipedia. Stubs that have been put on the official stub type list without discussion on this page or /Proposals should be listed here as well. If you discover such a stub type, please list it at the top of this page along with any relevant details. Do not enter it on the stub type list until it has been discussed here to determine whether it should be kept or proposed for deletion at stub types for deletion.



To check whether a stub type has been discussed in the past, click on either the template or category link and select "What links here" from the toolbox on the left (set it to find only items in the Wikipedia space). Find the link to a WikiProject Stub sorting page such as Deletion or Proposals to see if there has been any discussion on this type previously. Checking the template or category's history link may also indicate whether the stub type is p[art of a larger group discussion at WP:WSS/P. Note: If possible, check both the template and the category, in case one has been discussed but not the other.

If the stub category or template has not been proposed, and is not clearly an inappropriate or deletable type, list it here under a separate heading at the top of the list for the month of discovery. Please also consider notifying the creator of the stub type by subst'ing {{wssdnotify}} on their user talk page.

If a stub type is of a clearly inappropriate or deletable type, it may be taken straight to WP:SFD. Again, in this case, the creator of the stub type should be notified, this time by substing {{sfdnotify1}} (for one stub type) or {{sfdnotify2}} (for more than one stub type) onto their user talk page.

August 2012[edit]

Writer stubs by nation[edit]

Discovered when updating the stubs list for writers that there are several unproposed templates and categories in use. All seem useful and properly named, and would be speediable if proposed fresh:

Anyone have a problem with adding these to the official list? --Qetuth (talk) 11:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Found more of the same in Europe:

All upmerged templates with 10-50 translusions each. --Qetuth (talk) 12:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

July 2012[edit]

Camping stubs[edit]

Was alerted to this when I looked at Category:Stubs and found Category:Camping stubs listed as a subcategory. (Have now removed the "parent category", so it doesn't show up for everyone else stub-sorting, and added a topic parent cat and a stub parent cat). There's a template {{Camping-stub}} and a category and no evidence of either being discussed here.PamD 07:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I was editing camping-related articles and noticed that there wasn't a camping stub available to tag stub articles with, so I created one and the (initial) category page. Thanks to User:PamD for further organizing it as a subcategory of Category:Camping. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
But I only added them as a temporary measure while the stub type/cat waited for proper consideration. PamD 07:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
The template seems like a good idea to me! Usually though we wouldn't have a category for so few stubs unless it is the parent of a tree or the main type for another project. I'd recommend having it upmerge to Category:Outdoor recreation stubs which itself is quite small. --Qetuth (talk) 11:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Filipino long-distance runner stubs[edit]

Have found Category:Filipino long-distance runner stubs and associated {{Philippines-long-distance runner-bio-stub}}. There is only one article so tagged, and to my mind, there is limited scope for expansion: consider that {{Philippines-athletics-bio-stub}} (which upmerges to Category:Asian athletics biography stubs and Category:Filipino sportspeople stubs) has been placed on just 11 articles, so is hardly in need of subdivision. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree these should be deleted. {{Philippines-athletics-bio-stub}} should be fine for these. If the template is kept, it should be renamed to {{Phillippenes-longdistance-athletics-bio-stub}} to match existing templates. --Qetuth (talk) 11:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Try {{Philippines-longdistance-athletics-bio-stub}}, if it gets kept. I'd suggest that first we might try double-tagging with {{Philippines-athletics-bio-stub}} and a generic {{longdistance-athletics-bio-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 01:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sabah stubs[edit]

{{Sabah-stub}} and Category:Sabah stubs were created without proposal, and added to a handful of articles - all of these appear to either not be stubs or already have {{sabah-geo-stub}}. Don't see a reason to keep this, but also not sure what's going on with it on hold until the templates are sorted out? --Qetuth (talk) 15:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Kaiser Wilhelm II Land geography stubs[edit]

Have found Category:Kaiser Wilhelm II Land geography stubs as a sub-cat of Category:Antarctica geography stubs. The sole member of that cat is Kaiser Wilhelm II Land which is only in the cat by being placed there directly. The matching stub template {{KaiserWilhelmIILand-geo-stub}} upmerges to Category:Antarctica geography stubs but has nowhere near sufficient transclusions (12 at present) to justify a separate cat. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

May 2012[edit]

{{Multi-star-stub}} and {{Star-system-stub}}[edit]

{{Multi-star-stub}} and {{Star-system-stub}} are two templates, placed in the same category, with identical descriptions. This category holds about 500 pages, so a reasonable split is not mandatory, but wouldn't hurt. Still, this could use some expert help at least on establishing the proper wording for each template. Dawynn (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

April 2012[edit]

Iranian editor subs[edit]

Have found Category:Iranian editor subs as a sub-cat of both Category:Iranian writer stubs and Category:Editor stubs. Believe that it should have been Category:Iranian editor stubs. There does not appear to be a matching stub template. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Appears to be one missed at Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2011/June#Premature_Iran_categories. No template, no permcat, not all the articles included are stubs, and certainly not enough articles. I suggest either deleting or making it the permcat (ie, Category:Iranian editors). --Qetuth (talk) 16:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
No complaints, I'll move it to Category:Iranian editors...--Qetuth (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

March 2012[edit]

Denmark-music-stub, test case for bigger music problem?[edit]

{{Denmark-music-stub}} appears unproposed, and has over 60 transclusions. Currently upmerges to both Category:Music stubs and Category:Denmark stubs. It mostly consists of albums and songs with a few other odds and ends. So it appears we could create Category:Danish music stubs to match existing categories such as Category:Japan music stubs.

There seems to be no consistency at the moment though with how countries are treated in the music stubs section. Some of the fooian music stubs categories are mostly used for songs and yet are not part of the Category:Song stubs tree. They also collect up the subcategories scattered among Category:Music biography stubs. Category:Canadian music stubs is a parent only category for the bio stubs. On the other hand, countries like Australia, UK, and US have no such category so their stub categories are unrelated, in some cases only sharing a parent all the way back at Category:Music stubs.

I think we should either start a 'Songs by country' and 'Albums by country' sorting, or otherwise start moving songs back into the songs by year/genre categories, for consistency. Albums by country might help the overpopulation in the albums. And seeing how hard it is to navigate between, for example, Category:Australian guitarist stubs, Category:Australian musical group stubs, Category:Australian record label stubs makes me think at the very least the parent only categories are needed. --Qetuth (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

January 2012[edit]

English law stubs[edit]

{{England-law-stub}} was created out of process by Mais oui! (talk · contribs) who seems to unilaterally create stubs categories an awful lot and may need to be warned about this. This one seems ok in numerical terms but it should be "England and Wales law stub" not "England law stub". Tim! (talk) 07:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

As the permcat is at Category:English law, Category:English law stubs is logical and the template name is logical too. I don't see a problem with this stub type, but I wish it had been proposed properly! Perhaps {{Wales-law-stub}} would be an acceptable redirect, if anyone feels it is needed. SeveroTC 09:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Sports Car Racing stub[edit]

{{Sports Car Racing stub}} was created out of process, is misnamed, and populates an inappropriate category, i.e. Category:Stub-Class Sports Car Racing articles, which is a category for talk pages. I am pretty sure that this template is redundant to {{Motorsport-stub}}, which populates Category:Auto racing stubs. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe the category is redundant. No more redundant than {{F1-stub}} is to {{Motorsport-stub}}. --Sabre ball t c 22:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I didn't say that the category is redundant. Category:Stub-Class Sports Car Racing articles is definitely not redundant, because it is part of the article assessment scheme and is intended to contain talk pages, and so is being misused here.
I said that Template:Sports Car Racing stub is redundant. Given that sports car racing is a subset of motor sport, is it a significant subset? That is, is it possible that there are more than 60 articles which are stubs, and which cover sports car racing? See Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals#Proposing new stub types - procedure. {{F1-stub}} is transcluded by well over 250 pages, so has justification for its existence. There are presently 23 articles transcluding {{Sports Car Racing stub}} - can another 37 suitable candidates be found? If not, there is little purpose to {{Sports Car Racing stub}}, even if it were correctly set up. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I will point out that a discussion had already started about an appropriate template for this topic. See here. Since we have a separate permanent category (Category:Sports car racing), I don't see why the template would be redundant. I agree that the existing template is malformed, but I support building a template based on the results of the discussion on the proposal page. Dawynn (talk) 13:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I note that the discussion was started on 11 January 2012, and that the template was created on 19 January by the same person who started the discussion, even though the discussion was still open. Fait accompli. Why do we even bother having WP:WSS/P if people feel that they can drive straight through? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I have no objection to renaming the template. --Sabre ball t c 13:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
It's not fair to call out {{Sports Car Racing stub}} for only having been transcluded 23 times. It's barely even a week old. If you check the category its places articles in, there are over 80 articles that could have that template placed on the page its just not there yet. --Sabre ball t c 21:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I have turned this template into a redirect. Created the template name that had been discussed on the proposal page. Please use the new template name ({{sportscar-autoracing-stub}}) Dawynn (talk) 10:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Kupres, Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]

I recently built {{Kupres-geo-stub}} for the municipality in Republika Srpska. This template name was approved back in April 2011. In the midst of building this template, I found that there are two separate municipalities, both of which are in Bosnia and Herzegovina:

  1. Kupres, Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
  2. Kupres, Republika Srpska

Normally, when we have such instances between two countries, we add a country code to the template to differentiate. But what is the proper nomenclature in this situation, where the two municipalities are within the same country? Dawynn (talk) 17:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

R&B song stub templates[edit]

Yes, both versions have been built for the last 5 decades. The {{R&B-9999s-song-stub}} versions were approved here. The other versions have not been approved, but all the articles have been tagged with the non-approved versions. I'm OK with keeping one set, and changing the other set to redirects, but would like some guidance as to which should be preferred. Dawynn (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Use 9999s-R&B-song-stub, for consistency with 9999s-country-song-stub, 9999s-rock-song-stub, 9999s-pop-song-stub. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Gastropod family templates[edit]

Found the following. I see no issue with keeping these.

Dawynn (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

December 2011[edit]

Split of Category:Sumatra geography stubs[edit]

Asking for approval of templates splitting Sumatra into its 10 administrative regions.

Dawynn (talk) 02:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Split of Category:Indiana geography stubs[edit]

Indiana's story is similar to Illinois. Formally request asking approval for the Indiana templates already created by county. Templates names follow this pattern: Template:FooIN-geo-stub. Dawynn (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Split of Category:Illinois geography stubs[edit]

I can find references to approvals for some of the various regional Illinois geography splits. However, I do not see a request for a split by county. So, here is a formal request asking for approval for the Illinois templates already created by county. Templates names follow this pattern: Template:FooIL-geo-stub. Dawynn (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Various Afghanistan templates[edit]

From the list of templates to vet:

I don't see requests for any of these, but I don't see any problem with them either. Propose keeping all. Dawynn (talk) 12:35, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

{{Gloucestershire-geo-stub}} / {{GloucesterShire-geo-stub}}[edit]

Yes, these two are identically named, with the exception of the capital 'S'. While Wikipedia can handle this just fine, I would think this could easily cause confusion for editors. Propose renaming the second one to {{GloucesterShireAU-geo-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 11:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Since I'm requesting a rename, I'm moving this to the Delete log for discussion. Dawynn (talk) 02:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


I had no idea that there was a process of getting permission to create a stub group. I created a stub today called Siege of Newcastle and as a siege is either not a battle or a type of battle (depends on ones PoV) I decided to create a {{siege-stub}} and a category:Siege stubs as sub category to category:battle stubs. I have since moved all the articles that start with the word Siege and had a {{battle-stub}} template into the category. If there is a consensus not to keep the stub or the category, let me know and I'll move the score of articles back into the battle-stub category. -- PBS (talk) 03:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't seem a bad idea. Quite small at the moment (24 articles) but a look at how many siege articles are already stub-tagged ([1]) suggests that with a bit of sorting there shouldn't be a problem in taking it through threshold. SeveroTC 11:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

November 2011[edit]

Anthozoa stubs and Medusozoa stubs[edit]

As mentioned on the proposals page I created these two stub categories with the intention of breaking up the overly broad Cnidarian stub category. This is my post-facto reporting of this action. bondolo (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Basque stubs[edit]

As we already have similar categories for Catalonia, I don't see a problem with the creation of these, but the naming and scope needs to be thought about. In terms of scope, are we going for the modern Basque Country (autonomous community) or Basque Country (greater region) (it seems the creator scoped as the latter, but usual convention is to scope by the former). The naming issues is that we should use BasqueCountry- in the template name and Category:Basque stubs should be at Category:Basque Country stubs. SeveroTC 10:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

In terms of your scope query, we already have:
... which encompasses another country with a border running through it. --Mais oui! (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Point of information, I have identified approx 700 Basque-related article stubs that are neither geographical nor biographical (the 2 subcats), and I haven't really been trying all that hard. I'd geusstimate that there are up to 2000 stub articles to be sorted into the main cat, and hundreds more to be sorted into the 2 subcats. --Mais oui! (talk) 11:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

As we already have all of these:

  • Asturias stubs‎ (1 C, 83 P)
  • Balearic Islands stubs‎ (113 P)
  • Brittany stubs‎ (1 C, 37 P)
  • Canary Islands stubs‎ (1 C, 62 P)
  • Cantabria stubs‎ (96 P)
  • Catalonia stubs‎ (3 C, 329 P)
  • Galicia stubs‎ (1 C, 135 P)
  • Plazas de soberanía stubs‎ (60 P)
  • Valencia stubs‎ (58 P)

... the omission of the Basque Country was fairly shocking. In fact, for someone used to editing Scottish, English and Irish articles, I have to say that the Spanish category system (including stubs) is pretty dire. A direness only exceeded by the poor quality of many articles and the thousands of redlinks. --Mais oui! (talk) 11:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, quite, but as I wrote, "I don't see a problem with the creation of these, but the naming and scope needs to be thought about". As I said, I think they should be scoped only to the current autonomous community, the naming of the templates should be BasqueCountry- and of the main category, Basque Country stubs. If there are gaps in the structure and there are enough articles to support templates/categories, it's not really an issue to create them, but the proposals system is there to iron out any problems before implementation. SeveroTC 11:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

September 2011[edit]


Unproposed. well-formed (well, it is now that I've removed the redlink cat and upmerged it), but unused and - frankly - of limited benefit. We only have around 90 rowing-bio-stubs that aren't in national cats, and of those 90 only one is from Brazil. What's more, Category:Brazilian rowers contains only one article (the same one). I note that a lot of nation-rowing-bio-stub names are simply used as redirects to {{rowing-bio-stub}} (an unusual method for WSS, but still...). Perhaps the same should be done here? Grutness...wha? 03:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

{{Ballet-stub}} / Category:Ballet stubs/{{Ballet-bio-stub}} / Category:Ballet biographical stubs[edit]

There seems to have been some moving around of stub types without consultation in the ballet area, with two new stub types created, one of which is essentially a duplicate of a previous approved type. A new biographical category and template have been created (probably a good move, considering the number of articles), but the problem is with the new {{ballet-stub}}. Rather than requesting a move of the former {{Ballet-dance-stub}} to a new name and new category via WP:SFD, a brand new template and category have been created, leaving the old template to languish unused in a category which is now a soft-redirect (no stub categories are ever soft redirects, owing to the nature of their usage). I'd consider the new names as better to the old ones, but the question is whether to do what should have been done at the time (if it were approved), and simply redirect the old template? The new category is also undersized and only saved from upmerging by the fact that it has a viable subcategory, so any split out of the companies would be premature, to say the least, yet the moment the new "ballet-stub" marks a lot of things which ballets - they're ballet companies. In fact, it was because of the possible confusion between ballet per se and individual ballets that was the reason for having the template and category at its original name. Best option for now would probably be to redirect the old template to the new, delete the old category, and cope with the confusion until the new category is big enough to consider splitting. Grutness...wha? 01:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

August 2011[edit]

{{Horaiclavidae-stub}} / Category:Horaiclavidae stubs[edit]

Unproposed template for a single family of sea molluscs - we don't even have a template yet for the superfamily this is part of, and the respective clade categories are far from overfull. What's more, there are only three articles for members of this family. The category's severely premature, in other words, and isn't anywhere near threshold, and I doubt we have much need for the template either... At the very least it'll need upmerging to Category:Hypsogastropoda stubs Grutness...wha? 08:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

This new family meets criteria for stubs as well for practical use within the Project Gastropods. There are enough articles (certainly over 60, which are stubs) for it already existing in wikipedia. (You can also read Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods/Archive 4#Split of Category:Turridae stubs just for inspiration of further fruitful cooperation between Wikiprojects.) --Snek01 (talk) 14:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Question is, why that wasn't proposed at WP:WSS/P, given that that's where all stub-related discussion is done (not doing so hardly shows a spirit of "fruitful cooperation"!) FWIW, if there had been a proposal, a note would have been left with your WikiProject in order to get input on how it should proceed, as wel as with any other related WikiProjects. That was exactly what happened in the case you point out - a split was formally proposed, and only did not proceed due to input from your project. As such, it shows a good spirit of cooperation that was lacking in your creation of this latest stub type. In this instance there's seems little point in splitting out a separate family until splits of the superfamilies have been completed, as would have no doubt been suggested if this had been proposed properly. And it's worth noting that separate stub types for gastropods aren't primarily for the purposes of use "practical use within WP Gastropods" - they're primarily for use among all editors across the whole of wikipedia, which is why the stub vetting process takes place in the first place (individual subject WikiProjects use banner assessment templates for that purpose, since they're interested, presumably, in all articles covered by their projects, not just stubs). I'd suggest you read both Wikipedia:stub and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Article tagging for information about how stub types are organised, why they are centrally coordinated, and why assessment banners are often more practical. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


Unproposed, and with a redlinked category (just as well, since the category would need to be renamed if it existed...). At first glance this seems a fairly sensible stub type, but since we generally divide films by decade and genre as the first two splits, and since such a high proportion of the film stubs would theoretically be US films, it may not be such a sensible move after all. Thoughts anyone? Grutness...wha? 11:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

July 2011[edit]

{{Pakistan-rail-stub}} / Category:Pakistan rail stubs[edit]

Unproposed stub type (presumably by a new WikiProject). Template is a reasonable idea, though it needs pretty drastic clean-up (it links to both a WikiProject and a permcat). Unfortunately, it's also linked to a stub cat,. despite there being no evidence that it will meet the required threshold. I've cleaned up the template, but it may need to be upmerged. Grutness...wha? 02:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Worse than I thought. The permcat is a substantial duplicate of a tree of categories already in use, so I'm taking that to CFD as well! Grutness...wha? 02:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

{{Netherlands-PvdA-politician-stub}} / Category:Labour Party (Netherlands) politician stubs[edit]

Unproposed, recently created. While in principle it seems like a reasonable idea, the fact that the article and permcat (and stubcat) use "Labour Party (Netherlands)" as their name suggests the template probably should have been at {{Netherlands-Labour-politician-stub}}. Also, the category's pretty thin at only a little over half the threshold (39 stubs), so it may need to be upmerged unless a further 21-odd stubs can be found. Grutness...wha? 01:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Given that we use -VVD- for one of the templates that did go through the proposal process, the template name's perhaps not a problem. The category size is, though. Grutness...wha? 01:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
At the moment the category contains 93 stubs. Wikix (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
In that case, that'smore than enough - but please propose any new stub types first next time! Grutness...wha? 00:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


Unproposed, but thankfully, it's upmerged. Seems well-formed and looks like a reasonable subject area - may be a useful addition to the canon of philosophy stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


Unproposed, seems well-rformed, but is it needed? Rock music is already divided up with a large number of different stub templates, I doubt we have need for a general overall rock music template. Grutness...wha? 12:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me? Is "unproposed" even a word? How dare you jump to conclusions about these things. If you had bothered to read the proposals, you would indeed see that your corruption, and unconstitutional behavior has resulted in this. There is a proposal thank you. Puffin Let's talk! 12:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
You're excused. Yes, of course unproposed is a word. It means not proposed. Ah - yes, my apologies, this was proposed - for some reason the proposal was placed at the bottom of the proposal page most of the way through the month (rather than at the top), which is why I didn't notice it - otherwise I'd have commented at the time. "Corruption"? "Unconstitutional behaviour"? You're joking, right? Grutness...wha? 13:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


Unproposed, and probably a good idea, though it would be better upmerged to the overall Category:European ice hockey biography stubs rather than - as it is at the moment - to Category:Swedish ice hockey biography stubs. AFAIK Sweden and Slovenia haven't been politically linked since the days of the Kievian Rus, if then... :) Grutness...wha? 12:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Not alot of Slovenian players out there. I would probably upmerge to the European ice hockey biography stubs. But I am not against it at all. -DJSasso (talk) 13:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
According to Category:Slovenian ice hockey players, at least 31 Slovenian ice hockey players have biographical articles on this Wikipedia. Is that considered enough for a stub template? Also, regarding the category, that was an accident; I forgot to change "Swedish" to "European", so thanks DJSasso for fixing that. :) HeyMid (contribs) 14:35, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
31's plenty for a template. Basically, if it looks possible that there'll eventually be enough for a category (60), then a template makes sense. Grutness...wha? 01:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

June 2011[edit]

{{Pakistan-cuisine-stub}} / Category:Pakistani cuisine stubs[edit]

Another unproposed creation - the template looks quite useful, but unless the category can be brought up to threshold it may need to be upmerged into Category:Pakistan stubs and Category:Cuisine stubs Grutness...wha? 03:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment You need to wait, because I created this very recently and it will therefore take time to fill up. I am in the process of applying it. As for the usefulness of this stub template, there's no doubt about that. One just needs to have a look at Category:Pakistani cuisine to see how big it is the number of stubs it contains. Thats why I created this in the first place. Mar4d (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • The reason it's listed here rather than being taken straight to SFD for upmerging is that I think there's a reasonable chance it could reach the threshold, but the usual procedure is to ensure there are enough stubs first - which is why the proposal process page is there. I've no doubt the template will be useful, even in upmerged form - it's just a question of whether it can get to the 60-stub mark or not. Just because Category:Pakistani cuisine has a lot of articles doesn't necessarily mean that a lot of them are stubs (in fact, most of them seem to be well beyond stub length). Grutness...wha? 09:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay, after a bit of work I've managed to get it past threshold (not by a lot - there were only around 70 in total, but it's there). In future, please propose new stub templates and categories before making them, though! Grutness...wha? 10:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Greek military personnel stubs[edit]

Recent unproposed cration for the previously upmerged template {{Greece-mil-bio-stub}} - a template which has existed for over two years without yet getting close to threshold. Creator handily added the WSS-cat template to the top of his new creation (the one which tells editors not to create new categories without proposing them - sigh). If it cannot be quickly populated it may need re-upmerging. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

{{Greece-mil-stub}} / Category:Greek military stubs[edit]

Same user as above has also created this new stub type, which may well face the same problems of reaching the 60-stub threshold. Template seems reasonable, but may need upmerging. Grutness...wha? 01:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

May 2011[edit]

{{Epistemology-stub}}/Category:Epistemology stubs[edit]

The idea for a template seems reasonable, but it may well need to be upmerged. If there are enough stubs for a viable separate category it at least needs some parent stubcats (Category:Philosophy stubs, perhaps?) Grutness...wha? 07:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I made the template because it was on the todo list at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Philosophy/Epistemology#Things_to_do. There are many stubs at Category:Stub-Class_epistemology_articles. InverseHypercube 07:30, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Stub-Class assessment and stub types are completely different things. Stub-Class is an assessment based on the banner template of a WikiProject (e.g., WP Philosophy), and for use by that specific project. Stub types are for use across the whole of Wikipedia and are based on the specific size and type guidelines, as explained at WP:Stub (there's a section of WP:Stub explaining why one is used by wikiprojects and one is more general). This is also why there's a specific project (WikiProject Stub sorting) which tries to coordinate and vet stub templates and categories (again, as explained at WP:Stub). There also seems to be nothing in that to-do list (or its history) to suggest that making new stub categories or templates is part of WP PHIL's current projects (expanding existing stub articles, yes; creating new stub templates and categories, no). Grutness...wha? 08:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Sorry for the misunderstanding. InverseHypercube 08:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Easy mistake to make - It would've been far better if the assessment schemes hadn't used the word "stub" when they first started up. In any case, as I said at the top, the template seems like a reasonable idea, though unless there are a large number of stubs (the usual split is 60) it should probably be upmerged until such time as there are that number. Grutness...wha? 12:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Without delving very deeply into the topic, I brought this out of the underpopulated list. Someone with more interest in the topic could probably tag several more articles. Dawynn (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

April 2011[edit]

{{Potato-stub}}/Category:Potato stubs[edit]

Created in December 2010 by Nono64, populated by approximately 22 articles. It is a recreation of of a previously deleted stub and category (Discussion is here). --Jeremy (blah blahI did it!) 05:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

{{Goose-stub}} / {{Swan-stub}}[edit]

Unused stub templates with no request for these indicated; supereseded by Template:Anseriformes-stub. There was also a previous STFD on this template, which only addressed the naming conventions for the page instead of its being official or preferential to its parent above. Not really sure whether to propose these for deletion. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 09:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

March 2011[edit]

Category:Espionage stubs[edit]

Another one that I haven't explored to see whether to keep or delete. But where to classify? Dawynn (talk) 12:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Category:Homelessness stubs[edit]

Still reviewing this one. It looks like we can pull several articles from the permcat (Category:Homelessness). Anyone have any suggestions as to where to classify this category? Dawynn (talk) 12:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

February 2011[edit]


Propose Delete. Unused. Malformed. Never requested. Dawynn (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, you know where to propose deletion... :) Grutness...wha? 09:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


I was optimistic when I wrote the other day that we had a few months to discuss this one and work out with WP:Sudan what stub types were needed for Southern Sudan - this one has arrived unproposed already. I've tidied it up (it had a redlinked category and an incorrect, space-laden name), and upmerged it to Sudan stubs for now. There's not really much point in having a separate template yet since we don't know yet what the new country will be called (there have been several suggestions, and I don't want to suddenly find in July that we've got to move a bunch of SouthernSudan-foo-stub templates to Jubaland-foo-stub). This one can probably stay upmerged for now (no point really in deleting then re-creating in July), but a moratorium on other stub types until there's been some discussion about them (as there's supposed to be, of course) would probably be a good thing! Grutness...wha? 09:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It took that long!, I seem to remember Kosovo popping up every couple of weeks for about a year before it declared independence. I agree in keeping this as the one and only template for SouthernSudan till they sort themselves out. Waacstats (talk) 13:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
At the moment it looks likely that the country's new name will end up being South Sudan - we'll have to keep an eye out for variant names in templates... Grutness...wha? 22:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

{{Normandy-stub}} / Category:Normandy stubs and {{Brittany-stub}} / Category:Brittany stubs[edit]

Newly acquired without proposal; seem reasonably well-formed and potentially useful, though the inclusion of Category:Channel Islands stubs in the former category is somewhat controversial, to say the least (given that we use modern regional/national boundaries for stub types), as is their parenting directly by Category:Europe stubs rather than Category:France stubs. Currently pretty sparsely populated - would need upmerging if not more effectively populated/populable. Grutness...wha? 03:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Both seem reasonable, will try and see if I can populate them abit more over the weekend otherwise upmerge and remove the channel island stubs. Waacstats (talk) 13:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Togo Stubs[edit]

Found an odd situation in Approved Geography Stubs to be created, Togo geography stubs. The parent category has one subcategory at Kara Region geography stubs. The parent has 90 some stubs and the subcategory has 600 some. There are six upmerged templates for the Kara category listed, looks reasonable for 600 stubs. However, from the parent there are three other categories with four to nine upmerge templates also listed as approved. Archived discussion is a little ambiguous. I was thinking to remove the three additional categories and stubtypes from the approved list, since splitting 90 stubs into three categories / 20 upmerged templates makes little sense. Comments? Aelfthrytha (talk) 22:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Any idea whethr all the stubs in the Kara cat are genuinely for places there? It maybe that there's been some mis-stubbing. Or it's possible that someone/bot's been making lots of stub articles, and the other proposals will get populated very soon. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
All of the stubs in the Kara category are for places in Kara, per random sampling. All of the stubs there were created in May '08, too. The proposal at that time said someone created a crazy amount of Kara stubs, but none for any of the other regions. Aelfthrytha (talk) 02:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyone? Help?? Aelfthrytha (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

January 2011[edit]

Category:Public art stubs and {{Public-art-stub}}[edit]

Appear to have been created outside the system, despite having had the "green box" added to the category page. PamD (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm undecided one way or the other whether a separate stub for public art is the best way to go - it's another axis to split art on other than medium and nationality, which are the two ways art would normally be split by stubs - and era/style would be a more obvious third way. In any case, with most WikiProjects a banner talk-page template is far more useful than a stub type, since you can use it to assess all your project's articles rather than justb stubs (see the section of WP:STUB on WikiProjects and assessment templates). Having said that, it seems to be in reasonable use. Grutness...wha? 21:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

National singer categories[edit]

The following undersized, unproposed categories have been built. I added a {{popstub}} tag that was removed with a comment that these were already fully loaded. If these cannot be enlarged, I would argue for deleting the categories, and upmerging the templates to Category:European singer stubs.

Dawynn (talk) 13:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

December 2010[edit]

Category:Women's association football biography stubs/{{Women-footy-bio-stub}}[edit]

Many sub-cats and sub-temps. Just created today. I have no objections to keeping them. Category:Australian women's football (soccer) biography stubs/{{Australia-women-footy-bio-stub}} Category:Norwegian women's football biography stubs/{{Norway-women-footy-bio-stub}} Category:New Zealand women's football (soccer) biography stubs/{{NewZealand-women-footy-bio-stub}} Category:German women's football (soccer) biography stubs/{{Germany-women-footy-bio-stub}} {{US-women-footy-bio-stub}} {{England-women-footy-bio-stub}} ~Gosox(55)(55) 13:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Please refer to the original discussion found on this page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2010/August. As you can see, the main category (Category:Women's association football biography stubs) was approved, as well as general consent that national subcategories would be quickly needed. Granted, the national sub-cats and templates were not officially registered. I took the liberty to copy the name of the main biography category for each country and just add 'women's' into the title. So, the reason for inconsistent naming in the subcategories, is because of inconsistent naming in the main national association football biography stub categories. (And the German category is Category:German women's football biography stubs). Dawynn (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
My bad, I completely missed that. My apologies. I believe that it's generally recommended that you get national subcats and temps approved, however, even though they can be speedied. (Correct me if I'm wrong?) ~Gosox(55)(55) 15:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Keep parent cat as proposed and keep the subcats as they would be speediable anyway, I think I mentioned creating upmerged templates in the discussion and that was supported do I have no problem with them at all. Waacstats (talk) 13:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

{{BS-geo-stub}}/Category:Black Sea geography stubs[edit]

Created 22 Dec, doesn't appear to have been discussed. Noticed it because the category had parent category Category:Stubs, which I've removed. PamD (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

The template name is distinctly non-standard and will need to be changed, and there's no indication which Black Sea region these are for (if it's for the sea itself, then it's definitely faulty, but it could well be for a Black sea region of Ukraine, Turkey, or the like. Hm. Looks like it's for the black sea itself, which is also not a good way to split these stubs. they should be marked with whichever country has jurisdiction over the locations (or if none, with marine-geo-stub). And every onje of these stubs is already bcorrectly marked with that. Distinctly SFD material. Grutness...wha? 10:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Moved to SFD. Grutness...wha? 10:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

{{Rhodophyta-stub}}/Category:Rhodophyta stubs[edit]

Created today unproposed. The template seems OK, and the category's almost passable, though it was an unnecessary split given the current size of Category:Algae stubs. Looks a likely keeper. Grutness...wha? 18:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Whoops - skip this - just found the proposal. Grutness...wha? 18:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


Not used and not even using the asbox template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

...and already adequatelyu covered by the correctly named {{art-stub}} and various other related {{culture-stub}} types. This is an SFD candidate. Grutness...wha? 18:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Kingdom of France stubs / {{Kingdom of France-stub}}[edit]

My cat scan of stub articles for the top 5 levels of Category:Kingdom of France revealed over 1000 articles as potential stubs. Some may be false positives, but I believe we have plenty to justify this category. My only issue is the template name. But I'm not sure what to propose. Any suggestions? Dawynn (talk) 13:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Any objection to {{KingdomOfFrance-stub}}? Dawynn (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
{{KingdomofFrance-stub}} would be better. Grutness...wha? 22:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

November 2010[edit]

Category:SavanesCI geography stubs[edit]

With over 90 articles in this category, it is viable. But I don't like the name. I'd like to propose Category:Savanes, Côte d'Ivoire, geography stubs. Dawynn (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

See WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2009/May#Category:Côte d'Ivoire_geography_stubs. As this is not a "discovery," the proper place for proposing and discussing category name changes is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. --Kleopatra (talk) 05:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
While the templates, as you pointed out, were properly registered, I do not see that the category names were ever registered or discussed. However, I have moved this discussion, as requested. Please feel free to leave notes on the discussion page. Dawynn (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:French film stubs splits[edit]

I don't see a proposal for the following small categories. I'd suggest deleting the categories for now, but keeping the templates to upmerge to Category:French film stubs, until these reach a reasonable size:

Dawynn (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Support deletion Waacstats (talk) 12:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

October 2010[edit]

Category:Opera singer stubs splits[edit]

I have no complaint about the Opera singer stubs category, and the larger national categories that have been registered under it. However, someone has recently been creating new national categories without any proposal, and most of these are appallingly small.

I don't see a proposal for the following small categories. I'd suggest deleting the categories for now, but keeping the templates to upmerge to Category:Opera singer stubs, until these actually reach a reasonable size:

The following also were not requested. Although larger, they still don't fit the 60 article minimum. Should these also be converted back to upmerged templates?

Dawynn (talk) 12:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment I believe a member of WikiProject Opera created these, although they weren't proposed or discussed there either. I can see the merits of having the sub-divisions but I personally find it a pain to keep track of so many. Apart from: {{UK-opera-singer-stub}}, {{US-opera-singer-stub}}, {{Germany-opera-singer-stub}}, {{Italy-opera-singer-stub}} (created by the stub-sorting project), I usually just use {{Opera-singer-stub}} (as do many other editors). I imagine this makes probably unnecessary work for the stub sorters. I'll leave it to members here as to what they think is best and will watch this page to let WikiProject Opera know what the outcome is. Voceditenore (talk) 09:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment As the creator of the cats, I appologize for creating any difficulties. I personally find having the extra sub cats by nationality useful. It prevents having to add more than one stub to an article sense it funnels into the stubs for both Category:Opera singers and Category:Singers by genre and nationality. Frankly, I found the massive list of more than 300 opera singer stubs prior to my changes useless. If a person was interested in say French opera singers, one had to weed through the list in a highly tedious manner. I would prefer to keep them, but will bow to the stub project's decision.4meter4 (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Upmerging while keeping the template seems quite reasonable to me. Finding the singers in a particular stub sub-category can still be done via looking at what links to the template. French opera singer stubs, for example, could still be found by looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:France-opera-singer-stub. – Voceditenore (talk) 13:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Support according to proposal. --Kslotte (talk) 17:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:Encoding stubs[edit]

Only the template exists under this category. Not sure why it was built. Indicates it's for articles about encryption. The main category for that article is Category:Cryptography. There is already a Category:Cryptography stubs. Might I suggest a redirect to Category:Cryptography stubs? Dawynn (talk) 12:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

UPmerge and delte. Waacstats (talk) 12:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Upmerge seems to have been done. Delete or redirect left. I propose delete. --Kslotte (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:Algeria university stubs[edit]

Only the template exists under this category. Main category (Category:Universities and colleges in Algeria) only has one article. I suggest deleting the category for now, but we can keep the template as an upmerge for Category:Africa university stubs. Dawynn (talk) 12:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Upmerge and delete Waacstats (talk) 12:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


No associated category created with it. Oddly, currently filtering into Category:English cricket biography stubs. Not entirely convinced this is necessary – there are currently only 22 Afghan players who would pass WP:CRIN, which is an application of WP:ATHLETE to the cricketing world, and WP:GNG. May not hurt to leave it as a stub template that upmerges in to Category:Cricket biography stubs, though. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 22:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I didn't realise these templates were meant to go through a process to be created, and I also didn't notice I hadn't changed English to Afghan! Which is probably a good reason for me not to have created it in the first place.. There are likely to be more Afghan cricketers passing CRIN in the next few years (I suspect there are already more than 22, once first-class players are included, though I'm not sure about that.) Harrias talk 06:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Given there are likely to be more, and the set up at Category:Cricket biography stubs; I'd also propose the creation of Category:Afghan cricket biography stubs. If not, then for the time being, an upmerge would suffice, along with Category:Afghan people stubs. Harrias talk 07:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Upmerge to Category:Cricket biography stubs and Category:Afghan people stubs atleast until we get 60. Waacstats (talk) 14:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Anglican cathedral stubs[edit]

No stub template. Looks like parent Category:Anglican cathedrals may have enough (72 articles came up in my initial query, but not all may rank as "stubs") for a category. Only 8 articles in this category right now. Existing approved stub category Category:Anglican church stubs is about mid-sized (315 articles). I would personally opt for closing down this category and moving the articles found here to Category:Anglican church stubs. Dawynn (talk) 01:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

although we have a similar category for RC i think this would be better upmerged to anglican church stubs if we had a template. As it is delete. Waacstats (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

September 2010[edit]

Category:North East Scotland stubs[edit]

No direct stub template; however, it currently houses 3 upmerged stub templates, none of which are used enough to justify their own categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

{{Acanthizidae-stub}}/Category:Acanthizidae stubs[edit]

Created in 2008, currently 52 artiucles. I recommend keeping for now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:54, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

July 2010[edit]


Currently transcluded on 11 pages. Doesn't have an associated category; places tagged pages in Category:Cleveland, Ohio (which is unhelpful, because most of them are already in a subcategory of that). —Paul A (talk) 03:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


I created this template (based on {{Japan-lit-stub}}) and populated the category before realising the extent of the bureaucratic process involved in stub sorting. Anyway, here it is, it has 32 articles so far, and will surely have many more as Wikipedia covers more than the basics of Chinese literature, which is an enormous field. Inductiveload (talk) 01:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

May 2010[edit]

{{Algeria-garden-stub}} / Category:Algerian garden stubs[edit]

Found this with just the template. No articles. There is no permanent category, so hard to tell how many articles could be listed here. I have no problem with the names, but would like to see this category populated, if it wants to stick around. Dawynn (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

{{AfroCaribbean-stub}} / Category:Afro Caribbean stubs[edit]

Found this with just the template. No articles. No indication of the intention for this category. I would choose deleting this category. Dawynn (talk) 11:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

{{English-engineer-stub}} / Category:English engineer stubs[edit]

Found this with one article listed in the underpopulated list. Started adding to it, when I found that there is already a well-populated Category:United Kingdom engineer stubs. The UK category is not really needing a split yet, so I would propose deleting this category and template altogether, and moving all articles over to {{UK-engineer-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Had further thoughts on this. There is a Category:English engineers, so no reason that this one can't exist. I was able to find enough articles (I chose to stop after finding 60 -- there's several more). But, following convention, should the template be {{England-engineer-stub}}? Dawynn (talk) 11:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

April 2010[edit]

{{TV-Production-Company-Stub}} / Category:Television production company stubs[edit]

Oops--I made this before I proposed it...anyway, I just created it and it is similar to the {{Film-company-stub}} but is used for television production companies rather than film companies. This may seem like a very small difference, but I thought it was worth creating. So far, after I created it, I have only added it to one page, but I would imagine there are several pages I would be able to add it to. If it gets deleted, it is understandable, but just wanted to give y'all a heads up before you discovered it yourselves. Sorry about this! --Donatrip (talk) 16:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

March 2010[edit]

{{Samsung-mobile-stub}} / Category:Samsung phone stubs[edit]

Found this in Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized categories. Currently has 101 articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Although I'm not sure the articles should exist, while they do I would rather them be in this category than flooding another category. Waacstats (talk) 09:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

{{Canada-mag-stub}} / Category:Canada magazine stubs[edit]

Found this as I was reviewing the magazine categories again. There are 55 articles at this point, and I'm sure more could be found. I personally would argue that Category:Canadian magazine stubs would be a better category title. Dawynn (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

support rename. Waacstats (talk) 08:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:OCriverstub / Category:Orange County river stubs[edit]

Template not named properly, overall likely too small in scope. –xenotalk 19:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Take to SFD and delete Waacstats (talk) 08:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

February 2010[edit]

Category:African cycling biography stubs[edit]

Category created for {{Africa-cycling-bio-stub}}, {{SouthAfrica-cycling-bio-stub}} and {{Zimbabwe-cycling-bio-stub}}. Only 24 articles in the category, of which just under half have been prodded. SeveroTC 18:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this could be deleted and the articles merged back into the cycling biogrpahy stub category. Waacstats (talk) 13:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:LGBT-related magazine stubs[edit]

Please review: Upmerged template already existed ({{LGBT-mag-stub}}), found 60 articles to put under it, found that there was already a category Category:LGBT-related magazines. So, I created the stub category. Dawynn (talk) 13:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Not sure the -related needs to be in there but seem to think that one of the other LGBT cats is the same. Waacstats (talk) 13:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
I used related purely to keep with the parent category. Since Category:LGBT-related magazines, then Category:LGBT-related magazine stubs. Dawynn (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Vetting of computer-related stubs[edit]

Found these on the list of existing stubs that are on the "to be vetted" list. Please advise whether acceptable.




Dawynn (talk) 11:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I think we can keep any category with over 50 articles and the upmerged templates, the rest could probably do with some one going through the categories and seeing what can get up close to 60 and deleting what can't. Waacstats (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

January 2010[edit]

Category:2010s indie pop album stubs[edit]

I found this one in the list of uncategorised categories, along with its associated template Template:Pop-album-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). It appears to be an excessively narrow division of Category:Pop album stubs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

December 2009[edit]

Category:Bacon stubs[edit]

I didn't know that there had to be a discussion before a stub was created so I created this stub category yesterday. I was suggested by a "busybody" that I should inform you of its creation. I however believe that it is a very useful sub-category of meat stubs, with 23 entries included when I last checked and with the Bacon WikiCup already running it is very likely to serve a good purpose for a lot more stubs within the relevant range. (I've already added a lot of articles with no stub category to it and have changed the meat stubs template on a few articles to the more specific bacon stub category. Do with this template what you will (I understand now that it should've been proposed before it was created) but I stronly believe it will be a very helpful subcategory within the meat stubs category.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 04:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

23 is a very small number for a new stub category - the usual threshold before the creation of a category is 60 existing stubs. If this gets to 60 soon, then it may be worth keeping, if not, then the likely outcome is to upmerge the template to have it point to Category:Meat stubs. BTW, referring to someone who suggests you actually follow WP guidelines and policies as a "busybody" isn't going to gain you many friends! Grutness...wha? 23:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
FWIW, the "busybody" comment was in humourous repsonse to this.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 00:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
No worries, the busybody in question referred to herself somewhat tongue-in-cheek that way initially (and is now going to stop referring to herself in the third person). LadyofShalott 06:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
For more on-topic comment... I wonder about upmerging bacon-stub to something along the lines of pork-stub. Would that make the target number of 60? (I really am asking I don't know the answer to that.) LadyofShalott 06:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
{{Pork-stub}}/Category:pork stubs would be a more widely-scoped stub type, and this suggests there would be over 60 articles. Best thing to do from here would be to take this to WP:SFD and mention this discussion there, asking that Category:Bacon stubs be deleted and the template upmerged into a new Category:Pork stubs, (with either the addition of a {{Pork-stub}} or the renaming of {{Bacon-stub}} to {{Pork-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 22:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I'll take it to SFD now. Should be (hopefully) pretty straightforward. Taken o SFD for renaming/upscoping. Grutness...wha? 04:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Khmer singer stubs[edit]

Stub category that seems oddly named, not big enough, and it is used directly on articles and not with a template. Borgarde (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I think this one should probably go straight to SFD. You've mentioned several problems with it - another is that splitting singers by language is a bad precedent to have. Singers are usually split by nationality, and many singers can sing in multiple languages. A Cambodia-singer-stub would be fine (probably upmerged), but not this. Grutness...wha? 05:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Taken to SFD.Borgarde (talk) 07:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:South Ossetia geography stubs/{{South Ossetia-geo-stub}}[edit]

Unproposed, only one page in category, category is malformed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Template is misnamed too (should be at SouthOssetia-geo-stub). But if you check the SFD for Ossetia-geo-stub you'll see the reasoning behind it. It should have been proposed though - to save us the work of having to fix it up :/ Grutness...wha? 22:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


I noticed this one because it was using a non-standard category Category:Agriculture in India. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

  • If kept it would definitely need a better category. The articles using this template seem to be a fairly abstract mix of Indian org-stubs, bio-stubs, hist-stubs and the like, too. AFAIK we don't usually split agri-stubs by nation, though if we did, india would be a reasonable one to start with. Grutness...wha? 23:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Newly discovered, November 2009[edit]

{{AIADMK-politician-stub}}/Category:AIADMK politician stubs and {{DMK-politician-stub}}/Category:Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam politician stubs[edit]

Two new stub types for Indian politicians, though only one of the four parts gives any indication of that by its name. Both categories are small, though one is fairly close to threshold - the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam one may need to be upmerged, however. And something - anything! -needs to be done with the names, even if only adding "-India-" to both templates and changing the DMK in the second template to something a little less ambiguous. Grutness...wha? 01:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is also relevant to any renaming which may be needed. Grutness...wha? 01:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Quite honestly, when everything else in Wikipedia is create and then discuss/delete, I did not expect stub type creations to be any different. However, now that I know this, I'll bring the next few here before creating. At this point there are over 100 between 200-400 stubs each for these two stub types, they just haven't been categorized yet. Also, User:CarTick, User:Sodabottle and I expect to create at least another 100 each over the next two to four weeks for these two stub types. As far as the naming goes, I kept it consistent with {{INC-politician-stub}} and {{BJP-politician-stub}} which belong to the same Indian politician stub category. -SpacemanSpiff 01:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
    • Check the section of WP:BOLD which relates to templates and categories. This will give you some reasons for the more circumspect nature of creation of stub types. More reasons can be found at User:Grutness/Stub rationales. As far as the nameing is concernedf, the BJP in particular is widely known wirldwide as being a major indian political party, as is the INC (though less so, perhaps). I doubt you'd have the same level of worldwide recognition for either DMK or AIADMK. Grutness...wha? 09:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
many of the politicians from Category:Tamil Nadu politicians will belong to either ADMK or DMK, two main political parties in Tamil Nadu. useful stub as far as I am concerned. --CarTick 05:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I never said that the aren't useful stub types. All I've said is that the names which have been used for the templates and one of the categories are non-standard, and if kept they will need to be changed; and that neither of the categories is yet up to the point where they should have been created. If they reach the threshold for stub categories (60 existing stubs), then only the names will be a problem. But these problems could have been overcome far more easily and with less work all round if the stub types had been proposed in the first place. Grutness...wha? 09:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
  • The number should no longer be a problem. There are currently 140 and 97 stubs in the two stub cats, and I haven't even come close to categorizing 30% of the existing stubs. If the DMK name seems too generic an acronym, let's go with {{DMKazhagam-politician-stub}}. -SpacemanSpiff 14:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
And AIADMKazhagam-politician-stub? I could go with those, though I'm not sure about others in WP:WSS. Grutness...wha? 18:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I doubt that such long an acronym would exist elsewhere, but I could live with {{AIADMKazhagam-politician-stub}}. While I understand the logic behind attaching India, the concern I have is that both these parties have a presence restricted to only Tamil Nadu and Puduchery, and they aren't "national" parties per se. But if it is preferred to make it {{India-DMK-politician-stub}} or {{DMKIndia-politician-stub}}, I haven't any objection to that either -SpacemanSpiff 18:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
India-DMK-politician-stub would be the other way to go (as in {{Australia-Labor-politician-stub}}, for example). As long as they're the only parties of those names in India, it would still make sense, whether they're regional or not. It's probably less urgent for these parties than for the Australian one and others like it, because as far as WP articles are concerned, DMK is the abbreviation for only one political party worldwide. It isn't impossible that there are others, thopugh, and it's certainly not an abbreviation that is likely to mean much to anyone who doesn't know about Indian politics. Grutness...wha? 23:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)