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Consensus not to number US First Ladies & Second Ladies.
Early closure as unanimous. The editor who was advocating the change has agreed to reversing the edits, as well as early closure.Alsee (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recently, @CatcherStorm: added numberings to the bio articles of the US First Ladies & Second Ladies. These are not political offices & are rarely if ever numbered. Should the recent additions be kept or deleted. GoodDay (talk) 01:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@Corkythehornetfan: should be involved here since he sits on my edit history. Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with mentioning the order of the First and Second Ladies of the United States. It should be made common knowledge that Martha Washington was the first First Lady of the United States, so why is it bad to mention that Melania Trump is the 41st First Lady of the United States? Mind you, these are extremely minor edits, but helpful. These edits went uncontested for an entire week until GoodDay decided to revert them. CatcherStormtalk 02:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
It should also be mentioned that I spent at least an hour going through every single First and Second Lady's article to make the changes. I was quite annoyed when I was only notified after all of my edits were reverted, rather than after an RfC. CatcherStormtalk 02:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia is a public domain. One's edits are always subject to deletions. PS - WP:BRD sides with me. GoodDay (talk) 02:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@GoodDay: Yeah, that's not the subject of debate here, buddy. The debate is to whether or not reverting such a minor edit was substantiated. I don't think it was, and I'm sure you can find another person to piss off on Wikipedia. CatcherStormtalk 02:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Let's not make this personal (because it's not to me), this is a content dispute. I certainly will abide by the results of this Rfc, when it closes in mid-May. GoodDay (talk) 02:21, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete – we don't refer to FLOTUS and SLOTUS as the "(number) FLOTUS" or "(number) SLOTUS". The titles aren't like V/POTUS as they aren't political officials. Corky 02:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete - it's a meaningless statistic that just raises questions as to why the numbers don't match. Some of the unmarried presidents (widower, bachelor) had surrogate "first ladies" - why ignore them in the count? So I question the contention that these additions are "helpful" - to me they add confusion and are without significance. Tvoz/talk 02:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete - We base our articles on what Reliable Sources say, and I have never seen a Reliable Source refer to first (and second) ladies in this way. Basically this is WP:Original research. --MelanieN (talk) 04:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete - useless bloat, uncommon in the set of reliable sources. Neutralitytalk 05:00, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete - not a political office. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Comment On his talk page, CatcherStorm seems to have given me (or any of us, whoever gets to it first) permission to revert these additions. --MelanieN (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted them. GoodDay (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.