Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User warnings/Testing/ImageTaggingBot

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There's a draft in here[edit]

License tagging for {{{1}}}

NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg
Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate the license status of images. This information is required for [[:{{{1}}}]].
Although your upload is appreciated, without the correct licence information this image may face deletion. Please choose the correct licencing tag from the lists on these pages, and add the appropriate tag to the image file page (instructions below). If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.
For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.
Once you've found the correct image licence tag, click on [[:{{{1}}}|this link]], then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Alternative[edit]

License tagging for {{{1}}}

NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg
Thank you for uploading an image to Wikipedia. Image copyright tags must be used to indicate [[:{{{1}}}]] the correct permission for using the image, otherwise it may have to be deleted. Please choose the correct licencing tag from the lists on these pages, and add the appropriate tag to the image file page (instructions below). If no tag fits the situation of your image, chances are it cannot be used on Wikipdia. If you have any questions, please contact Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.
Once you've found the correct image licence tag, click on [[:{{{1}}}|this link]], then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description.

Thank you.

  • You'll note that I have absolutely no idea what the USA tags are for! \o/ for me! fredgandt 04:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks to Ron I possibly now know roughly what the USA specific licences are for (but possibly not). fredgandt 20:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
      • Sorry, but this is awful. First of all, the giant copyright logo needs to go. Both the choice of image and the size are bad. Whatever you replace it with needs to be much, much smaller. There's a reason that all of the templates Wikipedia uses have small images, and that's because not all users have large screens. Secondly, the message is confusing to me, and I work primarily in files. It needs to be rewritten by someone who knows files better. No offense, but by your own admission, this isn't your area. Sven Manguard Wha? 10:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
        • So, I think the way to go with these warnings is actually not to try to teach the user everything they could possibly need to know about licensing. That's just not possible, especially given that if you all – Wikipedians with moderate to high expertise in files – have a hard time with licensing, you can imagine how a newbie is going to feel when they're saddled with all this policy. Forgive the cheesy marketing parlance, but what we need is to completely shift the paradigm of what an image license/tagging warning is. Steven and I have some ideas of how to do that, and we'll try to get them onwiki today. I also just go the go-ahead from Coren to draft new copyvio warning templates for CorenSearchBot, and I think those will probably follow a similar tack. Watch this space and let us know what you think! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
        • Feel free to improve the draft Sven. fredgandt 19:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
        • As a reasonably experienced editor, I have uploaded hundreds of files to Wikipedia/Commons, but I still find the process daunting. Fortunately none of my files have ever been deleted. Taking the above template a an example, I find it is TL;DR. It should be short, to the point, and sufficient to direct the user to the page where the instructions are. That said, perhaps a Commons-style upload wizard would be the answer (this may have been discussed in the past). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

An additional suggestion[edit]

I'm all in favour of friendlier tags, but I find the proposed solution above to be quite contrary to what is hoped to be achieved. Perhaps not for discussion here ( and of not, where?) is that while many new images are uploaded to Commons, Wikipedia editors should be notified of incomplete licences/FUR on their Wikipedia talk pages; is it possible for a bot to do this? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:05, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea if it's practically possible (theoretically it should be easy) for a bot to make cross-wiki notifications. We might ask BAG. Anyway, at least the editor will get an email notification about their talk page message on Commons, even if it's more ideal for them to get a notification on their home wiki. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 05:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I brought this up above because I had noticed recently a spate of images had uploaded to commons had been disappearing from Wikipedia articles I occasionaly edit. The email feature is not selected by default and many home Wiki users are not even aware of this option. I'm not sure about BAG - perhaps it would be best to ask a known global bot creator if they can come up with something or perhaps the WMF could help as this would be a global utility. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Testing?[edit]

Can I ask how long this test is going to continue yet? And also, according to what criteria will the results be evaluated? What kinds of reactions of uploaders will be counted as a "success"?

I'm asking because I'm actually quite wary of some of the messages employed. Congratulating a user with "It was really helpful of you to upload", when in an estimated 80% of all cases these images are in fact objectively not helpful at all, strikes me as potentially extremely counterproductive. I have a strong suspicion these messages may be actively harmful. (In fact, even the old messages are probably too soft, and my experience suggests they were always quite ineffective, but the experimental ones must be considerably worse. Fut.Perf. 14:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)