Wikipedia talk:Www/en2 split

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The www/en2 dichotomy[edit]

Due to heavy load on the web server in September 2003, logins on the English-language Wikipedia were temporarily redirected to the database/other web server as en2.wikipedia.org to help balance out the load. Images uploaded there did not immediately show up on www.wikipedia.org, but were copied/syncronized later. The follwing issues resulted from this, or were in some way related to it.

en2.wikipedia.org[edit]

Oh, en2.wikipedia.org is so fast! Every article is loaded just like ordinary web pages. Amazing. This shows how much wikipedia is heavily loaded. Anyway, thank you for setting up this. I only hope this lasts for long time. -- Taku 04:39, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Please frogive my ignorance, but what is en2.wikipedia.org? Does it mirror www.wikipedia.org contents? Is it the additional server we've been hearing about? Do contributions there make it to the original 'pedia? WIll it eventually be merged with the main 'pedia? Do we need to create a new account for en2? Should we use it over the old 'pedia (to lighten its load)? Sorry for all the questions, but I just started hearing about it and have no idea what it actually is. But visiting it I've seen that it is substantially faster. —Frecklefoot 14:31, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Announcements - en2 is [pliny] is the database server is the server for all the non-english wikipedias. And it is fast :-) andy 15:06, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It's only fast because the vast, vast majority of hits are going to poor beleagered larousse on www.wikipedia.org and we've turned off a lot of features that hit the database. :( The big cpu upgrades should be coming next week... --Brion 15:14, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Since September 24th. Contributions make it to the original wiki. You will not need to create another account. But I'm thinking, unless you have a mild connection, you won't be able to truly appreciate en2. I'm on 37.2 kbps... finally my connection is worth something. :0} Usedbook 15:17, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It appears www.wikipedia.org is now fast while en2 is incrediblly slow. Taku 23:18, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The move to en2 is a minus when going between wiki's (for example when one is working on interwiki links) - when I come in on www I am not logged in; if I login, I do so on en2. The effect is that each time I follow an Interwiki link to en:, I am not logged in, and have to go to en2 by hand to see the page as a logged-in user. Andre Engels 22:40, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've just realised what has been annoying me when I've been reading en2 -- the dates are in the wrong format for my liking, and on investigation I've discovered that the date preferences options have disappeared! Can someone put them back, please? Arwel 19:16, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So-called the www/en2 dichotomy is really annoying everyone. I don't blame administraters of the sever gvien the heavy load of wikipedia.org, we don't have other choices. From what I heard, hoepfully the new sever to be intrdouced next week solves this problem. -- Taku

Images uploaded and now broken[edit]

I'm confused. I uploaded two images earlier this afternoon, for whom the pages still exist (and the pictures WORKED earlier today), but the links are broken now if I try to inline the image. They are: media:Dealey-plaza-annotated-thumbnail.png and media:Dealey-plaza-annotated.png. Am I missing something? Was something done to them?


(I don't know the proper way to actually put in a link to an image 'information' page rather than inserting the whole dang thing in - I used 'media' to do what I just did; but in any case, I'm sure this gets the idea across).

Skybunny 05:30, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Announcements. --Brion 05:34, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Ah, thanks - another page I wasn't familiar with. Till now. Does explain the speediness today though. :) Skybunny 05:38, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

favicon.ico[edit]

Having just switched to en2, I've noticed that the bookmark icon (also used in Mozilla et al. for tabs) differs between the servers; which one is intended - en2's or www's?
James F. 22:59, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

They look the same to me. Angela 23:02, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Really? www's is (or at least appears as on my machine) a globe with a black 'w'; en2's is a white square with a 'w' on it.
James F. 23:23, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Try clearing your cache. Angela 23:31, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Ah. Oops.
*feel embarassed*
When was the icon changed, then?
James F. 23:49, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I might have brought it into line with all the other Wiki*edia sites while rearranging files on September 9, but I have no memory of doing so. Hooray for the death of the old ugly icon! Now somebody'll probably make us replace it with some gaudy multicolored sphere-let or something. :P --Brion 00:19, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

wiki-L[edit]

I tried to post on wiki-L; but to to avail -- it is clogged with logo spam. When I go "offsite", perhaps by google search perhaps by viewing a mailing list -- I am then logged out. When I return to the login page I am autologged in...but first I have to return there -- why am I not continuously logged in? LirQ

It's another side-effect of the www/en2 dichotomy. Martin 13:37, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
When you want to return to the site type "en2.wikipedia.org" not "www.wikipedia.org" at the address bar and you should stay logged in all the time. Pete 17:12, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

problem with photo[edit]

Could someone look at Herschel Grynszpan and tell me why my photo is not appearing? Adam

OK it is working now. Thanx. Adam

At the moment there is a somewhat awkward split between access to the wiki via www.wikipedia.org and an alternate server en2.wikipedia.org. Logins and uploads are redirected to en2.wikipedia.org ("pliny"), which is the faster server and holds the database and serves all the other Wikimedia wikis, while www.wikipedia.org ("larousse") serves only web pages for the English-language Wikipedia -- but is sorely overloaded. Any new files uploaded to en2 are copied onto www on the hour, so if you were looking at the article from www.wikipedia.org during the half hour between uploading it and the next refresh, you wouldn't have seen the photo (but you would have seen it looking at the article on en2.wikipedia.org).
In the near future we hope to upgrade both servers (was to be done last week but parts are delayed) and set up some more transparent load balancing between the two. For now it's a bit annoying, I know. --Brion 05:24, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

logged out[edit]

I keep getting logged out, depsite checking the remember my password between sessions thing. Anyone having similar trouble? Mintguy 21:56, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It's probably the www/en2 thing: you'll be logged out every time you go to a www. URL. Martin 22:02, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I was having that problem after googling and occasionally at other times. I found that generally I'm on en2.wikipedia.org, but after using google get sent to www.wikipedia.org, and that one cookie wipes out the other -- so you can't be logged into both at the same time. Try changing the URL by hand back and forth and see if that's the problem. -- Bcorr 22:12, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Image problem[edit]

I'm having trouble getting Grouse.JPG, as well as a number of other pictures to display. Vancouverguy 00:57, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I don't know what your problem is since you give no details, but note that the image upload situation is now reversed from where it was recently; uploads go to www.wikipedia.org. New uploads may not have yet been copied to en2.wikipedia.org, which will probably soon be taken out of service as unnecessary with the faster reborn larousse. --Brion 01:14, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It's probably the situation discribed earlier in the page.Vancouverguy 01:15, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

When fixed[edit]

OK well i don't really understand the explanations of why the image upload isn't working and why Wikipedia goes offline in the afternoon (my time) every day, but then I rarely understand explanations of this kind of thing - I guess that's why I'm a historian :) Does anyone know when the photo upload will be fixed? Adam 16:35, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

In the simplest terms, the answer is no :-). Some changes are being made to the computers that run Wikipedia. Once these are completed, the image upload *will* work as before. There have been teething problems with the new equipment and so it is taking longer than we all might hope, and a final resolution date/time is not yet known. We should be grateful that it is being done at all of course, people donating their time and money to give us our wikipedia :) Pete 06:37, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Unresolved problem[edit]

Moved back to WP:VP