South Coast derby

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South Coast derby
South Coast Derby Kits.svg
City or region Hampshire
Teams involved Portsmouth
Southampton
First contested Pompey 2 - Saints 0
(6 Sept 1899)[1]
Number of meetings "First class" – 70
All matches – 139
Most wins "First class" – Saints (34)
All matches – Pompey (62)
Most recent meeting Southampton 2 Portsmouth 2
(7 April 2012)
Largest victory Saints 5 - Pompey 1
(FA Cup, 13 Jan 1906)
Saints 5 - Pompey 1
(11 Sept 1920)
Saints 5 - Pompey 1
(27 Aug 1960)
Saints 4 - Pompey 0
(17 April 1975)

The South Coast Derby or the Hampshire Derby are terms used to describe football matches played between Portsmouth Football Club and Southampton Football Club.

The two clubs are the most successful on the southern coast of England, and lie only 17 miles apart. However, because the two clubs have often been in different leagues, they seldom play each other as compared to the North London derby and North West derby which have been contested over a hundred times.

Portsmouth are statistically the more successful of the two clubs with two old Division 1 (now the Premier League) titles being champions of England in 1948–49 and 1949–50 and two FA Cups compared to Southampton's solitary FA Cup success in 1976; despite this, Southampton have won more competitive matches between the two teams, and have been more regularly in a higher league than Portsmouth, including their 27 consecutive years in the top flight of English football.

Southampton currently play in the Premier League. Portsmouth currently play in League Two.

Changing fortunes[edit]

Southampton were originally formed in 1885 as St. Mary's Young Men's Association F.C., before adopting the name Southampton St. Mary's when the club joined the Southern League in 1894. After they won the Southern League title in 1896–97, the club became a limited company and changed their name to Southampton F.C. Portsmouth was founded in April 1898 and joined the Southern League in 1899.

The first match between the two clubs came in a friendly at Portsmouth's Fratton Park ground on 6 September 1899. The match was won "on their merits" 2–0 by Portsmouth, with goals from Dan Cunliffe (formerly with Liverpool) and Harold Clarke (formerly with Everton).[1]

Southampton and Portsmouth first played each other in the Southern League in April 1900, with Portsmouth winning 2–0 twice in three days. The teams met regularly in the Southern League, and in the early years of the 20th century were rivals for the league title, with Southampton taking the title in 1901, 1903 and 1904 (having also been champions in three consecutive seasons from 1896–97 to 1898–99, before Portsmouth were formed) and Portsmouth taking the title in 1902 (and again in 1920).

The first of four South Coast derbies in the FA Cup took place on 13 January 1906. Because of the large crowd expected for the first FA Cup meeting between the two rivals, the local registrars in both towns postponed voting in the 1906 general election until the following week.[2] The match at The Dell was attended by a capacity crowd of 14,000 and the Portsmouth fans, together with their players, did their best to unsettle the inexperienced 'keeper, Bill Stead, who was making only his second first team appearance. Stead, however, showed few signs of nerves and produced a "phlegmatic performance",[3] restricting Portsmouth to a single goal from Dan Cunliffe, while the Saints scored five and eventually progressed to the last eight, where they lost 3–0 at Liverpool.[2]

For the 1920-21 season, both teams were admitted to the Football League (together with the majority of the Southern League First Division sides). The first Football League game between the two clubs was on 11 September 1920, with Southampton winning 2-0. After two seasons in the Third Division, Saints were promoted as champions in 1922. Pompey joined them in the Second Division in 1924 and were promoted to the First Division in 1927. Up to this time the teams had met ten times in the Football League, with Saints winning four, Pompey three and three draws.

From 1927 until 1960 Portsmouth then enjoyed a much-superior league position to their neighbours, winning the FA Cup in 1939 and back-to-back League Titles in 1948–49 and 1949–50, until 1960, when Southampton gained promotion back to the Second Division, Portsmouth having been relegated from the First Division the previous season. From the 1960s onwards, Southampton found themselves in the ascendancy, being in a superior division nearly every season while defeating their rivals whenever the two sides met in cup clashes.

With Southampton being in a higher division for most of the period from the 1960s through to the early 2000s, the two clubs rarely met. Events such as the death of Portsmouth goalkeeper Aaron Flahavan, a Southampton-born footballer whose brother Darryl had played for Southampton, occasionally brought the fans together. However, events of recent years have altered this markedly.

Southampton dominated the South Coast derby games in the post-war era, with 14 wins against Portsmouth's 4. Portsmouth's promotion to the Premiership in 2003 evened matters and reignited the clubs' rivalry - the first time the two teams had met in regular league competition since the 1987–88 First Division season. Southampton held the upper-hand, winning two of the three matches played between the two sides in the 2003–04 season.

The rivalry was galvanised with the appointment of Harry Redknapp as Southampton manager in December 2004, just days after he had resigned as manager of Portsmouth, and less than a month after the Saints had beaten Portsmouth at St Mary's Stadium. The following month, the Saints were drawn against and defeated their rivals in a fiery FA Cup match, with former Portsmouth striker Peter Crouch (who would go on to rejoin Portsmouth in 2008) scoring the decisive penalty in the last minute of the match.

However, Portsmouth struck back in the next league encounter between the rivals, with Southampton losing 4–1 at Fratton Park in Redknapp's only return to the ground with the club. Southampton were subsequently relegated from the Premiership on the final day of the 2004–05 season, ending their 27 year run in the top flight of English Football. Southampton were again relegated in April 2009, this time from the Championship to League One,[4] although Portsmouth were in turn relegated to the Championship for the 2010–11 season after having been deducted nine points as a penalty for entering administration.[5]

The matches played during the 2011–12 season both ended as draws, but the club's fortunes differed considerably with Southampton gaining promotion to the Premier League and Portsmouth once again going into administration and being relegated to League One.[6]

Harry Redknapp[edit]

The acrimonious departure of Harry Redknapp from Portsmouth to Southampton brought the bitter rivalry between the two clubs to a new level. When Redknapp returned to Portsmouth in November 2005 following Southampton's relegation, it only served to further sour relations between the two clubs, which arguably remain at an all-time low. The two clubs' chairmen at the time, Rupert Lowe (Southampton) and Milan Mandaric (Portsmouth), publicly criticised one another on a number of occasions, with Lowe calling for an inquest into irregular betting patterns in the run-up to Redknapp's re-appointment. Mandaric had even sent a boxed duck as a Christmas "gift" to Lowe (as Lowe had been on a hunting trip when the "ordeal" began), but the gesture only furthered the animosity between the two.[citation needed]

Inter-fan rivalry[edit]

Exactly when the fierce rivalry between the supporters of the two clubs began is not entirely clear. Until as recently as the early 1970s, many fans would go and watch the other team when their side was playing away, indicating anything but hatred. Some ascribe the growing rivalry since then to the cities' diverging economic fortunes.

Nicknames[edit]

Portsmouth supporters, and occasionally those of other clubs, refer to Southampton supporters as "scum" or "scummers". According to some Portsmouth fans, the term "scum" developed out of an acronym standing for Southampton City (or Corporation) Union Men, with the term allegedly originating from when Southampton dockyard workers supposedly crossed the picket lines in the 1930s when Portsmouth dockyard workers were on strike. However this story is unlikely, as the two cities rely on entirely different types of ports — Southampton being a merchant port and Portsmouth, a naval one. There is also no known record of any strike occurring during the mentioned time period. Rather, this seems to be a modern attempt to incorrectly describe the origins of the rivalry.[7]

Southampton supporters have taken to referring to their local rivals as "Skates". This is a derisive alternative to "matelot" to describe naval sailors, Portsmouth being the home of the Royal Navy. This term is in fact originally a dismissive one for sailors, possibly originating in Portsmouth, which most Southampton fans have adopted. It was made popular as an abusive term towards Portsmouth fans after a Southampton fanzine asked readers to help search for the term most likely to cause offence to them.[7]

Derby results in summary[edit]

"First class" competitions[edit]

Competition Played Results Goals
Saints Pompey Draw Saints Pompey
Southern League 32 15 12 5 43 43
Football League 28 12 6 10 50 36
Premier League 4 2 2 0 6 6
FA Cup 5 4 1 0 12 6
League Cup 1 1 0 0 2 0
TOTAL 70 34 21 15 113 91

All official competitions[edit]

Including the above matches, plus Southern District Combination, Western League, Southern Alliance League and other official cup matches.[8]

Portsmouth – 62

Southampton – 56

Drawn – 21

Total – 139

All-time results[edit]

League[edit]

Southampton vs Portsmouth

Date Venue Score Competition
11 September 1920 The Dell 5–1 Third Division
25 March 1922 The Dell 1–1 Third Division (South)
27 September 1924 The Dell 0–0 Second Division
5 September 1925 The Dell 1–3 Second Division
15 January 1927 The Dell 0–2 Second Division
27 August 1960 The Dell 5–1 Second Division
2 March 1963 The Dell 4–2 Second Division
8 February 1963 The Dell 2–3 Second Division
16 January 1965 The Dell 2–2 Second Division
28 August 1964 The Dell 2–2 Second Division
14 September 1974 The Dell 2–1 Second Division
17 April 1975 The Dell 4–0 Second Division
3 January 1988 The Dell 0–2 First Division
21 December 2003 St Mary's 3–0 Premier League
13 November 2004 St Mary's 2–1 Premier League
7 April 2012 St Mary's 2–2 Championship
Southampton wins Draws Portsmouth wins
7 5 4

Portsmouth vs Southampton

Date Venue Score Competition
18 September 1920 Fratton Park 0–1 Third Division
18 March 1922 Fratton Park 0–2 Third Division (South)
29 November 1924 Fratton Park 1–1 Second Division
16 January 1926 Fratton Park 1–2 Second Division
28 August 1926 Fratton Park 3–1 Second Division
31 December 1960 Fratton Park 1–1 Second Division
13 October 1962 Fratton Park 1–1 Second Division
28 September 1963 Fratton Park 2–0 Second Division
12 September 1964 Fratton Park 0–3 Second Division
5 February 1966 Fratton Park 2–5 Second Division
26 December 1974 Fratton Park 1–2 Second Division
6 April 1976 Fratton Park 0–1 Second Division
22 August 1987 Fratton Park 2–2 First Division
21 March 2004 Fratton Park 1–0 Premier League
24 April 2005 Fratton Park 4–1 Premier League
18 December 2011 Fratton Park 1–1 Championship
Portsmouth wins Draws Southampton wins
4 5 7

Cup tournaments[edit]

Date Score Winner Competition Venue
13 January 1906
5–1
Southampton FA Cup The Dell
20 January 1984
0–1
Southampton FA Cup Fratton Park
7 January 1996
3–0
Southampton FA Cup The Dell
2 December 2003
2–0
Southampton League Cup St Mary's
29 January 2005
2–1
Southampton FA Cup St Mary's
13 February 2010
1–4
Portsmouth FA Cup St Mary's

Players who have played for both clubs[edit]

Updated to 15 March 2013

Player Portsmouth career Southampton career
Span League
Appearances
League
Goals
Span League
Appearances
League
Goals
John Bainbridge 1906–1907 25 4 1907–1910 84 20
Ian Baird 1987–1988 20 1 1982–1985 22 5
Dave Beasant 2001–2002 27 0 1993–1997 88 0
Billy Beaumont 1907–1910 70 2 1910–1911 27 0
Edward Bell 1911–1912 4 0 1906–1908 4 0
John Beresford 1989–1992 108 8 1998–2000 17 0
Eyal Berkovic 2004–2005 22 2 1996–1997 28 4
Robert Blyth 1921–1922 8 2 1922–1923 8 0
Tommy Bowman 1904–1909 85 3 1901–1904 88 2
Arthur Charles Brown 1907–1910 9 0 1906–1907
1910–1912
0
39
0
0
Arthur Chadwick 1901–1904 43 9 1897–1901 81 6
Mick Channon 1985–1986 34 6 1966–1977
1979–1982
391
119
157
28
Colin Clarke 1990–1993 85 18 1986–1989 82 36
Eamonn Collins 1986–1989 5 0 1981–1983 3 0
David Connolly 2012– 10 4 2009–2012 61 14
Andy Cook 1987–1991 16 1 1997–1998 9 0
Martin Cranie 2007–2009 2 0 2004–2007 16 0
Peter Crouch 2001–2002
2008–2009
37
38
18
11
2004–2005 27 12
Ron Davies 1973–1974 59 18 1966–1972 240 134
C. B. Fry 1902–1903 2 0 1900–1902 16 0
Ricardo Fuller 2004–2005 31 1 2005–2006 31 9
Paul Gilchrist 1977–1978 39 3 1972–1977 107 17
Mervyn Gill 1953–1955 6 0 1955–1956 1 0
Jon Gittens 1993–1996 83 1 1985-1987
1991-1992
18
19
0
0
Alex Glen 1907–1908 7 1 1906–1907 29 10
Ivan Golac 1985 8 0 1978–1983
1984–1985
144
24
4
0
Willie Haines 1922–1928 164 119 1928–1932 70 47
Trevor Hebberd 1991 4 0 1976–1982 97 7
Scott Hiley 1999–2002 75 0 1998–1999 32 0
Barry Horne 1987–1989 70 7 1989–1992 112 6
Ted Hough 1931–1932 1 0 1921–1931 175 0
Kelly Houlker 1902–1903 23 1 1903–1906 59 3
Bill Kennedy 1932–1933 1 0 1936–1938 43 0
George Lawrence 1993 12 0 1980–1982
1985-1987
10
70
1
11
John Lewis 1900–1901 21 7 1907–1908 24 10
Alex McDonald 1902–1903 7 7 1901 5 5
Johnny McIlwaine 1928–1930 56 5 1930–1932
1933–1937
46
81
9
9
Jerry Mackie 1920–1928 278 78 1928–1931 81 24
Alan McLoughlin 1992–1999 309 54 1990–1992 24 1
Steve Middleton 1977–1978 26 0 1969–1970 24 0
George Molyneux 1905–1906 23 0 1900–1905 142 0
Harry Penk 1955–1957 9 2 1960–1964 52 6
Vincent Péricard 2002–2006 44 9 2008 5 0
Matt Reilly 1899–1904 138 0 1895 2 0
Nigel Quashie 2000–2005 148 13 2005–2006 37 5
Matthew Robinson 1998–2000 69 1 1993–1998 14 0
Bill Rochford 1931–1946 138 1 1946–1950 128 0
Bobby Stokes 1977–1978 24 2 1968–1977 216 40
Isaac Tomlinson 1906–1907 5 0 1905–1906 29 8
Jhon Viáfara 2005–2006 14 1 2006–2008 76 5
Grégory Vignal 2005–2006 14 0 2007–2008 20 3
Malcolm Waldron 1984–1986 23 1 1974–1983 178 10
Jack Warner 1906–1915 227 10 1905–1906 17 0
Ernest Williams 1906–1909 32 5 1912 1 0

Managed both clubs[edit]

Played for one, managed/coached the other[edit]

Women's football[edit]

Both Portsmouth and Southampton have women's counterparts. Although Southampton Saints L.F.C. has the better history, with their record 9 FA Women's Cups won and their once-star player Sue Lopez having made it all the way to the English Football Hall of Fame, most of their achievements came before the creation of the actual Women's Premiership. Portsmouth L.F.C. is a relative newcomer to the women's game by contrast.

Both teams played in the Southern Championship in the 2006–07 season. Portsmouth was a strong contender for promotion (they finished 3rd), while Southampton was relegated to the Regional Combinations. Interestingly, the former Portsmouth manager, Vanessa Raynbird, played in and later managed Southampton as well.

Major honours won by the clubs[edit]

Honours Portsmouth Southampton
Football League First Division /
Premier League
(first tier)[9]
Champions 1948–49, 1949–50 Runners-up 1983–84
Football League Second Division /
Football League First Division
(second tier)[9]
Champions 2003, Runners-up 1927, 1987 Runners-up 1966, 1978, 2012
Football League Third Division (South) /
Football League Third Division
(third tier)[9]
Champions 1924, 1962, 1983 Champions 1922, 1960, Runners-up 2011
FA Cup Winners 1939, 2008, Runners-up 1929, 1934, 2010 Winners 1976, Runners-up 1900, 1902, 2003
League Cup - Runners-up 1979
FA Charity Shield Winners 1949 (Shared), Runners-up 2008 Runners-up 1976
Southern League Champions 1902, 1920, Runners-up 1900, 1907 Champions: 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1903, 1904
Western Football League Champions 1901, 1902, 1903, Runners-up 1908 Champions 1908, Runners-up 1904, 1906, 1909
Football League Trophy - Winners: 2010

References[edit]

  1. ^ a b Juson 2004, p. 9.
  2. ^ a b Juson 2004, pp. 42–43.
  3. ^ Holley & Chalk 1992, p. 321.
  4. ^ "Southampton 2-2 Burnley". BBC Sport. 25 April 2009. Retrieved 7 May 2009. 
  5. ^ "Portsmouth lose nine points for entering administration". BBC Sport. 17 March 2010. Retrieved 8 September 2010. 
  6. ^ Husband, Tony (3 May 2012). "South-coast pendulum swings Southampton's way". BBC Sport. Retrieved 3 May 2012. 
  7. ^ a b Mitchell, Kevin (23 January 2005). "Scummers v Skates". Retrieved 2 May 2012. 
  8. ^ Juson 2004, p. 267, Table 2 (Updated for later results).
  9. ^ a b c Up until 1992, the top division of English football was the Football League First Division; since then, it has been the Premier League. Similarly until 1992, the Second Division was the second tier of league football, when it became the First Division, and is now known as The Championship. The third tier was the Third Division until 1992, and is now known as League One.

Bibliography[edit]

  • Farmery, Colin (2004). Seventeen Miles from Paradise: Saints v Pompey - Passion, Pride and Prejudice. Desert Island Books. ISBN 978-1874287896. 
  • Holley, Duncan; Chalk, Gary (1992). The Alphabet of the Saints. ACL & Polar Publishing. ISBN 0-9514862-3-3. 
  • Juson, Dave (2004). Saints v Pompey - A history of unrelenting rivalry. Hagiology. ISBN 0-9534474-5-6. 

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