Talk:8th Infantry Division (United States)

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Shoulder Sleeve Patch[edit]

A good image of the 8th ID's pacth can be found at the following URL: http://www.basher82.nl/unit%20emblem/8%20inf%20div.jpg

Further, images for other units (specifically those airborne), though not all of them are divisions, can be found at this URL: http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/airborne/patches.html --SOCL 01:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have been redesigning all the patches into SVG versions. Give me a little time, and I will eventually get to all of them, I hope. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many commanders[edit]

Why did they have 12 commanders in less than a year in WWI? They seem to have a lot in general.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Storm[edit]

The lead says they were in this war, but the article doesn't cover it at allBarkingMoon (talk) 02:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cannibalism[edit]

The article states that when the Division liberated Neuengamme they found that some inmates had resorted to cannibalism to survive. May I suggest that it be made clear that this intends to refer to scavenging corpses of inmates who had already themselves died of starvation, disease, etc.? I would not like the article to give the impression that inmates, as desperate as they were, had actually resorted to killing inmates weaker than them and then cannibalising them to survive. Thank you. Partnerfrance (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

General Davis or Davison[edit]

This is a comment I left on the user's webpage that keeps reverting Gen. Davis' name to Davison. He says he's right, and I'm not going to quibble.

OK, thank you for your comment on my page. Your reference seems helpful. I followed the link and read the article, and your source seems valid

But, when I was in 8th Infantry the chain-of-command photos had his specifically captioned "General Frederic Davis." I remember that as it was the first time I'd seen "Frederic" without a "k." Not saying I was a really strac trooper who memorized everything everywhere, but's that's really what it said where I was.

So, knowing how much history has been changed since Gen. Davis had the 8th Infantry, I'm not going to argue the point with you. But I also believe the listed dates of his command are also wrong, as I remember his photo being on the chain-of-command pictures that were outside the company's orderly room, and we had to check them every time we had guard duty in case we were asked who was in what position at that time. I was doing guard duty 'way past the end of 1973, and his picture was still there. In fact, all the time I was there his was the only photo of the division's commanding general.

I never met him, I never personally saw him, so really the only facts I have to go on was that photo on the wall. So, if there was a change in command, I never heard of it and the chain-of-command photos were never changed in that company. That's a major lapse on the part of the company's orderly room, and further, I never heard of Generals McDonough or Cleland, either. I was there until '76, and, according to Wikipedia, there were three different commanding generals during my service there. Never heard of any of them other than Davis, and his was the only photo of a commanding general I ever saw.

I was at a fairly isolated post, but when there's a change-of-command in a division, everyone knows about it. I never did, nor, apparently, did the company's commanders where I was.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you, but Wikipedia has history that doesn't match not only my personal memories, but written ones, too. So have fun with "Davison," and if I'm the one who's wrong, it's not my fault. It's whoever was in charge of the pictures.--2602:306:3600:95B0:75A5:5639:6D1D:3E15 (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Unit DUIS not added to article yet[edit]

Division Artillery DUI
Division Trains DUI
Division Support Command (DISCOM) DUI

File:3rd Bde 8th ID crest 1.jpg File:8th Inf Div Honor Guard DUI.jpg File:8th Inf Div NCOA crest.jpg Mikeofv (talk) 16:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Stroh was the only General in WW2 to be relived, then reinstated to a combat command."[edit]

The article says that "Stroh was the only General in WW2 to be reli[e]ved, then reinstated to a combat command."

This is not true and I can think of no way to refine the statement to make it true. Even if we define this narrowly to mean U.S. Army division commanders who were relieved for reasons other than reassignment to a higher or lateral position (e.g., "fired" or health/personal reasons), we should very quickly come up with examples such as Terry de la Mesa Allen and Orlando Ward who were relieved of division command but later commanded divisions in combat. (Allen was relieved from command of the 1st Infantry Division in 1943 but later given command of the 104th Infantry Division. Ward was relieved from command of the 1st Armored Division but later given command of the 20th Armored Division.) Widening the net somewhat, John Milliken was relieved from command of III Corps but later given command of the 13th Armored Division.

173.13.56.233 (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the examples cited above, I know that Leroy H. Watson was relieved of command of the 3rd Armored Division and reduced in rank to colonel. He was later promoted back to brigadier general and commanded the 79th Infantry Division. Eugene M. Landrum was relieved as commander of the 90th Infantry Division and later commanded the 71st Infantry Division. There may be others. It seems to me that the suspect sentence is definitely not true and should be removed. I'll do it.
Billmckern (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I had considered those examples as well. Watson and Landrum were restored to division command roles after the fighting in Europe had ended. So someone pushing for Stroh's uniqueness could say they didn't count because they weren't given combat commands, just occupation/garrison/demobilization commands. I believe if you look at division commanders in late 1945 you come up with a number of officers who had rough spots in their careers. Going back to the 13th Armored Division, its final commander during 1945 (post-VE Day) was Brigadier General Wayland B. Augur who'd been relieved as Assistant Division Commander in mid-April 1945 during a purge of the division's leadership provoked by a poor initial combat performance, then was reinstated about a week later. (The division commander, Major General John B. Wogan, was seriously wounded in action during this time and it's an open question whether he was on the verge of relief.) Like I said, I was trying to think of some way in which the statement about Stroh could be true. I still came up empty. So removing the sentence is the right call. Perhaps someone can articulate what was so unique about Stroh's situation. Certainly I like to read personal details.
173.13.56.233 (talk) 21:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed that content because it did not cite reliable sources[edit]

To editor Nickel nitride: Your edits violate WP:V and MOS:ICON. How are you going to fix this? Chris Troutman (talk) 21:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of the 8th Infantry Division in Fort Carson Colorado in the mid 50s[edit]

I'm curious about the history. I was an enlistee in the US Army from May 1955 until 1958. My basic training was held at Fort Carson Colorado where I was a member of the 8th Infantry Division. I have no other proof that the 8th Infantry was in Colorado, a fact never mentioned in the present test, except the shoulder patches I wore on my uniform. I'm interested in any comment on this history.


UIowagrad (talk) 20:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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