Talk:Ahmed Ben Bella

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He was not simply arrested by the french, in fact his airplane was intercepted over international waters by a squadron of NATO fighter jets and forced to land in France, which would count as aerial piracy.

I have found that he was born actually on December 25, 1916. See Algeria: A Revolution that Failed by Arslan Humbaraci, page 96.

Please cite a source for that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.88.69 (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Not an Arabic speaker?[edit]

The text says that Ben Bella couldn't speak Arabic when he tried to give a speech in Egypt, "because his first language was French, not Arabic". That is possible, but a source should be cited. Because there are other possible explanations: L'Humanité says that Ben Bella was of "Berber roots", so his first language might have been as well Berber (as for around 30% of Algerians) and his second French (taught in school). It is also possible that his first language was Algerian Arabic (as for 70% of Algerians) and that he realised that that language wouldn't be understood at all in Egypt... the differences between Algerian and Egyptian Arabic are huge, bigger than between Spanish and Italian, and probably Ben Bella couldn't speak Standard Arabic, which is nowhere spoken, but taught in school and considered the "correct" Arabic for a political speech. Can anybody give further information? I'll tag the sentence as 'citation needed'. --Ilyacadiz (talk) 18:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I am unable to verify that, but it does indeed sound like the most reasonable explanation.86.52.20.32 (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not an expert on Arabic, but see varieties of Arabic. There are serious variations between Classical Arabic, Modern Standard Arabic, and the spoken dialects. Most of the dialects are mutually intelligible, but the dialects of north-west Africa are rather deviant. So he could have spoken Algerian Arabic, it seems unlikely that he was an effective resistance leader without speaking the language of the bulk of his supporters, but have been unable to communicate with people when he visited Egypt. He may well have learned Modern Standard Arabic in prison. This needs clarification. PatGallacher (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Date of Birth[edit]

AJE says he was born in 1916 and died at 95. 72.255.58.239 (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)