Talk:Allied invasion of Italy

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Marker Page[edit]

This is just a marker page for now, which I intend to expand on over the next few days. DJ Clayworth 18:14, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

THE LAST (ROYAL) ITALIAN RESISTANCE[edit]

The Operation "Baytown" started by a huge shell-fire of the coast (one of the most important of WWII): the 211th Italian coastal division (rather weak indeed) collapsed after a small resistance: only a platoon defended Reggio Calabria. The Italian Air Force intervened by 35 fighters. However General Mario Arisio (commander of the Italian 7th Army) ordered to resist and two further resistances did happen: one in Sant Stefano d`Aspromonte (9th battalion of paratroopers)on September 4, one near Platì (8th battalion of paratroopers)on September 8. It was the last battle of the Royal Italian Army in WWII:400 paratroopers fought against 5,000 Canadians. When the Italians had no munitions any more, they attacked using rifles as Indian clubs. A few of hours later the government accepted to surrender (after a turbulent discussion in the Royal Palace in Rome and where General Giacomo Carboni asserted the necessity to reject the agreement of September 3 and to carry on the war). So the next Italian resistance in South Italy did happen on October 30 near Mondragone, when 700 soldiers of the RSI attacked the units of the 5.th US-Army. (sources: Giuseppe Marcianò, Giorgio Pisanò)

The naval battles which never took place.[edit]

Though admiral Carlo Bergamini, commander-in-chief of the Italian Navy wanted to fight, the surrender hindered the last naval battles in front of Salerno (3 Italian battleships against 4 battleships and 7 aircraft-carriers of the United Nations) and in front of Taranto (2 Italian battleships against 2 British battleships).

Cleanup & more[edit]

Hi, I'm currently working on cleaning up & refining this article, in order to eventually remove the top cleanup tags. I've done some formatting, rewriting, image locating and stuff, and I have recently added a standard infobox. Calling out to all you wiki-historians: Please help fill in missing or erroneous data! My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 00:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I will also try to merge Operation Avalanche (World War II) with this article soon...--Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 01:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have merged Operation Avalanche (World War II) with this article now, and redirected Operation Avalanche (World War II) to here, for the same reason Operation Overlord redirects to Battle of Normandy. --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 18:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the tag {{Cleanup-date|June 2006}}, since I think the cleanup need is not so dire anymore. Nevertheless, I'm sure the text could flow better, so please help out! Regards --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 18:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

Wouldn't it be more correct and consistent with similar articles to call this one Invasion of the Italian mainland (1943)? Since Sicily is part of Italy and articles about battles/campaigns are usually prefaced with battle/siege/invasion/etc rather than the name of one of the sides involved. And disambiguation for battles of the same name is usually by date. Grant65 | Talk 15:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The fall of Brindisi.[edit]

Brindisi, the provisional Italian capital, seat of the King and of Marshal Badoglio, was taken by the British on September 11, 1943.

Removal of "expert attention" tag ?[edit]

(This message has also been sent to User:Kirrages and User:Buckboard1).

I have noticed that there have been many edits in this article, and missing information has been filled in. Considering User:Kirrages's and User:Buckboard1's edits, I could safely say that you two know much more about the Invasion of Italy than I. Therefore, I ask if either one of you, or both, can assess the article, with hope of removing the "ugly" "need of attention"-tag? My feeling is that this tag is not very urgent anymore, but I personally know too little to be bold enough and remove it. I am sure you two can make a decision. My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 22:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, had the eye off the ball doing other things. In the past I wasn't sure what the etiquette was on the "needs attention" tag - had assumed maybe that whoever put it on would take it off at the appropruiate time. Still, I don't think the article merits the tag anymore so will remove it. The worst that can happen is someone gives me an earful of grief and puts it back!! Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 23:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, Kirrages! If anyone blames you, you can always blame me as the instigator... :) My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 00:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

ERRORS[edit]

According to the official U.S. Army History, a book by Albert N. Garland and Howard McGaw Smyth entitled SICILY AND THE SURRENDER OF ITALY, the name of the two aborted airborne operations were Operation GIANT I & II ( not "Operation Grant I & II" as is listed in this article).

Also according to the Garland & Smyth book, General Taylor was not at that time the 82nd Airborne Division Assistant Division Commander as is listed in this Wikipedia article. He was actually the 82nd Airborne Division Artillery Commander.

You should probably list the Garland & Smyth book in your list of sources. 28 March 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.10.13 (talk) 15:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have a copy of the book please feel free to make the suggested changes yourself (with appropriate footnotes referring to the book). Sadly I don't have a copy and it's not one of the CMH publications they have online - only a brief content summary at http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/11-9/6-2.htm - otherwise I'd do it myself. Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 17:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


Revised History[edit]

"Italian (and more so German) resistance proved relatively strong, and fighting in Italy continued even after the fall of Berlin."

While reading this article, I came across this staggering line in the "Strategy" section! I thought WW II in Europe finished with the fall of Berlin. And I thought the Italians surrendered in September, 1943. If the words " up to" replaced "even after" in this sentence, it might be a little more accurate. RASAM (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

actually a german general was hiding in the mountains, and finally surrendered a few days after berlin fell, italy's goverment surrendered in 1943, but rebels helped german troops.--75.63.2.206 (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

allied strenght[edit]

189.000 men on 16 septemper includes the men already lost? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.145.41 (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

A point was made above which does not seem to have gained any attention so re listed here, the Allied invasion of Italy must have started with Allied invasion of Sicily as the article states it launched the Italian Campaign. So the name of this article is a bit misleading Allied invasion of mainland Italy or Invasion of the Italian mainland (1943) may be better names. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)