Talk:Alternative versions of Spider-Man

Merge Proposal

No Merge Merging Spider-Man 2099 into Spider-Man is just dumb -- 69.183.15.244 05:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

They are guidelines and as such can have exceptions. Equally just because we have a list here doesn't mean everything has to be automatically merged into it - there are exceptions here already and there is no reason Spider-Man 2099 can't have its own section here and a link to the full entry using {{main}}. Looking over the character they seem to have had number of other versions themselves as well as cropping up in games and toys so I'd be comfortable with suggesting we keep this - it does need work though. I probably would vote to merge Spider-Man 2211 if anyone was interested in proposing it. (Emperor 01:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC))

No Merge mention on the page I agree with; however, I discourage a complete merge. I feel that the character is chief amongst a specific Marvel imprint, and that sigificance merits it's own page. The Spiderman 2099 is not a stub and merging it into this article would only be a disservice to that article. 66.109.248.114 23:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No Merge - as with Hulk 2099, the character and the comic have a separate significance unrelated to Spider-man and require their own article to express. Merging would lead to relevant information being left out or the over-expansion of the alternate spider-man article. Terrypin 14:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No Merge: Spider-Man 2099 was part of an alternate universe comic for 4 years, and still is used somewhat sporadically (now in Exiles). Just as there is an Ultimate Spider-Man article, there should be a Spider-Man 2099 article. Notthegoatseguy 18:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

No merge -Freak104 21:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Discussion closed with consensus of no merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man

There was a comic series called Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man.

Is somebody making notes of this?

Poison

As noted on the Poison discussion page, there are two separate marvel characters within the Poison article, one of which is the alternate whatif spider-man Poison. Within that discussion, we have decided to remove the alternate spider-man from that page, and move the content to this page. However, if there are any major objectives, the move can be reconsidered. --Darktower 12345 01:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

OMD/BND?

The story of One More Day, and every story following it, is still firmly entrenched in the core 616 Marvel universe. It is not anything more than a retcon, which is fairly common in superhero comics. I know some in the fandom don't like the retcon OMD introduced, or the stories that the BND team has told, and you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. I see no reason why this should be listed under "Alternate Versions", especially since almost every other alternate version is literally from a different Marvel Comics Universe. Notthegoatseguy (talk) 18:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Spider-Man 1602 is Dead

The Spider-Man killed by Morlun in Guardians of the Galaxy Free Comic Book Day Special Vol 1 was confirmed to be the one from Marvel 1602 by Nick Lowe: "As you said, the Free Comic Book Day 2014 story with Spider-Man 1602 was in fact first “Edge of Spider-Verse” story, and that ended not well for Spider-Man 1602." Citation: http://www.newsarama.com/21333-marvel-promises-some-wild-things-from-edge-of-spider-verse.html 154.20.96.102 (talk) 17:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

That's why you are supposed to include references when you add potentially challenged information. If you had added that reference when you first added that information, like you should have done, it would not have been removed. In the future make sure you add references when you add new information. Spidey104 13:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The Webslinger/Webswinger

Alternative versions of Spider-Man#Avataars: Covenant of the Shield says The Webslinger (notice the L) but Madame Web#Other versions says Webswinger (W instead of L, no The). Which is correct? (and how many other articles mention this version of the character and thus need correction)? As an aside, i feel like Madame Webb should redirect to Madame Web. --70.17.200.239 (talk) 06:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd have to read the original series to know for sure. The article for the mini-series doesn't say either way. Since it's a minor hardly known mini-series I'm betting we have already mentioned all of the articles this is listed on. I checked the other characters who are in the mini-series and this mini-series isn't even mentioned in their 'Alternative versions...' list. I'd bet it's supposed to be WebsWinger because you sWing a sword and he's normally called the websLinger. Spidey104 16:06, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Merge discussion

There is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK at List of incarnations of Spider-Man that should be merged into this page. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 01:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Spidey104: You seem to be very involved on Spider-Man pages. Would you agree with merging these two? Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 23:16, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't care much if the page gets merged back. But keep in mind that there are redirections of certain characters if it does get merged that need to be moved again. Mostly I oppose in prose that there is a Captain America and Batman list split off between alternate takes and mainstream takes as well. They just have different titles. This page is dedicated to alternate universe versions while the "incarnations" page is dedicated to all the characters that were named Spider-Man and/or Spider-Man family within the mainstream universe. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I oppose the merge because incarnations of Spider-Man are for characters from the same universe, and therefore are different people. The alternative versions of Spider-Man are (typically) Peter Parker as a different version in a different universe. Spidey104 01:52, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Then shouldn't "incarnations" just be a section maybe called "Earth 616" or similar) in the "alternative versions" article? juju (hajime! | waza) 02:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Change Peni Parker for SP//dr

Hello, everyone. I think that the Peni Parker character as an alternative version should be changed to the name SP//dr. Why? Because as writer Gerard Way says on this source, his "version of Spider-Man takes the shape of a government project: SP//dr". The thing is that SP//dr is made of three components: the girl named Peni Parker, the machine and a psychic spider; Peni is the equivalent to Peter Parker, but the version of Spider-Man is SP//dr. --Jorge (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Agent Spider?

While Agent Spider is clearly an unauthorized rip-off of Spider-Man, I'm not really sure if it belongs here as its not an officially Marvel-licensed version. I think it should be removed. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Agent Spider shouldn't be listed in this article. The only Spider-Man article that we could reasonably link Invincible to is Spider-Man in other media#Unofficial media, and even then I think that's a stretch. GeniusReading2310 (talk) 05:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the link to this article from Invincible and instead created an anchor for an Agent Spider redirect to the entry at that series article. This spoof should not have a section elsewhere, as this is where the most relevant information should be maintained. The "Unofficial media" one doesn't really apply here, either, as this is more of a parody like Chinnos, just completely unofficial but in a popular show. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I think Agent Spider is a grey area since while not called Spider-Man in the series for legal reasons, his (short) role is an adaptation of the Earth-616-canon Invincible/Spider-Man crossover issue of Marvel Team-Up. 91.219.238.98 (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

And yet do you have any reliable source that supports this WP:Original research? We can't just include something like this based on someone's word alone or perceived adaptations. I wouldn't even call this version an "adaptation", per say, as it is again, a spoof, parody, a copycat. It is an original character created for this series to call back to the popular Marvel character. That doesn't automatically mean it qualifies for inclusion in this article, which is for the official alternative versions of Spider-Man in Marvel Comics. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

No I mean it literally adapts the scene, replacing what was Invincible crashing into Doc Ock fighting Spider-Man into Invincible crashing into Prof Ock fighting Agent Spider. Even with one of his webs being stuck to Mark as he flies back. It adapting a very-much-canon crossover with stand-in characters should be mentioned somewhere. 91.219.238.98 (talk) 23:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

And? That's a reference. That doesn't justify including it in this article or saying the Invincible character is an adaptation of the official Marvel Comics character. That is not how this works with what an adaptation is. This is still an unofficial parody of Spider-Man, and while it references a specific comic, it is not an official version of the character and should be labeled as such in any way. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)