Talk:Amsterdam Airport Schiphol
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- 1 MAD / AMS / Frankfurt
- 2 Europe's finest
- 3 Madrid Barajas
- 4 Pronunciation
- 5 About the name "Schiphol"
- 6 Lowest airport in the world
- 7 bmibaby - costs
- 8 waysigning by Mijksenaar
- 9 Mainport
- 10 ship hole or ship hell?
- 11 Schiphol catches priest with cocaine
- 12 Turkish Airlines Crash
- 13 Gate D-59
- 14 Destinations by Region
- 15 Surinam Airways accident
- 16 Location: Haarlemmermeer
- 17 20 minutes?
- 18 File:Schiphol Amsterdam Airport Cargo Jumbo on viaduct crossing highway - Photo 2010 Wolfgang Pehlemann IMG 226en.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 19 Pier usage
- 20 Amsterdam airport needs busiest routes
- 21 London Southend Airport
- 22 New numbers
- 23 Edit request on 4 January 2012
- 24 Edit Request from Snoozlepet on 10 January 2012
- 25 No Security Checks?
- 26 Top 20
- 27 New picture
- 28 Help me out here, guys
- 29 Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page
- 30 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
MAD / AMS / Frankfurt
MAD may be growing faster than AMS and may even surpass Frankfurt, it is very important though to note that almost 100% of AMS's traffic is international and 35% intercontinental, and FRA has the highest number of international destinations, quite unlike MAD, the Madrid-Barcelona line only, occupies 5 million passengers annually, and a huge percentage are just national flights. Madrid may have an increased number of passengers, it still has a very long way to go to reach an international position like such long established airports. The fact that this year it was the poorest functioning airport of Europe (even behind Lisbon and Athens).... says enough, and Madrid can't absolutely be taken serious yet as a competitor on this level. In terms of business travellers Amsterdam has won the prize as best international airport in the world for more than 20 years, and in the eighties and nineties won the prize as best airport in the world (in general) eight times. In the USA and in the UK it is widely known as Europe's best airport. I cannot judge about Copenhagen, although I suppose it is highly efficient, I really don't think it operates on the same level either as this airport (or CDG, LHR, FRA for that matter).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) October 31, 2006.
-Considered to be Europe's finest airport
- I thought that was Copenhagen? Also, are those railway route tables really necessary?
- We can also split off the railway info to a separate article.--Patrick 02:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Done.--Patrick 12:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Madrid Barajas Airport Surpass Amsterdam Schiphol Airport as 4th busiest airport in Europe
Madrid Barajas Airport MAD become 4rd busiest airport in Europe surpassing Schiphol Amsterdam airport , even before new T4 opened.
MAD Barajas 3, 124,219 +8.5 %
AMS Schiphol 3, 031,700 +2.3%
MAD figures : http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/Estadis%20enero%2006.pdf AMS figures : http://www.schipholgroup.com/ Press Release of 13-02
In around 3 years it's expected MAD will surpass FRA frankfurt airport as 3rd busiest , once the new capacity suplyed by MAD T4 enters into full use.
- in the 2005 ICOA numbers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic#2005_final_statistics Schiphol is still leading Barajas. The story mentions 2004 as year of comparison explicitly. (It would be good to mention Barajas as one of Schiphol main competitors.)
18.104.22.168 16:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC) MathFox
- I don't think they're real competitors as they're not anywhere near each other. BabyNuke 18:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
How is it pronounced? Grouse 07:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[sxɪphɔl] I think I got all the right symbols here. The i should be as in "Chicken". Lokimaros 14:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
About the name "Schiphol"
The airport is located in the NE corner of the former Haarlemmermeer (a lake), and so with SW storms, a frequent occurence in the Netherlands, ships in trouble would be blown to the NE corner, to encounter further trouble by the shore. Hence "Ship(s) hell". Lokimaros 15:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Do you have a source? If so, I'd say: add the information to the article. Marcvangend 22:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- According to the (Dutch) FAQ on the official Schiphol site, there are more theories about the name. The most popular is the one described above, although "hol" is not hell, but an old Dutch word for grave. There are also historical more likely explanations: "hol" means "haal" a old way to transport ships. And that "hol" is hollow because it is low, like in Holland. 
Lowest airport in the world
As an American, who is not very familiar with Holland's system of dykes, I am quite curious about the sustainability of an airport that is below sea-level in an era of global warming. It also surprises me that there is a train station underneath.
What is the cost of making sure that this major multimodal transport hub is not flooded?
Sam 13:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Sam
- It is no problem, because most of the West of the Netherlands is protected by natural high dunes which are more than 20 meters above sea level. There are no dykes either because it is not necessary. The weak spots are Zeeland (South-West), the top of North Holland (smaller dunes), the northern provinces (however that's a shallow sea), and the major rivers (Rotterdam).
- The Holland (West) side can easily be sustained even if the sea level raises by 20 meters and only requires some vegetation to prevent the dunes from eroding awayy. In case of Schiphol, the only problem is that it is a former lake, so the ground water needs to be pumped away, but the chance of even the train tunnel - which is about 10 meters below the sea level - drowning is close to zero. The same applies to Amsterdam which never experienced a flood despite being below sea level and will probably never experience it either. KittenKlub 10:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- As a Dutchman, I'm always a bit surprised by this kind of question. ;)
- There are of course no separate measures needed for keeping the airport dry, the country is protected against flooding as a whole, by a complex segmented system of dykes and pumps (originally windmills) that was developed over several centuries. Cities, industries, roads and airports (with or without railway stations underneath) all benefit from it at no additional cost. The cost of the national system is of course huge (we pay waterschapsheffing - call it "dry feet tax"), but it is also an important economic activity from which we all benefit (people have jobs sustaining the system and spend the money they make, re-injecting it in the economy). Also note that the situation is not as unique as people think. Think of New Orleans - nobody considers giving up Louis Armstrong Airport.
- As for the global warming you mention: since 2008 we have a program in place that accounts for 130 cm (4.5 feet) sea level rise over the next 100 years. Basically a matter of increasing dyke height and pump capacity.
- Come and have a look for yourself if you're still wondering. Bring a wetsuit and a zodiac if it makes you feel secure, and find out that you'll take them home unused. Unless you decide to splash around a bit for fun of course. ;) Jaho (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
bmibaby - costs
The page mentions a couple of low-cost airlines saying "bmibaby (with costs steadily rising with this company)". What is the relevance of this addition to bmibaby? Is someone angry because he feels he paid to much when flying with this airline? Or should this remark suggest that bmibaby might be moving to another part of the airport soon? Marcvangend 21:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
waysigning by Mijksenaar
I think one of the reasons why Schiphol Airport has won so many awards, is the excellent waysigning system designed by the 'wayfinding expert' Paul Mijksenaar. After designing the signs for Schiphol, he got to do the signs for New York (La Guardia, JFK and Newark), Washington (Dulles), Abu Dhabi, Athens and the San Francisco subway. Mijksenaars own website can be found at www.mijksenaar.com. I think this info could be added to the article. Marcvangend 22:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Don't agree. We don't mention the airport's energy provider or cleaning company either. Perhaps you like the waysigns, personally I like the toilets. They're numerous, spacious, clean and free of charge. But it's all a matter of opinion. Jaho (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
It is stated that Schiphol is one of Europe's mainports. However, as far as I know, the word 'Mainport' is Dutchlish, not English. In my opinion, it should be rephrased.
ship hole or ship hell?
The article on Haarlemmermeer translates Schiphol as 'ship hole', whilst this article translates it as 'ship hell'. Perhaps someone fluent in Old Dutch might care to clarify? Kaini 12:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Well it's such a mess nowadays with so many flights and so little ground services it might as well be ship-hell... Butt... in old dutch the "hol" in "Holland" refers to the hollow or low land nature. Considering that Schiphol is in fact located in a depression, well below sea level, this is probably the origin of the name.
Noserider 13:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- "Hol" in Holland meaning hollow is a misconception. It stands for holt: wood. The dutch page of schiphol has three possible answers for the origins of the name, but none of them referring to wood (which is also much older than Schiphol).Joost 99 (talk) 10:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm Dutch. I would translate Dutch hol into English hole (or cavity), and definitely not as hell. As for theories about the name Schiphol, I know at least five that are going around, but I'm afraid there won't be a definitive answer. The article mentions Fort Schiphol, but that doesn't clarify anything, although of course the name of the fortification has the same origin as the name of the airport. Perhaps mention of Fort Schiphol should be removed, it's irrelevant. Jaho (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Schiphol catches priest with cocaine
Not article-worthy, but it's sufficiently funny that I thought I'd share: Schiphol betrapt priester met coke. For the first time at Schiphol, a priest has been caught smuggling cocaine. Under his soutane, the cleric from Bolivia had taped three kilo cocaine to his legs. The priest claimed the bags contained holy sand. Shinobu (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Turkish Airlines Crash
The article currently says, in the third paragraph under the heading Airlines and destinations, “Schengen gates are numbered D-59 and up, non-Schengen gates are numbered from D-1 to D-59.” That must be erroneous since it suggests that gate D-59 serves both Schengen and non-Schengen destinations. --Mathew5000 (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- That could be true, depending which way you look at it. On the D-pier there are a number of airbridges that are used by both schengen and non-schengen flights. On the top level you find the Schengen gates, and on the lower level you find the non-schengen gates. A door can connect the airbridge with the Schengen or the non-Schengen gate. The non-Schengen and corresponding Schengen gate can therefore not be used at the same time
- The first Schengen gate is D60, with the non-Schengen being D02. On airside, you would only see 'D02' As that is the physical gate where the aircraft parks.
- Here's a sum-up of the non-schengen(physical gate)/Schengen gate: D2/D60, D3/D61, D4/D62, D5/D63, D8/D64, D7/D65, D10/D66, D12/D68, D41/D71, D43/D73, D44/D74, D46/D76, D47/D77, D48/D78, D49/D79, D51/D81, D52/D82, D53/D83, D54/D84, D55/D85, D56/D86, D57/D87.
- D6 is a non-schengen bus gate. D42(non-schengen)/D72(Schengen) is also a bus gate. (Overview Gates - Blue = Schengen, Red = non-Schengen) Harbosma (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Destinations by Region
Did not want to start an edit war. Should this section go or remain on here. It was discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Destinations_by_Region but i don't think a consensus was reached. Charmedaddict (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure a consensus was reached; not a single person was in favour of retaining it for various reasons! Jasepl (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I started to remove it but it keeps getting reverted. Charmedaddict (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Surinam Airways accident
Hi, just a quick question. Should Surinam Airways Flight 764 be added as it was a flight from Amsterdam that crashed on approach to Paramaribo, Suriname? The flight originated from Amsterdam with no stops, so therefor I believe it should be added. Thanks! Zaps93 (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- Don't think so. The (probable) cause of the crash is unrelated to the originating airport. Jaho (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
The article says that the airport is located 20 minutes southwest of Amsterdam. 20 minutes of what? By plane, on foot, by car? I think the statement of those '20 minutes' is inappropriate, due to ambiguity. Loqu (talk) 15:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. And the second option given are nautical miles. Where is the point? Shouldn't it be given in kilometers? Sebastian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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Does anybody know which Piers are used by the following airlines (in the table, the pier columns are stated as ???):
Amsterdam Airlines, BH Air, MAT Airways, Sky Work Airlines, Sunwing Airlines
If you do know, please put the correct Pier letter in the right position in the table. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Amsterdam airport needs busiest routes
We know that Amsterdam airport at busiest airports in the world. But there arent any busiest routes at this airport. In my idea, Wikipedian users and admins add busiest routes, traffic and statistic in this airport. Who agrees with me? Any ideas?
London Southend Airport
Has any of the warring parties ever looked at London Southend Airport? Although it is far away from London, it is still considered to be serving London. If London Southend Airport is not a London Airport, you better also scratch Stansted as such
According to this Dutch website, Schiphol had 49.8 million passengers in 2011 (10+% more than 2010): http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL/Article.cms/Airports/Schiphol_met_bijna_vijftig_miljoen_passagiers_weer_nummer_vier_Europa Schiphol has surpassed Madrid-Barajas (again) as the number 4 airport in Europe. Because the page is protected for editing, I can't change these figures, until the (stupid) protection has been cancelled. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 4 January 2012
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I'd like to change this paragraph at the Schiphol-page:
In summer 2010, the world's first permanent airport library opened alongside the museum, providing passengers access to a collection of 1,200 books (translated into 29 languages) by Dutch authors or on subjects relating to the country's history and culture. The 968-square-foot (89.9 m2) library offers e-books and music by Dutch artists and composers that can be downloaded free of charge to a laptop or mobile device.
change into this text: In summer 2010, the world's first permanent airport library opened alongside the museum, providing passengers access to a collection of 1,200 books (translated into about 30 languages) by Dutch authors or on subjects relating to the country's culture and history. The 968-square-foot (89.9 m2) library also offers videos on Dutch culture, music by Dutch artists and composers and digital expositions by Dutch photographers and illustrators.
- Not done: Page is no longer protected. You should be able to make the edit yourself now. Anomie⚔ 21:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Edit Request from Snoozlepet on 10 January 2012
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- Done -  - incidentally, the article is not protected now - protection expired Begoon talk 01:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
No Security Checks?
I have noticed that you can get through to some gates without going through a security check. I was departing from gate D27 but I didn't have to go through any security check until I was nearly at the end of the pier. The only flights departing after the security checks were to the UK and Ireland. Do passengers travelling to other destinations not have to go through security checks? I though that this was compulsory at all EU airports. This is something which is very unusual and should be added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
- The statement that you make here is not true, at Schiphol airport everybody needs to pass the security check. Schiphol is a so called "contaminated" airport in which, for the non-Schengen area, no central security is carried out. Instead, to guarantee the security of the aviation, security checks are carried out at each gate (at piers D (first floor; except the filter starting at D21), E, F and G) individually. So yes, all passengers have to pass security check. HayoJB (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Stop reverting the new 2012 figures for the Top 20 destinations. Read the source (pdf file) coming from the official schiphol airport website. These are the 2012 figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done. The diff revealed that you missed the thumb option. —Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 22:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Help me out here, guys
Is there anyone that is interested in helping me make Schiphol a B-class article. We probably need 10-15 more citations that prove things and will not wound up having [not in citation given] tags. Who's in? Thanks guys. WorldTraveller101BreaksFixes 13:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
Should MH17 crash be included in the "incident and accidents" section? I know the plane took off from Amsterdam for Kuala Lumpur but the plane crashed nowhere near the airport (it actually crashed in Ukraine). Also, the entry is unsourced as well. 18.104.22.168 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed it as we only list incidents and accidents at or close to the airport. MilborneOne (talk) 18:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)