Talk:Arrogance (disambiguation)

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You know, I expected a psychology article here. What gives? 71.35.171.234 06:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There used to be such an article, but no could agree on what it should contain, so it was deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.33.202.2 (talk) 02:02, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Arrogance can connotate a blatant disregard for the needs and feelings of others or the rules of society or a supreme overcondifence and/or belief in one's personal superiority. Or all of the above. Arrogance is a common affiliation of psychopaths and narcissists. However some people do have the right to be arrogant, either because they actually are "all that" or they know what they're doing better than other people do. A good example of a character who is justifiably arrogant would be James Bond. Or me, lol. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So arrogance is confidence in ones abilities? Or is it overconfidence? This would imply that such a person is more likely than not to fail a task using a given ability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LogicalNerraw (talk • contribs) 03:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arrogance & adultery[edit]

According to the Bible, arrogance is like the evil of idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23) 67.155.104.82 (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The worship of oneself? (note this is not narcisism as this is being in love with oneself) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LogicalNerraw (talk • contribs) 03:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arrogance learned or a "birth defect"?[edit]

Is arrogance learned or a brain problem ."Birth Defect" No article to explain!(ManyWikieditorsseemtosufferitthough!)TheStrikingsword (talk) 09:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arrogance and hubris[edit]

With regards to merging the entries for Arrogance and Hubris, it would seem that in both their current and original contexts they are not referring to the same entity, although there is overlap. Arrogance usually is an overarching quality attributable to a person, but it can also be used to describe a policy, government, corporation, etc. Although it is not used in a flattering way, it does not carry the certainty of negative consequence. Hubris, in its Greek origins as well as contemporary use, implies that there is, or soon will be, a negative consequence to the prideful behaviour. In journalism, the word hubris is often used with a measure of hindsight, as in, for example, an assessment of how an individual perceived to be highly successful comes to some humiliating downfall which could have been avoided had it not been for an excess of pride or over-confidence on their part. It would be better, therefore, to keep the two terms (Arrogance and Hubris) as separate entities. RuffianReady (talk) 18:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a separate article for arrogance[edit]

It's not quite the same as hubris or pride. Hubris is an active, outrageous sort of arrogance, pride is more latent and under wraps, but what about the phenomenon in between? Vranak (talk) 17:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 November 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved per consensus —usernamekiran(talk) 18:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arrogance → Arrogance (disambiguation) – After working for a bit on a draft for an article on the concept of arrogance, I found that there was little to distinguish it from the existing concept of Hubris. I therefore now believe that the clear primary topic of arrogance is hubris, and that this page should be moved to redirect to the clear primary topic compared to the rather low-level set of disambiguated topics. Note that compared to "hubris", all of the disambiguated titles get negligible page views (collectively about 1% of the views that hubris gets). bd2412 T 02:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support as link to primary 'hubris'. See the {{Emotion-footer}} template which doesn't list 'arrogance' but does list 'hubris' as an emotion as a subsection of 'Pride'. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The argument makes sense and I don't see much difference between arrogance and hubris._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:02, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per sensible nom. and close quickly before someone comes and argues that Arrogance (band) should be squatting on the baseline :). In ictu oculi (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This move would make sense if this was Wiktionary, but it's WP:NOT. Arrogance is not an encyclopedic concept and even assuming that Wikipedia should take on the role of dictionary, hubris is not even the best synonym. Egotism or chutzpah would work just as well according to this. — AjaxSmack 04:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- If egotism and chutzpah were equivalents, then what we would have is a WP:DABCONCEPT, since these are not actual title matches. This would necessitate writing an article on the topic explaining how "arrogance" covers all of these. I have already started down this route, and found very little to distinguish this from arrogance. bd2412 T 04:49, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - None of this is necessary since Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The problem, insomuch as it exists, is already solved by the Wikitionary link in the top right corner of the current DAB page. — AjaxSmack 04:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wikipedia doesn't need to be a dictionary for the primary topic of arrogance to be hubris, just as it doesn't need to be a dictionary for the primary topic of any noun to be a synonymous noun, (e.g. Bereavement -> Grief, Pedal bike -> Bicycle, Endearment -> Affection). bd2412 T 05:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:NOTDICT guidline is really badly written but @BD2412: maybe including those examples plus hurricane could help make it easier to understand. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane, bereavement and bike are encyclopedic topics; endearment is not but there is no article at Wikipedia called "endearment" so no harm done. User:BD2412 has discovered that arrogance is not either. Cf. dejection, satisfaction, nice. — AjaxSmack 00:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that arrogance was not an encyclopedic topic. I said that it was too similar to hubris to merit separate treatment. If this move request fails, I suppose I will go ahead and finish an article on "arrogance" that will be very similar to "hubris" and move that here instead. bd2412 T 00:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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