Talk:Death of Tuğçe Albayrak

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Baseball bat[edit]

The allegation of a baseball bat (or any kind of weapon) having been used in the attack seems to have spread and now is all over the English and French news articles about the topic. That's not true, and not a single German source has stated anything like that, so I hope this misinformation won't diffuse into this article again. It's probably based on a mistranslation of the word "Schläger". --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that the attack took place while the victim was "to intervene in a situation between three men who were harassing two teenage girls in the toilets" is completely wrong. The attack took place outside on the parking lot. The newspaper article linked makes very clear that the "trying to help harassed teenagers" story is based on the testimony of the victim's friends, and the newspaper itself phrases this as a question and points out the police are looking for "neutral witnesses". The media just jumped on the "corageous" narrative because it makes for such a good story, its veracity is completely open to debate. The story was phrased in terms of "she helped harassed teenagers, then two guys ran after her and she was beaten down" before the surveillance video was published. After the surveillance video came out, the story had to be rephrased in much more prosaic terms. She wass still beaten to death by the guy with a record of violent attacks, but apparently the attacker's friend was trying hold him back, and a group of friends of the victim was standing by and watching the attack without attempting to intervene. The media quickly turned it into "princess killed by monster", but the reality is beginning to look more like "Turkish vs. Bosniak brawl ends badly as girl's head hits pavement". I don't know what happened and have no stakes in the story other than preventing Wikipedia picking up sob stories from bad journalism and pretending it is "encylopedic". --dab (𒁳) 12:56, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some further notes:

  • Frankfurter Rundschau did not point out that the attacker is a Bosniak native of Sandžak. What Timur Tinç is stressing is that the majority of people in Sandžak region is Islamic and considers itself as being Bosniak. And therefore it is not clear for Timur Tinç whether he is an ethnic Serb or Bosniac or whatelse. The cited source also does not say the "Offenbach police issued a statement saying they have no indication that the attack had any "ethnic background"", but it just mentions, that according to the Offenbach police there is no indication that the attack had any "ethnic background".
  • By the way Axolotl Nr.733 is right with claiming no single German sources was mentioning any "bat" and his explanation some translator might have changed "Schläger" (person) with "Schläger" (tool) sounds quite plausible.
  • I support Dbachmann's view, that "The media just jumped on the "corageous" narrative". Not only media btw, but also president Joachim Gauck e.g. But for Dbachmann's claim, "the reality is beginning to look more like "Turkish vs. Bosniak brawl ends badly as girl's head hits pavement"" there is no proof at all so far. Tuğçe Albayrak was a German (!) woman. Born in Germany, of Turkish descent. Maybe you can call the perpetrator "Bosniac", maybe not. But what makes the incident a "Turkish vs. Bosniak brawl"? Can you quote "neutral witnesses" for this - against the police's assessment mentioned above? Greetings,--Anglo-Araneophilus (talk) 22:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Der Spiegel reported, he was born in Germany. Greetings,--Anglo-Araneophilus (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple issues[edit]

First of all the above diatribe about the media jumping on a story is not the job of Wikipedia editors: determining whether a story is legitimate or not is a violation of WP:OR; here since multiple sources state as fact that the woman intervened on the half of two intoxicated women means that we should mention that. If you want to also mention a source that questions that relation of events, that is also fine, but what is not fine is an editor taking it upon himself to determine that one source is infinitely more reliable than many other sources, when there are no real distinctions between the quality of the publications. Secondly, according to this link: [1] we might want to modify punch to slap.--danielfolsom 13:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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