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Motion to Delete Article[edit]

It's way too early to begin writing about the next main Dragon Quest game, especially at the rate they've been arriving since VII. Let's hold off on this article until we get some concrete details or even confirmation that the game is under way. 65.10.61.17 August 17th, 2006 20:32 UTC

This article doesn't really qualify for speedy deletion, and I think it's useless to drag this article through deletion process. It'd probably better to turn this to redirect to Dragon Quest until the game materialises, or let it remain as a stub. There's no harm in keeping the article as a redirect until then. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 21:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TBA 2007[edit]

I haven't seen this in any of the articals, can anyone point out where it is? 74.226.227.35 21:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GAF claims that it's due out in mid '07. 66.185.73.191 22:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"mid '07" is likely mistranslation of "2007年中". Although 中 has a meaning "middle", correct interpretation is suffix usage 'during, in the course of, throughout', i.e. just 'in 2007', not 'middle of 2007'. --Kusunose 23:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's at the end of the teaser trailer on the official site. SoulSlayer 20:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Media for game[edit]

[1] has pictures of the game media on two cards. Is this real information, if it is, is it worth putting on the article?

No, it is fake. First of all, to actually have the finished cartridge ready would mean that the game is already finished, which is obviously not the case. Also, the cartridges themselves are exact copies of each other with the exception of the obviously photoshopped cartridge numbers. Where the lighting is completely off with the rest of the image 71.231.84.147 23:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two cartridges won't be necessary anyways. Regular DS cards can hold up to 1 gigabit, which is OK, but "special" DS cards holding more memory can be made according to Nintendo. The price would be exponentially higher though. --85.155.202.216 18:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot confusion[edit]

I was reading this page, and I ran across this sentence: "Dragon Quest IX is known to begin in a kingdom where angels reside, and the player is made to believe that the protagonist created by them is one of these angels." The end of this sentence is confusing, and should be re-written. I still do not even know what it was intended to mean. Is the protagonist created BY the angles? Did the Protagonist create the angles himself? I don't know. It needs re-wording, if I'm confused, others are too. 74.105.77.13 (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Development History[edit]

I think it's rather important to this article to note that when this game was initially shown At Jump Festa 2007 it was an action/rpg, but because of rumored fan outcries by the time of it's second showing at Tokyo Game Show 2008 it was changed back to the traditional turn-based RPG that the series has always been. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.185.60 (talk) 06:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's relevant. I'm not sure if it was because of fan outcry.陣内Jinnai 08:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
is there a source?., i think its very relevant to the development section Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

vague refs to retailers and analysts[edit]

I posted the attempts to remove the statements as "vague" even though they are cited as such by reliable sources on WT:VG. This is different from a claim with vague references that are outsourced.陣内Jinnai 20:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the page is protected we can hopefully hold a rationale discussion here. The ip user stated that the source (and by extension another source on the page) violates Wikipedia:No original research#Using sources, which says (bolding - my edits):

Information in an article must be verifiable in the references cited. Article statements generally should not rely on unclear or inconsistent passages nor on passing comments. Passages open to multiple interpretations should be precisely cited or avoided. A summary of extensive discussion should reflect the conclusions of the source's author(s). Drawing conclusions not evident in the reference is original research regardless of the type of source. It is important that references be cited in context and on topic.

That appears to be what he has the problem with. I am willing to go ahead and quote the actual passages which do you "some" and "one" to avoid such confusion, however their is nothing that prevents the statement from being cited from a reliable source.
Comments?陣内Jinnai 23:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IGN violates the very first sentence of Wikipedia's guidelines, "Information in an article must be verifiable in the references cited."

You shouldn't use IGN as a reliable source. This is coming from IGN themselves. In their own words, "Fact checking is not important."[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.74.88 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe that, then this is something that should be brought up at WT:VG as it has wide-ranging implications as ign.com is a core site for sourcing video game articles. This is beyond this title. You should make that claim there to remove it as a recognized reliable source.陣内Jinnai 02:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.tssznews.com/2009/03/06/ign-mocks-sonic-fans-in-podcast

Move to Dragon Quest IX: Protectors of the Sky?[edit]

ign now has an official English title and given this is a flagship title, the likelyhood of not seeing an English release is all but minuscule. Should we move it to there or redirect for now? the release date is now 2010.陣内Jinnai 22:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IGN's reliable, right? In that case, move it; it might be a good idea to wait for more sites to call it that (I didn't look so maybe they already are) though.EVAUNIT-666 11:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well basically wanted to know if we should wait for more sites. The only other name I've seen is Protectors of the Starry Sky, but those sites admit it is a literal translation.陣内Jinnai 16:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why not go ahead create the title and rediect here for the mean time? Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects from Starry Sky and Sky should be done here until we know which one, if any, are official translations.陣内Jinnai 21:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Side Quests[edit]

Interesting downloadable side quest for the game in Japan. Maybe worth mentioning[2]. Happy editing Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thought they were. I think though they've mentioned they'll be in the US also.陣内Jinnai 01:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multiplayer Question[edit]

Does the multiplayer require the other players to also have a copy of the game? That sounds like vital information to include. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.251.213 (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Iwata Asks[edit]

[3] - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone who's wondering what "Iwata Asks" is, it's a video series in which Satoru Iwata (president of Nintendo) interviews Yūji Horii (creator and head designer of the Dragon Quest series) and Ryutaro Ichimura (producer for Dragon Quest IX) about Dragon Quest IX and the history of the Dragon Quest series. It looks like it would be a pretty good source for various Dragon Quest related articles. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

100 million?[edit]

In the intro (last sentance); Dragon Quest IX set a Guiness World Record surpassing 100 million people communicating anonymously as reported on May 20th, 2010 [3]. Is this nintendo DS customers who are using the DS and the game helped achieve this level?, Im a bit confused by the statement and for that matter the source supplied for it. If anyone could clairfy it, much appreciated. Thanks Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hope that helps.陣内Jinnai 18:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name cleanup[edit]

Currently, the article uses English translations of Japanese names. IMO the article should be updated to also include localized names and untranslated Japanese names. I've added some localized terms. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yea it should.陣内Jinnai 03:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "Cultural Impact" section reads like it was Babelfished from a Japanese PR piece. Its reference is a translated interview video that uses the English translations of Japanese names. How it reads (and how it *should* read) follows:

The ability to exchange treasure maps with others has allowed the game to act as a catalyst for more social interaction. Patty's Pub*Quester's Rest*, an inn from the game, has opened as a tourist destination in Akihabara after the release of this game to help facilitate this by having known meet-up locations where players can exchange treasure maps, specifically one particular map where _characters who once during normal gameplay appear_ (makes no sense). As of 2010, people would make Akihabara a tourist destination when visiting Tokyo just to get a valuable map.

Obviously the "Cultural Impact" section wasn't updated since before the NA launch of the game, since all its data is about the JP launch. Did DQIX have a cultural impact outside of Japan? Is dressing your character up really a key moment for the feminist movement?

What say you?

Wwwwwwwwwvw (talk) 11:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Confusion[edit]

Apparently the article states that the main character is male but you create the caracter to be male or female and you could not change the clothes until you gain in level. Marc 9/21/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.69.136.100 (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. -- Tavix (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies → Dragon Quest IX – Very simple title. 2A02:C7D:564B:D300:3C1A:53BD:793E:CDDC (talk) 16:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the nonimator is blocked for block evasion and a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 115#Dragon Quest subtitles in the page name had a consensus to use subtitles.--174.91.187.80 (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Consensus in the previous discussion is not clear to me, and while noting the block of the nom I think this is harmless as long as the full title remains as a redirect and in the lede and the infobox, as currently. Andrewa (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move. (1) I agree that there was no such "consensus" at that link, 174.91. (2) The two replies above are sound. Our sources here are virtually unanimous in calling this topic "Dragon Quest IX" without the subtitle. It can be kept in the lede as the official name, but there's no reason to keep it in the title per the article title naming criteria policy. The shorter name, in this case, is the most recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify). We would need a whole lot more sources that use the subtitle prominently in order to warrant the longer title vis-à-vis the naming criteria. czar 01:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. For DQ8 / DQ9, they were always released under the same subtitle in English with no confusion. (For the likes of, say, DQ4, there's a drift in titles & the existence of a subtitle at all, so it's less clear.) Of course, I see that DQ8 was already moved, but I think that one should be moved back. czar raises fair points, and there's no dispute that the "short name" used in references will indeed omit the subtitle, and that's an argument that the main text can and should just say "Dragon Quest IX." But that isn't necessarily reason to not include the subtitle in the article title, similar to using the full name of a person rather than solely their last name. The "precise" criteria is exactly inverted, then, as the full and accurate name does indeed include the subtitle, similar to the likes of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves or the like. SnowFire (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Move back[edit]

There was no valid reason to move it, someone just didn't like have to type in the actual name of the game. It's standard to have movie and game articles to have the subtitle in the article name because it's part of the actual name. I think a formal move request should be made and have it back to the name the article had been at for 6 years (which is also the worldwide English name of the game). 67.253.250.154 (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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GA review[edit]

starting the review. It may take me some time to finish the review.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: Hi, just wondering how things are going. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ProtoDrake: I'm deeply sorry for the long wait. I had really wanted to review this, but I wasn't able to because I got severely sick. I was only able to look at a few things here and there until I got back on my feet. I'm starting the review now.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 03:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    One of the things I see in the Music section is the "audio" mentions that the soundtrack that the first disc is the original and the second disc has the MIDI versions. The source (from what I can see) doesn't specify. Is there a better source that clarifies this information? Due to WP:RSP, Guinness World Records are questioned past 2008. So I would advise removing it.
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
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  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

It's almost there, I'm still reviewing it extensively. I made some changes to the Premise in an attempt to make it easier to understand. I never played Dragon Quest IX, so if there are mistakes in the premise, I'm not against more revisions.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 23:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: Nothing wrong with your edits bare a contraction outside a quote which I've fixed. I removed the soundtrack disc specifications bit, it's not essential. For Guinness WR, I changed to an acceptable third-party source, unless you want that aspect cut from the article entirely. I also made some further edits to the synopsis (side note, writing that plot was painful due to how rediculously long and convoluted the story is). --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the Guinness World Record, it's been debated, but I haven't seen further restrictions. if another source is making note of it, then that's fine. The gameplay can be simplified further. When I read it, it can sound a bit wordy, but overall, I don't see anything that makes it fail GA. Pass.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 23:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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