Talk:Dunedin (ship)

A fact from Dunedin (ship) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 June 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Dunedin (pictured), the first commercially successful refrigerated ship, ushered in a meat and dairy boom in Australasia and South America with its first shipment in 1882?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/June.

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SS?[edit]

I thought "SS" stood for steam ship, no? Isn't this a sailing vessel ("SV")? See ship prefix. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. The article is even titled SSDunedin, although it essentially admits that the Dunedin was not a steamer (noting as it does that the addition of a smokestack for the refrigeration equipment made her look like a steamship). This error is repeated throughout the article, and reflects poorly on it.

Oh, dear. Time to fix this... Shimgray | talk | 21:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Shimgray | talk | 21:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Am responsible for the SS - I do not claim to be an expert on shipping, although I suspect things are not quite as straight forward as may at first be thought. I copied SS with reservations but uncertain of boundaries of the use from primary reference: A lasting Legacy — A 125 year history of New Zealand Farming since the first Frozen Meat Shipment, Ed. Colin Williscroft PMP, NZ Rural Press Limited, Auckland, 2007. This had more material about the ship than other sources, and authors had first hand experience of the (modern) shipping industry. I note a breif google search for SS Dunedin turns up a number of pages which name the ship as SS Dunedin. (http://www.meatnz.co.nz/main.cfm?id=105&lid=8, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0705/S00479.htm, http://www.foodweek.com.au/main-features-page.aspx?articleType=ArticleView&articleId=179, for example) However 'SS' was not used in the two other references I sued to cross check facts, which were written by historians rather than sailors. I note the vessel had a steam engine on board - for the compressor - but to the best of my knowledge this could never be used to propel her. Winstonwolfe 00:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that SS also caught out the Otago Daily Times the other day, which may have used the same source (if you're a Dunedinite, check out the small "Ship shape now" correction at the top of p.33 of Saturday (2/6/07)'s paper. As it says there: ...the SS is wrong. [The ship was] a full-rigged sailing ship, The "Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea" says the prefix SS indicates a merchant steamsip and originally stood for "screw steamship", to differentiate from paddle steamers. The smokestack from the refrigeration unit cxould have been the cause for the confusion, but since it was not used for propulsion, it is unlikely to lead to the ship being described as a steamship. Grutness...wha? 01:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth noting that removing the SS is generally erring on the side of caution - even if the ship was a steamship, it would still be correct to omit the prefix and just call her Dunedin... Shimgray | talk | 01:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, absolutely agree with waht you have done - was noting background to why it had been SS in the article, partly to show the designation issue wasn't quite straight forward, and mostly to stop me looking like a complete twit. :-). Winstonwolfe 01:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?[edit]

There are a variety of possible ways to pronounce "Dunedin" that I can think of. Can someone who knows the correct pronunciation please provide it in the article? --RealGrouchy 22:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

D'n-EEE-d'n. Same as the city. Sorry I've no idea how that would go in IPA. Grutness...wha? 01:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a pronunciation soundbite, so the mystery will be revealed. kabl00ey 20:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification[edit]

In the article, it was mentioned: "Directly the meat was placed on the market, its superiority over the Australian [frozen] meat struck us, and in fact the entire trade".

If this ship is the first ship to complete a truly successful transport of refrigerated meat, where does Australian frozen meat come from? Yosri (talk) 12:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the article earlier refers to Australian meat arriving in "good" condition - but presumably not as good as NZ's Chrismorey (talk) 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment[edit]

A B class article apart from the fact of having only one inline citation. Until that's fixed, I'm calling it C. dramatic (talk) 08:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

but less so in the mother country[edit]

That's a bit patronizing, isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.16.81 (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

absolutely not. The canned meat produced in New Zealand (and Fiji) is extremely high in fat and appeals primarily to Pacific Island tastes. The cultural predilection for high-fat foods in Pasifika communities leads to very high levels of obesity, type II diabetes and other negative health issues. I live in NZ and can assure you of this Chrismorey (talk) 03:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ship or meat industry?[edit]

There seem to be two articles mixed up here. However I can't locate a place for the NZ meat industry or refrigerated meat industry. Would a high-powered editor like to fix this? Chrismorey (talk) 02:57, 13 September 2013 (UTC) Hi, I wrote this article originally, and in hindsight see I didn't make the relevance of the meat industry para clear. I have added a one line explanation of relevance at the start of the para. My thoughts are some explanation of why the ship was historically significant was warranted, for which you need a basic understanding of the meat industry before and after refrigerated shipping, but you are right, it doesn't need to be as long as it is, and could be two or three sentences. I didn't want to do a big delete without consultation on the talk page, but if no one else objects and you wish to feel free to trim down the total length of the para if you like. Winstonwolfe (talk) 05:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is completely self-contradictory[edit]

This is completely self-contradictory:

"Although both the 'Dunedin' and [the] 'Marlborough' were sighted in the Southern Ocean after leaving New Zealand, neither were seen again."

So, the two ships were seen and not seen. Contradictory. It is also doubtful that anyone saw the ships on the South Pacific back then, unless they made stops in places like New Caledonia or French Polynesia, which they did not. Remember back then: no airplanes, no radar, no satellites, as well as no radio communications. 47.215.180.7 (talk) 04:02, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]