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|Today's articles for improvement|
- 1 Ideas for expansion
- 2 Dora the Explorer
- 3 Language straight from a 1950s history book
- 4 Anthropocentric
- 5 Time to Delete list
- 6 Update status from "List" to "Start"
- 7 Update name from "Exploration" to "Human Exploration"
- 8 Prehistoric Exploration?
- 9 Exploration in animals?
- 10 Capitol letter in section titles?
- 11 Thoughts about article improvement
- 12 To do list
Ideas for expansion
Some ideas in no particular order for expanding this article into a proper history of exploration (please add):
- Age of Exploration is heavily eurocentric, this article could be an opportunity to partly rectify this
- Exploration in mythology.
- Early human migrations as exploration.
- Early sailors, i.e. Phoenicians
- Expansion into the Pacific by Polynesians
- Exploration of polar regions
- Exploration of the Ocean floor
- Manned and Unmanned space exploration
- Exploration during the time of the Ancient world.
- Early European exploration - vikings, vinland, etc.
- Finding the headwaters of great rivers - Livingston, etc.
- Modern explorers
- Chinese/Korean exploration - they had some remarkably detailed maps before the Europeans
- Explorations by other cultures not yet mentioned.
- Political and economic consequences of exploration.
- Link between exploration and technological advancement.
Dora the Explorer
I mean, come ON.
Language straight from a 1950s history book
Can we change the language from 'discovered' to 'first European to discover' or better still, 'first to document'? This isn't the 1930s, that language seems from a bygone era. --Harburg (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- It looks like this was addressed at some point. ~KvnG 13:47, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Time to Delete list
From the discussion above, it seems many editors feel we should eliminate the list of explorers from this page. There is already a list of explorers wikipage, and apparently it is more inclusive. Perhaps the "exploration" page should focus more on what is known about the molecular and cellular neurobiology that drives exploratory behavior in, not just various cultures, but various species. Either way, it may be time to delete the explorer list from this page and focus on something else. There seems little need to maintain two lists, and I am interested to know your thoughts. Thank you. Besh (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Since there has not been objection thus far, I am beginning to formulate the transition of this page from a list to a real source of useful information for Wikiusers. It makes sense to me to retain part of the current list in a subheading titled "Notable Periods of Human Exploration" - any comments?? Besh (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- OK, I made the change and hope most editors feel it is an improvement. There is no dedicated wikipedia page that describes major periods of human exploration, so hopefully this new section here can expand organically and become something very useful and interesting to readers. Please help add references if you know/find any. Besh (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Update status from "List" to "Start"
Since the article is no longer a list, its status might be better described as "Start". The page provides interesting information, but much is lacking. Moreover, although it is well integrated into the framework of other wikipages, it is currently lacking in original references. It could become an interesting article describing the history of human exploration if proper attention is given to it by experts in the field. Besh (talk) 10:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Done ~KvnG 13:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Update name from "Exploration" to "Human Exploration"
This page is within the scope of History and Geography and should therefore probably remain human-centric. However, the act of exploration is not a human-specific phenomenon, nor is interest in exploration limited to human history. There is much known about the biology of exploration, in terms of brain circuits and molecules that contribute to this vital behavior. It might be best therefore to create an entirely new page titled "Exploration", and change the title of this current page to "Human Exploration". Thoughts?? Besh (talk) 10:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think we need to make a decision on this immediately. Let's get some content in this article first and then see how it looks. ~KvnG 13:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Is it worth including on this page a mention of the explorations done pre-historically, or does Exploration include the idea that the data or explorers from the exploration are returned to the source? That is to say, should we include Early human migration as a section here (I've put it into the See Also)? 1bandsaw (talk) 22:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think inclusion in See also is too subtle. I support discussing it in the article and have added this to the todo list. ~KvnG 13:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Exploration in animals?
The intro mentions that "exploration occurs in all non-sessile animal species", but doesn't elaborate on that statement. If this is considered to be within this article's scope, the article probably merits a section on exploratory behavior in non-human organisms. If not, it might be worth creating a page on "Exploratory behavior" or something discussing the ways in which animals familiarize themselves with their environment. Such a page could also cover information-seeking behavior in humans and perhaps in AI research. (By the way, the quoted statement is not really true, since there are some pelagic species that basically just drift around and do not actively explore in any meaningful sense.) 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed. Or maybe splitting in two articles, one related to human exploration. --22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
- Let's add it here first. If there's enough material generated, we can then consider a split. ~KvnG 13:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Capitol letter in section titles?
Thoughts about article improvement
Some random thoughts about improvement of the article.
- It needs to begin with some introduction to the concept of exploration (as the lead currently does). We need to distinguish exploration from trade or use of territory. Not all travel is exploration - if it were, the article would become hopelessly bloated. I'm not sure how we should distinguish exploration from settlement.
- I like the idea of the major sections being "definition / etymology"; "history (or notable periods) of exploration" and "methods of exploration". I'm not sure that we need "terrain and places" as well as sections that describe the history and the methods. However, what the article really needs and has almost nothing on, is material about exploration of the oceans, and of space. I admit I'm not sure how those things fit with the history / methods categorisation.
- Do we need a separate section on notable explorers, or in a top-level article such as this, confine mention of them to the context in which they appear in the "history" section? I favour the latter.
- Content that would be valuable: underwater exploration - history including work of James Clark Ross, Challenger expedition, dives of the Bathyscaphe Trieste and the Kaikō; technologies such as bathyscaphes; interplanetary exploration, including probes, and the technologies involved in delivering remote landers on other bodies (such as Mars or Titan).
To do list
I read through past and current discussion on this page and created a to do list for improvement of this article. If anything in the list is controversial, please move it to this section and discuss. ~KvnG 14:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)