Talk:Guildford Grammar School

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earlier comment[edit]

Check the Scotch web-page: - to make it comparable - there is a need for more well placed items about history, perhaps not so much about notorious alumni ?? User:SatuSuro 10:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well done![edit]

The article has recently been improved greatly. Auroranorth 09:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

Merge discussion moved to Talk:Guildford Grammar Preparatory School to keep it all together. I suggest future comments be recorded there to keep it all in one place. Thanks. —Moondyne 13:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ggs[edit]

hey, i was wondering if they owened the rights to the acronym "GGS" (or for that matter, does anybody?) Bud0011 17:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would say with almost absolute certainty - No. See GGS. —Moondyne 03:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Everything that is in the article should be referenced (except the lead - unless extraordinary claims are made), here are some things that need to be referenced:

  • 1896 founding
  • Enrollment figures
  • Tallest structure statement (history)
  • Alumni section
  • Trivia section on the GGS Chapel page
  • House system - various cups, boarding houses.
  • Co curricular activies

All facts must be referenced - you cant just say - "i go to GGS - i know this", the truth is - you prob know it is correct, but it must be backed up by a verifiable source (preferrably from outside the school) Aquinas College, Perth is a good example to look at. Smbarnzy 03:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The only 'references' here are the schools website and 3 directory entries from associations its a member of. Not good. I suggest tagging areas which need citations with {{cn}}. —Moondyne 03:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not discuss other articles (namely this) on this page, as it's just not the place. To let you in on a secret: There are no references to the following subjects:
  • 1896 founding (unless you count unreadable sources. This is 'the lead' and 'extraordinary claims' are not made.
  • Enrollment figures
  • Trivia section (not referenced anywhere, not even the Heritage Register)
  • House System
  • Co-curricular activites (A direct quote may be taken from the coordinator, but that wouldn't count, would it?)

I have seen the Aquinas College, Perth page, and not everything is referenced, but most things are. Most pages do not have everything referenced. [example], a link from the Aquinas College, Perth article, chosen at complete random. Auroranorth 11:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Try very hard despite the obvious taunts - to not involve in point by point argumnents about aquinas. Guildford has something like 4 times the refs at henrietta than aquinas - try finding a book.... SatuSuro 11:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, where it that dead-link in the AC, Perth article, i cant find it? Smbarnzy 06:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some References[edit]

Although alot of these are primary sources, its better than nothing - the names before are only suggested, but they provide valuable information:

  • 1896 Founding - [1]
  • Student Numbers - [2]
  • Headmaster - [3]
  • History section and coat of arms - [4]
  • History - [5]
  • Fees - [6] - possibly for the infobox - this is important and must be referenced!
  • House System - [7] - im not sure if this is boarding or day houses - check it out.
  • Miscellanious - [8]

Also:

  • This OneCampus project seems to be a pretty big thing at guildford and should probs be added into the article somewhere, maybe with a diagram
  • The Swan Backissues - this is a doco published by the school and might be valuable to the article [9] this is on a pick-up only basis.

If you need any other help, feel free to msg me - Smbarnzy 06:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above references are simply lifts from a single web site - and not particular much use for proper referencing of an article - as the conventions of referencing require external third party sources (ie not the school web site) for corroborative information from external soursing to satisfy WP:V and WP:N - for adequate defence against the usual arguments from good reviwers - the comment its better than nothing ignores the fact of what a more thorough referencing of an article requires within current wikipedia standards, and the use of a single web site is not general practice - and should never be encouraged SatuSuro 07:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But, if you cant find external sources for these claims/facts on the school, then doesnt that mean that the article could be in violation of WP:N? I think this article deserves to stay, but where else can we get references for it? ive done a quik google search and it isnt too promising... Smbarnzy 08:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This message will be answered later at the users talk page as it will have little to do with Guildford Grammar School article in compliance with what talk page headers ask of editors discussions at talk page SatuSuro 09:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Auroranorth Auroranorth 09:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New contributor[edit]

Just to let everyone know, I'm here to take over from Auroranorth as Wikipedia's resident Guildford Grammar School student. I've been editing for a while on my (ever-changing) IP address, and I decided to go all the way because Auroranorth got blocked for lying. I know him at school and he's rather loserish - but he got blocked for lying about pictures - lol. Anyway, I believe I can do a better job than him, and I'll see you in the future! Seventy dot 03:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

House System[edit]

Great idea! house system article! except i made one andit got AfD, SC has one and it didnt get AfD - confusing, but keep it up. I would now look to cut down that section or make it into paragraphs so it flows, look at SC or AC for examples. SMBarnZy 11:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I created this. Seventy dot 11:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ours got deleted! Apparently it's not notable, and the reference is not reliable... but it is notable and the Scotch College page has no references on their Houses page. Seventy dot 12:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template[edit]

This article has both a info box and a box of related articles, makes the introduction to the article very bulky/disorganised. I suggest that the box of related articles be made into a template (which is then placed at the bottom of this page and all of the other mentioned articles). This would improve the layout/structure of the article. Wikipedia:Template messages. For an example see University College London and Template:University College London. LordHarris 16:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Grading[edit]

Changed articles grading to B-Class given the large amount of information put into the article. Any objections, please msg my talk page. Twenty Years 18:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger - April 2007[edit]

Please see Talk:Guildford Grammar Preparatory School#Merger - April 2007 for voting - keep it all together. Twenty Years 12:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SatuSuro's opinion![edit]

Needs more history - like big school! SatuSuro 10:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I added a cleanup tag because the article really needs a re-write. The info is good, but it is disjoint. Also, what the heck is 'D&T'? Development and training? Is it mean to be 'E&T' being to 'technology and enterprise' which is what they say on their home page? I will try to take a photo next time I go past. Rob 02:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello? D+T is Design and Technology (building stuff) Auroranorth 14:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

What is the redirect for?[edit]

This article is about Guildford Grammar School, not the preparatory school. What happend to the original article contents? If the original article contents are still intact, then there is no need for the redirect, and if they are not, it is whoever put the redirect in's responsibility to restore the information about the Senior School back to it's former glory.

Which redirect?[edit]

The Preparatory School (the longer and more detailed article, may I add) is commonly called 'GGPS', so if you are talking about that, that isn't NPOV and it does not reflect a concensus.

Merger[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of a proposed merge of this article with Guildford Grammar School. Please do not modify it.. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Keep separate. I'm being bold and declaring this discussion closed and that its time to move onto more important things. —Moondyne 15:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do not think a merger would be suitable. Maybe a short piece in the Guildford Grammar School article with a main article tag would be more beneficial, as Guildford Grammar Preparatory School is rather a long article. Auroranorth 09:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

discussion moved from Talk:Guildford Grammar School
  • Merge - Does not require two separate pages. All other PSA Schools have one single page for both their junior and senior schools, so why should GGS be any different? it shouldnt. Smbarnzy 16:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC) changed view (03-03-2007) Smbarnzy 14:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the two articles have been over-devloped to a certain extent to which both will need to be edited - scoch is a good eg article - the two ggs arts could do with some cleaning up to cope wioth the mergeSatuSuro 16:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If no other PSA school has a prepatory school article, then why on Earth should guildford have one? That is my feeling, if other schools have one, then they can have one, equality - EQUALITY Smbarnzy 12:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment - you are missing the point of how things work. This has nothing to do with equality. see your talk page SatuSuro 12:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep separate - the guildford chapel, and the upper school and junior school articles can be edited to make them fit general suitable criteria - it would be up to other editors at other schools if they wanted to do the same - SatuSuro 13:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the two school articles (but keep the chapel article separate). I've struggled to find anything on the prep school which warrants an article of its own. —Moondyne 13:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment - that might also be part of a guideline from the schools project which determines single article for all schools despite their breakup into senior and junior sections. SatuSuro 13:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Maybe, but the article needs to explain why its special enough to be kept separate. The only thing that makes it a little bit different is that the prep school is co-ed. —Moondyne 13:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I would like to refer to the example of Wesley College, Perth - which is like guildford, prodominantly a boys school, but has girls to about year 3. That particular article does not have a separate prep school page.Smbarnzy 10:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Comment taken back Auroranorth 13:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, they have too much info for one cluttered article. Auroranorth 13:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep These articles are not suitable for a merge, and they both contain good information etc. Smbarnzy 14:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy[edit]

Ok, lets just get over this for the sake of good wiki-neighbourness! i want to move all the unrelated comments from the merger discussion and put them into another subsection of this merger discussion, because it is cluttering it up. Smbarnzy 10:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. Hesperian 10:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes!!! Auroranorth 10:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Moved from above discussion:
  • ... (schools like Aquinas were not created in the 19th century. Guildford Prep was created in 1926 (I think), whilst the Senior School was created thirty years before. Other PSA schools also have more Senior/Prep intergration, whilst the two schools currently have a fear for each other - it's rather ridiculous. Auroranorth 11:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Please do not make points on the merge voting pages. Auroranorth 11:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Aquinas was technically founded in 1894 as Christian Brothers College, Perth hence why Aquinas is the school that holds all of CBC's PSA Trophies .... Smbarnzy 06:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC) - This Comment was in reply to Auroanorth's comments; extract: "schools like Aquinas were not created in the 19th century"[reply]
  • Comment - Please do not make points on the merge voting pages. Auroranorth 09:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC) (UTC) (again).
    • Comment. We heard you the first time. Hesperian 10:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. Seriously, comments about Aquinas do not need mention on this page. Auroranorth 10:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
        • You were the first person to mention Aquinas on this page, Auroranorth. Hesperian 10:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Can we stop this... argument now? It's getting a bit sad to think that a closely-knit group of Wikipedians (by demographics) can argue this badly! Auroranorth 10:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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Article grading[edit]

Im not sure that this article is of "Mid-Importance" - due largely to the fact that it is the Senior school that is of any importance within the Western Australian community, in my opinion the article is Low Importance, but the senior school is of Mid Importance. Smbarnzy 13:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. This is an Australia-specific rating. In the context of encyclopaedic coverage of Australia as a whole, this article is mindbogglingly insignificant. Changed to low. Hesperian 13:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely not B-class - 4 references, all of which are self-references, and an unresolved citation needed tag. Downgraded to Start - sorry. DanielT5 18:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Are there any sources for this school that aren't published by the school. I mean I have to question just how notable this place is if the only people writing about it work there. IvoShandor 12:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tis notable ay, its part of psa. SMBarnZy 12:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Am not familiar with "psa." I guess Perth is big enough to merit articles on its schools, the low enrollment just made me wonder along with the lack of secondary sources. IvoShandor 12:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But it's not in Perth, nevermind. I don't care. It would just be nice to see some more independent sources that's all I am saying. IvoShandor 12:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is in Perth! I attend this school! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seventy dot (talk • contribs) 11:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Unfortunately, the school website agrees with seventy dot :) GGS IS IN PERTH! SMBarnZy 12:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Me confused. Is Guilford then part of Perth? Because U.S. suburbs are separate municipalities, so I lack context.IvoShandor 14:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Guildford is a suburb of Perth. IMO this preparatory school is not notable. —Moondyne 14:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The way Australian cities work, you have a city with a metropolitan area which contains suburbs - our statistical agency, the Australian Bureau of Statistics, as well as Departments of Local Government in each state, have decided the boundaries. It's used by state government authorities for planning purposes. Perth has a radius of about 60 kilometres (37 mi), about the same as Melbourne and Sydney, and larger than other cities. Orderinchaos 16:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger - April 2007[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of a proposed merge of this article with Guildford Grammar School. Please do not modify it.. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Merge. I'm being bold and declaring this discussion closed and that its time to move onto more important things. Twenty Years 12:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This preparatory school is un-notable, poorly referenced, and repeats information from the parent article. I think it would be better looked after in the parent article. Twenty Years 14:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Notablie alumni[edit]

Please note whether it is a prime minister, muso or dustbin collector - unless it is linked to an established article - red link additions will be reverted! SatuSuro 09:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

campus size[edit]

The lead says 100 acres. The history section says 100 ha. Which is correct? If both, the someone needs to explain why the size was reduced. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minor tweak[edit]

Have cleaned up some references to the founding of the school. The original text repeated itself, so have merged the paras'- Noted issues with grammar and spelling - Chops,Piggy and VJB would not be impressed! 500 words for you all!!!Sulzer55 (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Error on page[edit]

Hi there,

I'm not a wiki editor and don't want to mess anything up, so I thought I would leave a message about a factual error. The statement "Initially established as a single-sex school for boys..." is incorrect.

My great grandmother Enid and her sister Frederica, among other ladies, were students from 1896 (the year the school was founded) to 1899. Reference: https://www.facebook.com/GuildfordGrammarSchool/posts/from-the-archivesguildford-grammar-school-from-1896-2021-celebrating-125-yearsin/1748560701979321/ 2401:7400:4023:9EA7:8D9A:707C:8113:8E72 (talk) 05:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, that is interesting. I can't find anything in online newspapers of the time that we could use to support this, but hopefully someone following this article will have access to one of the books about the school's history and can add this. Tacyarg (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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