Talk:Introduction to Solid State Physics

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Move to general name[edit]

Hi @Captain Calm: thanks for taking initiative there. The reason I had it named that ways is to not confuse potential readers looking for an introductory article on CM, if that's not a big deal then that is cool. Also, there is one more book with the exact same name that is notable enough to receive an article and I will probably do it soon, but this is definitely the more notable of the two (the other one is referred to as Ashcroft and Mermin almost exclusively). So I suppose this is fine if no one else has any objections. Footlessmouse (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to suggest some mention of Ashcroft and Mermin, but note that the title is not the same. Their books is just Solid State Physics, with no Introduction. I suspect both books are used as textbooks, though I don't know how popular each one is. I think we can mention here that it is also used for introductory level courses. As far as I know, upper level undergraduate or lower level graduate courses. Gah4 (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@@Gah4: Yes, I am actually about to start Ashcroft and Mermin, which will be titled as such as that is what everyone calls it. I was going to go though and make references to it on the other textbook pages once I have it built, but feel free to add it a little disclaimer about it. You can even leave Ashcroft and Mermin as a red link, I'll have the page ready in a couple days. I am not sure about their relative popularity, but Kittel has WAY more historical notability, and therefore much more significant coverage. Footlessmouse (talk) 18:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. I suppose historical notability since it was there first. Well, I suppose I am biased as the course I took used A&M, but also when it was fairly new. Kittel gets updated from time to time, but usually they don't start over from the beginning. Anyway, both books are used and so need articles. Gah4 (talk) 18:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As you note, it is always called Ashcroft and Mermin, but then again this book is always called Kittel. Gah4 (talk) 18:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good point! I also used A&M as primary, but I used Kittel as a reference. The problem is, from what I understand, Kittel has several books that are referred to as Kittel, depending on the subject, Quantum Theory of Solids is also sometimes used in CM and he has books on Thermal Physics, Mechanics, and Elementary Statistical Physics. So I just gave it its official title. I have no problem with the page being moved to a more common name if I am wrong about that, though. Also, I noted the historical notability mostly because the reviewers stated that Kittel helped define the field with his textbook, which was published very early on in the history of Solid State. Given both of us used A&M, I would venture to guess it is more popular now, though. Footlessmouse (talk) 19:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gah4: In light of this conversation, I rather quickly threw together the article Ashcroft and Mermin, I will continue working on it for a few days, but would appreciate any help or comments if you have the time. Thanks! Footlessmouse (talk) 03:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that, by choosing the content to include in his famous 1953 textbook Introduction to Solid State Physics, Charles Kittel helped define the field of solid-state physics? Source: Cohen, Marvin L.; Cohen, Morrel H. (1 October 2019). "Charles Kittel". Physics Today. 72 (10): 73–73. doi:10.1063/PT.3.4326. ISSN 0031-9228.
  • Exempt from reviews with only one credit. Is a new article.

Created by Footlessmouse (talk). Self-nominated at 23:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • I will pick this up later tonight. Looking forward to reviewing. Ktin (talk) 22:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to go. Hook is interesting. Passes all other checks. I have assumed WP:AGF for many offline links. But, I don't foresee an issue. I prefer the original hook even though more verbose. Question to the nominator, can you edit rows 21 and 22 of the TOC and have the topics added on the RHS. Currently they are conspicuous by remaining empty. Cheers and good luck. Ktin (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for closer Feel free to change "that, by choosing the content to include in his famous 1953 textbook Introduction to Solid State Physics" to "that, by choosing the content to include in his famous 1953 introductory textbook on the subject" to avoid repeating Introduction to Solid State Physics. My apologizes for not adding this before the review. Footlessmouse (talk) 21:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but the paragraph under Publication history needs at least one cite per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 23:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah:, at your request, I have removed the summary of the publication history, as it summarized the lists below it, there were no references for it, everything was verifiable by the lists below it and common knowlege. Please note, as it was a summary of all the other book citations below it, it did not ever violate rule D2, but I removed anyways. Thanks. Footlessmouse (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you. I saw that the paragraph was mentioning it was up to the 8th edition, while in the list you have a 9th edition. Restoring tick per Ktin's review. Yoninah (talk) 01:04, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two dead links from Wiley[edit]

Hi all, and @Ktin:, Wiley has a problem with dead DOIs and URLs lately, I'm seeing it everywhere. Also, the nature.com repository that holds DOIs for many of the Scientific American articles does not work right now either. The article can be found on Google by using the journal, volume, issue, and page numbers provided, but it doesn't really update the references, we can remove the URLs and DOIs for now until they start working again. Footlessmouse (talk) 03:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Footlessmouse, are you thinking we replace them with other references? Ktin (talk) 03:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ktin: those are the correct references, you find all the articles on Google and when you plug in the URL into the cite tool, it changes to match the DOI which does not currently work. They are book reviews, we can't change them out with anything else, but they are German book reviews, you can make an argument on this page that they are not particularly necessary. The problem exists on many other pages, though, so for now I had planned on just leaving them and hope the problem fixes itself. Footlessmouse (talk) 04:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Footlessmouse, sounds reasonable. Hence, I had marked AGF in my notes. That said, I think this is good to go forward. Ktin (talk) 05:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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