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Table problems[edit]

I tried to clean up some table format issues - Montgomery AL was listed twice, and there are still some data problems (Montgomery data is inconsistent between the various sections of this page). This page needs help!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.242.205 (talk) 19:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Many cities not listed[edit]

This list is very incomplete. Something should be added to the article to say this. The racial makeup of East Orange, New Jersey was 89.46% as of the census.

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.205.92 (talk) 06:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC) 
It only ranks cities with over 100K people. East Orange has 68K people. Maybe the list could be expanded to include smaller cities. Hypertall (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo[edit]

Why is Buffalo listed twice?

I just noticed the same thing. There seems to be something wrong with this list. What's its source? Carlo (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

New York City[edit]

In addition to listing NYC as a whole, someone has added the boroughs of Brooklyn and the Bronx, which haven't been independent cities since 1898. Does anyone want to justify their inclusion, or should they be removed? Eco84 | Talk 01:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Kansas City, Kansas[edit]

Also missing: Kansas City KS. Over 140k people, over 30% African American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.121.23.91 (talk) 05:32, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ibadibam (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hartford,Connecticut[edit]

Where is Hartford,Connecticut? It's black population is 38.5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.184.15 (talk) 21:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Resolved Ibadibam (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Wilmington, DE[edit]

Wilmington, DE - 56.49%

The list has smaller cities than 100k. It's just a poor list period. It needs to be redone and updated to the info from the recently released 2010 census. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe84323 (talkcontribs) 00:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Dubious section: Cities whose population is at least 23.7 % African American[edit]

I reverted this edit because of the WP:SHOUTing. This exchange ensued on my user talk page, in which an editor named James, editing anonymously using IP 24.13.132.99 said:

Please refer to page 14, table 6.

If the author wishes to exclude those who are Black or African American in combination with some other race from the "African American" category, they should mention so. The figures shown on the table on that page correspond to the figures reported for individuals who are "Black or African American alone".

Some other issues:

1)Houston, TX (African American Alone Population: 498,466) somehow failed to make it onto that table despite having a higher African American population than Memphis, TN which is in fact on that table. Houston is actually almost exactly 23.7% African American Alone according to the 2010 Census numbers. 498,466/2,099,451 = 0.2374 = 23.74% > 23.7%. Regardless, the term "at least" implies that a figure need only be greater than or equal to it to qualify.

2)Let's even forget that for a second. Let's look at Dallas, TX. Total Population: 1,197,816. African American Alone Population: 298,993. Composition = 298993/1197816 = 0.2496, or 24.96%. Clearly above 23.7%. Yet no mention in the table.

3)Table lists Boston, MA with an African American population of 193,551. 2010 Census Brief says 150,437.

4)Indianapolis, IN: 829,718 total population, 226,671 individuals who are African American Alone. 226671/829718 = .2732 (rounded), or 27.32%. 27.32 > 23.7. Yet it's not on the table.

5)Columbus, OH: 787,033 total population, 220,241 individuals who are African American Alone. 220241/787033 = .2798 = 27.98%. 27.98 > 23.7. Yet it's not on the table.

There could be many more that I've missed. Unfortunately, I am still young and dumb so I still have an exam to study for and a media plan to finish.

This is why that table is inaccurate and why it probably shouldn't be relied on.

While this was going on, I added a couple of sections to the table article, citing a supporting source.

I then added a {{dubious|section}} tag to the disputed section. This talk page section is intended as the venue for discussion about that. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

List of U.S. Cities with large Mutant-American populations[edit]

Please separate the list of cities with large Mutant-American populations. These should be separate from the general population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.109.7.89 (talk) 13:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

xD 82.141.119.12 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Dubious section response[edit]

I know for Boston, MA there are many Afro-Dominicans in the city, that might account for the African American Latino population. African-American alone in Boston is about 22.4% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.182.49 (talk) 01:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Cape Cod, MA?[edit]

It seems to me that both a figure of over 700,000 people and one of 80% of afro-american people, are not correct at all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstable_County,_Massachusetts#Demographics

Can anyone tell me whether I am wrong or not? Filippo83 (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

That's because that data is for Detroit. Someone vandalized the page, and it's reverted now. Dralwik|Have a Chat 03:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

New York missing from 25% list[edit]

New York has 27.2 if counted with the first column, and 25.5 percent with the second column, yet it is missing from the lower list. 82.141.119.12 (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Missouri City, Texas has 41.8% according to Wiki[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_City,_Texas

Demographics

As of the census[1] of 2010, there were 67,358 people, 20,228 households, and 16,711 families residing in the city. The racial makeup of the city was 24.9% non-Hispanic White, 41.8% African American, 0.4% Native American, 16.2% Asian, and 2.9% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 15.3% of the population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.117.7.28 (talk) 02:49, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Rejected: This list is limited to cities of 100,000 people or more. Ibadibam (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Brockton, MA[edit]

31-33% AfAm, 90k people?.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.252.185.241 (talk) 18:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Rejected: This list is limited to cities of 100,000 people or more. Ibadibam (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

"African-American" is the wrong term for the article and others similar. Here's why.[edit]

The statistics of the sources on which the article rely are inclusive of the entire Black population -- not just Black Americans -- residing in the United States.

Put another way, while the census asks whether one is "Black, or African-American, or Negro," this is not identical to "African-American" expressed in isolation. These statistics are counting not only U.S. citizens, but all local residents. -- RVJ (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

The definition of African American as established on Wikipedia is "citizens or residents of the United States who have total or partial antebellum ancestry from any of the native populations of Sub-Saharan Africa." The terms "Black American" and "Afro American" are considered functionally synonymous. There is further clarification that some recent immigrants may identify with those terms. This article may be a bit different, as it uses U.S. Census data so probably should be explained to use the Census definition, which is "Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "Black, African Am., or Negro"; or report entries such as African American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian." I will add a footnote in an attempt to clarify. Ibadibam (talk) 02:05, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Other ordinary Wikipedia articles do not establish policy. You just may have indicated a problem in another article.
A reliable source for the definition of English words chimes in:
African American (n.) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/African-American?q=African+American
American (n.) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/African-American?q=African+American
The very fact that reasonable people (and dictionaries) can dispute the meaning of "African American" makes it an inferior term in this context, used alone. At first, I myself skipped this article believing it pointed to data other than what I was looking for: I cared about race, not nationality, of the resident count.
(I may go up and live in Canada for a while: this alone does not make me Canadian, as I have neither heritage nor national status there. Likewise, a Ghanaian working in Virginia for some amount of time on a visa quite likely is not thinking of herself as American. Neither is international law.)
"African American" is fine in this context when it is offered in addition to Black, as in "Black or African American." For a great many, if not most, if not all, readers, "African American" alone applies to a smaller circle in the Venn diagram. -- RVJ (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Other ordinary Wikipedia articles do not establish policy. You just may have indicated a problem in another article.
Articles don't establish policy, but Wikipedia must be consistent, and two articles shouldn't contradict each other. The definition at African American was arrived at by a consensus of editors working from reliable sources. If you object to the definition, then you're absolutely right that Talk:African American is the place to debate it, and not here.
I don't pretend to know whether "African American" is more or less precise than "Black". The data presented in this article treats the terms as synonymous, and that's beyond our control. I agree that we should be clear that "African American" as used in the data does not necessarily mean "American citizen" in this context, and I think your solution of "Black or African American" satisfactorily clarifies the situation. Ibadibam (talk) 18:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)