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MS City of Rayville[edit]

This ship is listed twice, in 8 November and 9 November. -LtNOWIS (talk) 01:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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An IP editor (86.134.84.224) added the following to the article on 21 January 2018. "Have only looked over November 1940(UK coastal waters) part of this, but I fear it has errors

1)The merchant ship "SNA8" was British, not Free French, owned and registered.

2)The coaster "Ability" was mined off Clacton, not bombed.

3)I doubt very much if the several merchantmen ("Corsea", "Colonel Crompton" etc) listed as bombed by He 115s of a German "coastal" gruppe or staffel were so attacked. He 115s did not fly right into the Thames Estuary in broad daylight in November 1940, as they would have been easy meat for nearby RAF fighters from Rochford, Manston, North Weald, Martlesham etc, by now guided by CHL (Low-level) as well as Chain Home radar. He 115s had attacked convoys off Lincolnshire, the North East and Scotland (mainly in autumn of 1939), but not in Thames Estuary a year later. The RN convoy and other reports and RAF Operational Record Books make it clear that Ju 87 divebombers, Heinkel 111 bombers, Me 110s, and sometimes Ju 88s, or Do 17s, were responsible. The He 115 was a slow, lightly armed, seaplane, suitable for torpedo-launching against unescorted or lightly escorted merchantmen, and quite unsuited to the sea-air war taking place within RAF 11 Group and RN Nore Command in November 1940.

Now confirmed--German High Cmd communique, 11 Group records, and convoy reports all say raiders were Stukas (Ju 87s)."

Leaving here for discussion. Mjroots (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@86.134.84.224: and Jpfoynes - can you give details of your sources please? Mjroots (talk) 15:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for the 3 corrections above (NA=National Archive) :

ABILITY--Nore Command War Diaries ADM 199/375 (NA); Admiralty Minesweeping Records ADM 199/1172 NA) ; Clacton Coastguard and RNLI records (held locally); Admiralty Daily Summaries ADM 199/1961 (NA); HMSO Shipping Losses (publshed book); Lloyds Losses List (NA Library)

SNA8--Lloyds, HMSO List, though ADM 199/1961 says it was FORMERLY French.

BOMBING IN BARROW DEEP (CORSEA etc). AIR 28/525 RAF Martlesham station record book (see also Debden and Hornchurch); AIR 27/234 17 Squadron Ops Record Book; Fighter Cmd War Diary; FS and FN Convoy Reports (all NA); also German newspapers (digitalised) such as "Marburger Zeitung" and "Deutsche Zeitung in Niederlanden". Stuka Geschwader 3 was responsible for most of these East Coast shipping attacks.

ABILITY and the East Coast Stuka attacks feature in my 1995 book "Battle of the East Coast 1939-1945" (see British Library Catalogue). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpfoynes (talk • contribs) 16:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]