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- 1 Literature and Genre Fiction
- 2 Opening paragraph
- 3 What about Law?
- 4 (although, under circumstances unpublished sources can be exempt)
- 5 Huge problem with article
- 6 Goethe's Early Faust Novels?
- 7 Article needs an overhaul
- 8 talking back............
- 9 Overhaul Plans
- 10 Are encyclopediae literature?
Literature and Genre Fiction
Right now, the article states briefly that genre fiction may not be considered literature. As this is one of the big debates in the literary world and has been for some time (with Dorothy Sayers fighting for some crime/mystery novels to be considered literature and Kurt Vonnegut more successfully so with science fiction), the article should at least mention that there is strong disagreement on that point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
What about Law?
It mentioned everything from poetry to essays, but shouldn't it mention Law (or should it)?
- I just wanted to thank whomever posted the original part about law. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 12:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
(although, under circumstances unpublished sources can be exempt)
Huge problem with article
- Some of the statements in this essay, I wouldn't call it "article", are biased and POV to the point of it being hilarious.
- The above sentence I have removed. It is grammatically incorrect, racist, and makes no sense at all. "Vernacular" writing is not LITERATURE?!!!!!
- There are some huge, severe other problems with the way this article has been written, and I am warning the community involved in advance here of a massive rehauling that is coming up on literature. Because when I do so, I hope you will comply and don't you dare edit war.
- It should be noted that the word "literature" is often used to mean a certain canon or a high class of writing. For example:
1. Familiarity with letters or books; knowledge acquired from reading or studying books, esp. the principal classical texts associated with humane learning (see humane adj. 2); literary culture; learning, scholarship. Also: this as a branch of study. Now historical.
The only sense in Johnson (1755) and Todd (1818)
3. b. Without defining word: written work valued for superior or lasting artistic merit.
- OED, 3rd ed. online
- Many would be confused if we called any speech, utterance, or baby-talk "literature", even if it is recorded in writing somewhere.
- That said, there are many literatures and jargons, vernacular and majestical, native to regions and peoples, as real as any.
I think there is a lot that can be done to improve this page, which I also found to be problematic, to put it mildly. As a literature professor and scholar in the field, I'm concerned that this page is inaccurate, incomplete and a very biased article which does not reflect current thinking on the topic. I'll collate some references and see if I can learn what the issues have been through reviewing the history of the literature page. If anyone has any insight, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. (Note, I'm new to Wikipedia, so if I've violated any protocols, please let me know-- but be nice!) Vochek (talk) 23:10, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Goethe's Early Faust Novels?
In the section called History, which has many lacunae, particularly between the ancient world and the 19th century, "the German Faust books" are called an early example of the novel. I am assuming that the image of Goethe to the left of this paragraph indicates his Faust is what is being referred to here, although I'm not entirely positive; this because the statement strikes me as completely false. Gulliver's Travels, written 70 years before Faust, was an early novel. Faust (1808) is in verse, and was written only a few years before Sense and Sensibility and The Red and the Black. In other words, the novel was already becoming established, growing out of romances and short fiction, and Faust is not part of that history. The psychological issues explored in Faust may have influenced later novels, but that is a different matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Article needs an overhaul
The article is confused enough to be close to misinformation, IMO. I'll try to copy edit a bit in the coming weeks. Could use help from people comfortable with literary history, theory, etc... Beyond the English language, even better. OttawaAC (talk) 23:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
the subject of literature is an advanced subject for people who read.
I plan to incorporate the following changes to the article (as part of the Core Contest):
- Model the article around the FA Law, as another topic with an expansive scope
- Drastically reduce the size of the Poetry section, which should be included under the topic of techniques/major forms; also to incorporate material from the FA Poetry
- Add a section on Literary theory and Literary criticism
- Add a section on Literary awards
- Add a section on Definition of literature
Are encyclopediae literature?
Given the definition(s) in this article, are encyclopediae literature? More generally speaking, are either reference works or compendia non-fiction literature that should be mentioned in Template:Literature or do they lack 'literary merit'? Maybe the template is missing an entry about written works that merely provide factual information? --220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)