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Orphaned references in Madonna singles discography

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Madonna singles discography's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dutchyear":

  • From Like a Prayer (song): "De Single Top 100 1989 Over" (PDF) (in Dutch). Radio 538. MegaCharts. Retrieved 2011-06-26.
  • From Express Yourself (Madonna song): "De Single Top 100 1989 Over" (PDF) (in Dutch). Radio 538. MegaCharts. Retrieved 2011-06-26.

Reference named "spain":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Me Against the Music

Hi! Madonna is featured on Britney's Me Against the Music single. This should be added! Szaboci (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

This has been added now. Thanks. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 10:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

MTV source for UK sales figures

Can any one of these figures be confirmed by sources from either the BPI or OCC? The MTV UK source for sales figures seems to raise more issues than it resolves: why is it that "Holiday" sold almost 800,000 copies and received just a Gold certification (800,000 is well in excess of Platinum in the UK), why is "Material Girl" cited to have sold over 400,000 copies, when it's certification cites 200,000 copies sold. And I seriously doubt a song like Gambler is her 21st best-selling single ever - over the likes of Live to Tell, Open Your Heart, Express Yourself, Cherish, Justify My Love, Ray of Light, etc. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:39, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

They are inline with Music Week and OCC also, just they are more updated. And you must not be aware, songs like "Holiday", "Gambler", "Material Girl" etc were released before 1989, when BPI gold = 500,000 and platinum = 1,000,000. Now do the math for the certifications. As for the doubt over the best-selling thing, surely you, as an editor of music articles and Madonna articles, must know that singles sales dwindled rapidly in UK post Reagan eras and during 90s was the worst of it. Coupled with the fact that "Gambler" was a pretty sizable hit in UK, soagin there the math says. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 04:30, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Intro

"As of August 2005, Madonna had sold over in excess off 75 million singles worldwide, and by February 2008, she had increased the total to more than 115 million."

What kind of joke is this? There's NO way she sold 40 million singles in less than three years. As of today, she hasn't sold over 115 million singles either. These numbers are absolutely inflated. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 10:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I just checked it, the references are well-sourced with reliable third part outlets, Wikipedia does not report the truth, but verifiable information available as it goes. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 10:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Bubbling Under

Just curious -- why are Madonna's "Bubbling Under" chart appearances confined to awkward, hard to navigate footnotes? Hitting number 5 on the Bubbling Under charts is equivalent to hitting 105 on Billboard, and it would certainly make this site more navigable to reflect that in the body of the discography. Joel Whitburn's officially licensed Billboard chart books treat "Bubbling Under" appearances as being indicative of chart positions #101-135 as a matter of course....so why not here? 70.30.84.214 (talk) 02:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You answered your own question. The Billboard Hot 100 only counts songs from 1 to 100, from 101 to 125 is the Bubbling Under. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Er, no I didn't. Billboard itself sanctions the Bubbling Under positions as #101 to #135 (depending on how many Bubbling Under entries appear that week.) So why does this discography force the user to go through contortions to find out where certain singles actually placed on the US charts?
In other words, instead of making it look like a song didn't chart at all (until you scroll way down to the footnote), why not simply indicate a song charted at #105, and still keep the footnote explaining the logic of the "Bubbling Under" chart? 70.30.84.214 (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Because the chart is listing the singles that appeared at Billboard Hot 100, not Billboard Hot 125 (or 135). Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but WHY? There's no need to only list the Hot 100, when Billboard itself compiles lists of the top 125. 70.30.84.214 (talk) 04:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week, and there have been no replies to this. So it seems that nobody has any logical arguments as to why this illogical policy is in place -- so I guess it's time to change the material in the article itself... 70.29.14.129 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe I went a week on vacations. The "logical argument" I already gave it, but seems like you don't get it or don't want to get it. The current chart is about the BH100 ONLY. The BH125 is there just for information, but the name and the correct chart is only the Billboard Hot 100. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Nope, you did NOT make a logical argument....until you linked to the WP policy. I asked WHY the policy was in place, and your answers contained no helpful info whatsoever -- until you posted that link. Now that I see this is WP policy (and not just something arbitrarily dreamed up by the guardians of this page), I can go to the WP policy page and make further inquiries there. 70.29.14.129 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I think this issue depends largely on who has taken it upon themselves to "police" a particular artist's pages. For example, on this page, it would seem that it is completely unacceptable to list anything beyond #100 on the Billboard charts, whereas for other artist's, it's fine. I was just visiting Aretha Franklin's discography page and was interested to note US positions beyond 100. In my opinion, whoever oversees the page has handled this beautifully, by including the following under the chart grid:

Note - US chart positions below #100 were compiled from Billboard magazine's Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles and Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Singles charts.

Is there any reason why this wouldn't work for Madonna's discography? I await replies with interest.121.223.80.144 (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

'Other Charted Songs'

Most other artists have a 'other charted songs' section on their Wiki pages (Beyonce, Michael Jackson etc.). Madonna has a number of non-single's that have charted in certain countries due to strong Digital download. MDNA had the Non Single "Gang Bang" chart in France due to strong download at 93 http://lescharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Madonna&titel=Gang+Bang&cat=s & US hot Dance/ Electronic songs at 30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Bang_(song)#cite_note-bb-4

Furthermore, With Madonna's new album Rebel Heart being release in 'sections' non singles are more likely to chart in countries. "Unapologetic Bitch", "Bitch I'm Madonna" "Ghosttown" & "Illuminati" have all charted in France and other counties http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Madonna/Unapologetic-Bitch-sc34898.html

These are her other charted songs. I'm not really good at tables, so, if somebody wants to do it:
  • 1986: "Over and Over" - Italy (49)
  • 2008: "Beat Goes One" - Canada (82), Finland (15), US Pop (not Hot) 100 - 97
  • 2010: "It's so Cool" - Finland (8), Italy (20), Sweden (30), UK (107)
  • 2012: "Gang Bang" - France (93), , South Korea (90), US Dance/Electronic Dance Songs (30)
  • "I Don't Give A" - South Korea (117)
  • "I'm a Sinner" - South Korea (175)
  • "Superstar" - South Korea (141)
  • 2014/2015: "Devil Pray" - France (62), Spania (50), Switzerland (59)
  • "Ghosttown" - France (70), Spain (41), Switzerland (39)
  • "Unapologeti Bitch" - France (91)
  • "Illuminati" - France (92)
  • "Bitch, I'm Madonna" - France (90), Spain (49)

Alecsdaniel (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Girl Gone Wild

Could an ARIA (Australian) #93 peak for this single be added please.

Source: http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/23790/20120416-0000/Issue1154.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.130.168 (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2015

There is an incorrect entry in terms of the highest chart position in the UK singles chart for Human Nature by Madonne.

The single debuted at number 8 which was its highest chart position. This is official chart data as used by the BBC and Radio One at the time. It currently incorrectly states that it had a peak position of number 5.

Thank you

86.46.172.121 (talk) 14:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing this out. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Promotional Singles + Other Songs: Chart Peaks!

Now, I've noticed that almost every musician has a table for charting peaks for promotional singles and other songs, minus Madonna. I took the songs listed and added their peaks below. I wanted to hear what others had to say about adding this to the page. I think this would be a beneficial addition to the article!

I guess I didn't realize that someone already suggested this. Still, I'm looking for thoughts and comments. Thanks again, Carbrera (talk) 05:23, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes I definitely support the chart peak additions. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Support - but is there a way we could differentiate the remixes? Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
@Homeostasis07: Would notes work better? Carbrera (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@Carbrera: No, I don't think that's necessary. We could just disambiguate to the actual remixes that charted. I've disambiguated two of them (the Peter Rauhofer remixes) below, so maybe we could work out the other three – "Buenos Aires" (Remix); "Sky Fits Heaven" (Remix); "Nothing Fails" (Remix) [for the latter, I suspect the Mount Sims Old School Mix from the Remixed & Revisited EP, but I can't find a source to corroborate] – before committing this to the main page? Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@Homeostasis07: I agree, what you're doing looks really good. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
If possible, is this ready to go into effect yet? Carbrera (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Go for it. Sorry for the delay. I meant to have this done by now, but I've really not been online much these past 10 days. You can add this to the main page now, and hopefully sometime before Christmas, I'll scan through the Billboard archives and try to find which of the remixes charted. Homeostasis07 (talk) 02:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Great. I'm just gonna leave this here for now. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 05:08, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Promotional singles

List of songs, with selected chart positions, showing year released and album name
Title Year Peak chart positions Album
US
Dance
[1] 		FIN
[1] 		FRA
[2] 		HUN
[3] 		ITA
[3]
"Now I'm Following You"[S] 1990 — — — — — I'm Breathless
"Erotic"[T] 1992 — — — — — Non-album single
"The Girlie Show"[U] 1994 — — — — — The Girlie Show World Tour
"I Want You"
(with Massive Attack) 		1995 — — — — — Something to Remember
"Buenos Aires" (Remix)[V] 1997 3 — — — — Evita
"Sky Fits Heaven" (Sasha and Victor Calderone's Remix)[W] 1998 41 — — — — Ray of Light
"Impressive Instant" (Peter Rauhofer's Drowned World Dub)[X] 2001 1 — — — — Music
"GHV2 Megamix"[Y] 5 — — — — GHV2
"Into the Hollywood Groove"
(with Missy Elliott)[Z] 		2003 — — — — — Non-album single
"Nobody Knows Me" (Remix)[AA] 4 — — — — American Life
"Imagine" (Live)[AB] 2005 — — — — — Non-album single
"Mother and Father" (P. Rauhofer Remix)[AC] 9 — — — — Remixed & Revisited
"Broken"[AD] 2012 — — — — — Non-album single
"Superstar"[AE] — — — — — MDNA
"Hold Tight"[AF] 2015 — 28 92 27 37 Rebel Heart
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory.

Other charted songs

List of songs, with selected chart positions, showing year released and album name
Title Year Peak chart positions Album
US
[1] 		US
Dance
[1] 		CAN
[1] 		FIN
[1] 		FRA
[2] 		ITA
[3] 		SPA
[4] 		SWI
[4] 		UK
[5]
"Physical Attraction" 1983 — —[AG] — — — — — — — Madonna
"Sidewalk Talk"
(Jellybean featuring Madonna)[AH] 		1985 18 1 — — — — — — 47 Wotupski!?!
"Over and Over" 1986 — — — — — 49 — — — Like a Virgin
"Each Time You Break My Heart"
(Nick Kamen, written by Madonna)[AI] 		— 5 64 — 8 2 — 2 5 Nick Kamen
"Love Won't Wait"
(Gary Barlow, written by Madonna)[AJ] 		1997 — — — 16 — 5 1 23 1 Open Road
"Love Profusion"[AK] 2004 — 41 — — — — — — — American Life
"Sing"
(Annie Lennox featuring Madonna)[AL] 		2007 — 18 — — — — — — 161 Non-album single
"Beat Goes On"
(featuring Kanye West) 		2008 — — 82 15 — — — — — Hard Candy
"It's So Cool" 2009 — — — 8 — 20 — — 107 Celebration
"Gang Bang" 2012 — — — — 93 — — — — MDNA
"Devil Pray" 2014 — — — 16 62 43 50 59 — Rebel Heart
"Unapologetic Bitch" — — — — 91 — — — —
"Illuminati" — — — — 92 — — — —
"Iconic"
(featuring Chance the Rapper and Mike Tyson) 		2015 — — — — 114 — — — —
"Joan of Arc" — — — — 92 — — — —
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory.

Notes

  • S ^ Originally to be released as the third and final single from I'm Breathless, with remixes commissioned by Mark Saunders, it was cancelled due to the release of The Immaculate Collection.[6]
  • T ^ Promotional CD available with the 1992 publication, Sex. This version was created at the end of the Erotica sessions and includes additional lyrics not available on the album version. These lyrics were also used in the William Orbit remixes on the "Erotica" single.Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).
  • V ^ Originally to be the fourth and final single from Evita, remixes were commissioned from Pablo Flores and Javier Garza but the release was cancelled and only available as a promotional 12" vinyl. The remixes charted on the Hot Dance Club Play at number three.[7]
  • W ^ From the 1998 studio album Ray of Light. Remixes by Victor Calderone and Sasha appear as B-side to the 1998 single "Drowned World/Substitute for Love". Commercial release led to the remixes charting on the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play chart at forty-one.[7]
  • X ^ From the 2000 studio album Music. Remix by Peter Rauhofer from his live compilation album Live @ Roxy Vol. 4, reached the top of the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play chart due to heavy club play. Promo one-track in-house CD was sent to clubs including the Peter Rauhofer Universal Club Mix.[7]
  • Y ^ A remix featuring snippets of the songs on the 2001 compilation album GHV2. Remixes by Thunderpuss charted on the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play at five. Other remixes were created by Tracy Young, Johnny Rocks and Mac Quayle.[7]
  • Z ^ A remix of "Into the Groove" and "Hollywood" featuring Missy Elliott. It was created as part of a commercial campaign for clothing retailer GAP and copies of the promotional CD were given away to customers.[8]
  • AA ^ From the 2003 studio album American Life. A promotional 12" vinyl with remixes by Peter Rauhofer, Above & Beyond and Mount Sims was sent to clubs and charted at four on the Hot Dance Club Play. Later some of the mixes were released on the "Love Profusion" single in Europe and also on the remix compilation Remixed & Revisited.[7]
  • AB ^ Madonna performed the cover of the John Lennon song at the Tsunami Aid: Concert of Hope in January 2005. Her performance was available as a digital download on the Sony Connect website the following day of the concert. All proceeds from the downloads went to the American Red Cross charity.[9] This version was later included on the live album I'm Going to Tell You a Secret and another live recording on the 2005 promotional Q Magazine Presents John Lennon Covered given away as a free gift CD with Q magazine to celebrate Lennon's 65th birthday.[10]
  • AC ^ From the 2003 studio album American Life and Peter Rauhofer's compilation Live @ Roxy Vol. 4. His remix charted at nine on the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play.[7]
  • AD ^ Written by Madonna, Paul Oakenfold, Ian Green and Ciaran Gribbin and produced by Madonna and Oakenfold. The song was recorded during the Celebration sessions. Icon official fanclub members were given a special 12" vinyl single of the track with unique artwork as a part of their membership. It was announced in August 2011, but was actually supposed to be given as a gift in 2010. The single was eventually given to members in late 2012.[11]
  • AE ^ Released on December 3, 2012 in Brazil as a special edition free CD with Brazilian newspaper Folha de S. Paulo. The accompanying artwork for the single was created by Brazilian graffitist Simone Sapienza who won a contest sponsored by Johnnie Walker's Keep Walking Project in Brazil, she was chosen by Madonna after being among ten finalists.[12][13]
  • AF ^ Released as a promotional single to Italian radio on July 24, 2015
  • AG ^ "Physical Attraction" entered the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play at #3 alongside her single, "Burning Up".
  • AH ^ Recorded and released by record producer John "Jellybean" Benitez, as a single from his album Wotupski!?!. Madonna wrote the song and is featured on the chorus. It also appeared on the compilation titled 80's Dance Hits.[14]
  • AI ^ Performed by Nick Kamen from his self-titled debut album. Madonna wrote and produced the song with Stephen Bray, and sings the backing vocals.[15]
  • AJ ^ Written by Madonna and Shep Pettibone, the song was recorded by Gary Barlow and released as the second single from his debut album Open Road.[16]
  • AK ^ A remix of "Love Profusion" topped the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play, but the actual single peaked at #41.
  • AL ^ Performed by Annie Lennox on her album, Songs of Mass Destruction. Madonna sang one verse and back-up vocals with 22 other artists.[17]

Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 02:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

certification

get together and sorry are gold in italy [[1]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.108.233 (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

That link is no where a reliable content for certification unless it comes from FIMI. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

there is no official web to fimi till 2009 that certificate the songs

Infobox capture

Quoting: Madonna performing "Music", her most recent number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100, at the Rebel Heart Tour (2015–16).

The work charted 16 years ago. Rephrasing to "last (to date)" than "most recent" would definitely be more accurate. MiewEN (talk) 12:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for catching it, you are right. —IB [ Poke ] 13:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
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  6. ^ Clerk 2002, p. 84
  7. ^ a b c d e f Trust, Gary (September 18, 2009). "Ask Billboard: Madonna, Yoko Ono, Gospel". Billboard. Retrieved October 8, 2009.
  8. ^ Strasburg, Jenny (July 25, 2003). "Bands to fit the brand". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved September 25, 2011.
  9. ^ "Stars lend a hand for tsunami relief". MSNBC. Associated Press. January 18, 2005. Retrieved January 18, 2005.
  10. ^ "Lennon: The Official 65th Birthday Special". Q. Bauer. November 2005. Archived from the original on April 4, 2013. Retrieved August 1, 2012.
  11. ^ "2010 Gift – Here It Is!". Madonna.com. August 28, 2011. Retrieved August 28, 2011.
  12. ^ "Single "Superstar", de Madonna, ganha versão remix e sai com capa feita por brasileira". Folha de S. Paulo (in Portuguese). December 1, 2012. Retrieved December 2, 2012.
  13. ^ "Leitores da Folha recebem "Superstar", o novo single de Madonna". Folha de S. Paulo (in Portuguese). December 3, 2012. Retrieved December 4, 2012.
  14. ^ Kellman, Andy (April 3, 2007). "80's Dance Hits – Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 14, 2009.
  15. ^ "Nick Kamen – Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved February 9, 2010.
  16. ^ Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. "Open Road – Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved November 21, 2009.
  17. ^ Chamberlain, Daryl (October 5, 2007). "Aids fight inspires singer Lennox". BBC (BBC Online). Retrieved December 7, 2009.
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