Talk:Marlene Dietrich

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And when did she marry? 1923 or 1924? And when was her Daughter Born?[edit]

Same type of issue as above. This article has shown her as marrying in 1924, but now we have an apparently bona fide source for a marriage date of 1923. Though there are others which say 1924.

And while this article has been showing her daughter as born in 1924, I see that there seem to be a good many sources giving a 1925 birth date.... Nandt1 (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Just to emphasize the point a bit, I am concerned that many of the online sources are likely to be unreliable here. I say this because I have seen how they contradict each other, and also because I think there is a danger that they corrupt one another -- one copying another. Is there a really solid dependable print biography of Dietrich that one could rely on to get these dates straoghtened out? Nandt1 (talk) 00:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, but I agree with you about online sources: I consulted several today and was left feeling unsure about the daughter's birth date. Until someone with good library access happens on the scene, it might be acceptable to insert a parenthetical note that there sources diverge on this point. Rivertorch (talk) 05:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Per the above suggestion, I have annotated the footnotes for those dates which seem to be in contention, so as to warn readers. I see this as a stopgap solution until someone with access to impeccable sources can sort out this confusion. I knew there had been some murkiness over Marlene's birthdate -- one would expect that(!) -- but had no idea it extended to so many other dates. Nandt1 (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Add to the list of contested dates, whether her father died in 1907 or 1911. Nandt1 (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

marlene loved peanuts — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • According to biographer Steven Bach, Dietrich married Rudolf Sieber in 1923: "Marlene and Rudi met in late 1922 and were married on May 17, 1923, in the registry office of the Berlin suburb of Friedenau..." (Bach, Steven. "Marlene Dietrich: Life and Legend". University of Minnesota Press, 2011. Page 62.)
  • On page 65: "Maria Elisabeth Sieber was born December 13, 1924 ... [t]he baby was called Heidede within the family..."
  • Page 19: "By the time Marlene was six she was in her fourth home, and then suddenly a fifth, at which Josephine [Marlene's mother] listed herself in the growing Berlin telephone book as "Dietrich, Josephine, Ww.," or Witwe -- widow." Bach says "there is no extant official record" of Dietrich's father's death, but notes that "the year before his death he and Josephine had separate telephones at separate addresses, suggesting the love match (if it was that) was over" and that "Marlene later said she had known her father only as a 'shadowy silhouette', which is not surprising if her parents had separated before she reached shool age". Seems that Louis Erich Otto Dietrich's year of death was 1907.

TonyPolar (talk) 23:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Dietrich's date of birth[edit]

In reading one of the sources provided for information concerning Dietrich's citizenship application, I noticed that the source also gave a different birthdate, indirectly, than the one provided in the entry. The Telegraph Herald of Dubuque, Iowa from March 10, 1939 indicates that, according to Dietrich, "she was born in Berlin 33 years ago". Is this merely an example of Dietrich lying about her age, a very common practice in Hollywood in those days, or is it simply an error in reporting? None of the other sources I have looked at on the web indicated anything other than the 1901 birth date, however, it is curious that a newspaper would seem to be indicating that Dietrich's date of birth was 1906. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

She was always faking her age. In 1951, when she was turning fifty, she complained that a magazine had quoted her age as forty-seven. She insisted she was only forty-four. ("I was very young when I married...") For years, a birthdate of 1904 was regarded as the official one, until someone eventually discovered the true date. (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Abortion & Jimmy Stewart[edit]

I've just read that she became pregnant to James Stewart during the filming of Destry Rides Again. She told him, but he just walked away, and she was left to arrange an abortion. Anyone know about this? -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Dietrich awarded the Medal of Freedom[edit]

The article and its source states she was awarded this medal in 1945. I thought the Medal of Freedom didn't come into existence until 1946.TL36 (talk) 08:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)