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News reports that officially there is no ex-communication by community as whole but only by mufaddal[edit]

However there is no official confirmation from Dawoodi Bohra community on the alleged ex-communication and progressive members have called a banned on this practice citing it as illegal[1]

References

Advice unheeded[edit]

Summichum has reverted the topic Without discussing immediately the other day (after editwar notices resuming his old behaviour)[1] to avoid 3RR. unheeding advice of the Admin Bjelleklang.[2]. Summichums conduct is very unethical. I can revert it back, but that would start editwar again and I want to avoid it. Pleasei advice.Rukn950 (talk) 06:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I have discussed it on talk page as shown above , and you should not remove content from reputed news sources to conceal information and present a biased POV with COI.Summichum (talk) 06:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Please see section 3 above, where Rukn950 replied to you three days ago, arguing against the material as it's repeated. You have not responded to this, and simply starting a discussion doesn't give you permission to start reverting again. Let me ask a couple of key questions here; why do you insist on having a source about the controversy that was published before there even was a controversy? And why do you want the link under see also when it's already present earlier in the article?Bjelleklang - talk 10:05, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Summichum Why are you assuming me as biased with POV and COI at every discussion. can we not talk in mature manner?Rukn950 (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Bjelleklang thanks for intervening , here are the answers:

Ans1: The sucession controversy existed even before the death of Burhanuddin and the source link substantiate it, I have many other links like [3]which also prove that succession controversy existed even before his death and the two factions existed in cold war fashion even before the death, Burhanuddin himself knew this but did not do anything.

Ans2: The see also link is a pointer to other related article , the notability of Mufaddal saifuddin is defined solely due to the succession controversy , before this he was not known and nothing was printed about him in news sources, even before the death of burhanuddin his name appeared only regarding the succession conflict[4] Summichum (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Summichum, that was not the question. Kindly explain why you want this to insert in the Mufaddal Saifuddin article when it is already given in the Article Specially created to address this issue53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra)(though that article is not exactly neutral,that's another issue). why repeat? This only creates confusion. and the link of article you have given as reference is written way after the demise of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.Can we not treat Wikipedia as what it is, an encyclopedia? because in tying to prove our point we sometime forget that.Rukn950 (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

You are purposely trying to focus on a strawman to deceptively hide your bias , I would request admits to see his case on the COI noticeboard.

Same can be said about you Summichum, but we are not here to argue about that, are we?Rukn950 (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The link posted is dated Apr 30 2013 way before Burhanuddin died. Which proves that the controversy existed far before his death . and regarding ans 2 then it is sufficient justification for including the link as mufadal becomes notable solely due to the succession controversy. Summichum (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry I misread the date.but as per the fact Mufaddal Saifuddin was appointed as successor two years before demise of Syedna Muhammed Burhanuddin.But that doesn't answer my question. and I am sick of your assuming that I have bias opinion. can you not simply answer my question?Rukn950 (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC) Further I would Like to add that the notability of Mufaddal Saifuddin is NOT due to controversy issue. you can just type his name in google and verify the fact. why you want to stress this point again and again? What is Your Motive?Rukn950 (talk) 07:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Your criticism against Dawoodi Bohra and Mufaddal Saifuddin at every occasion cherry picking references and misrepresenting facts at every article doesn't seem to be Biased?Rukn950 (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC) I have come to notice that you are undermining the references which are not against DB and related.not giving equal weight-age.Rukn950 (talk) 07:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I would request Summichum to read WP:AGF.Rukn950 (talk) 07:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Caption of the Main image[edit]

Please notice that the user User:Summichum is captioning the image as "saifuddin(la)". He/she says that it means left adjacent, however I doubt that is the intention. la is an abusive term, in the concerned culture. I changed "la" with "l" for left but my changes were reverted. Editiors please take note. At the same time, I must ask User:Summichum to be cautious in this regard. DistributorScientiae (talk) 08:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@DistributorScientiae: Interesting. What exactly does "la" mean? And which culture/language is it from? EdwardH (talk) 13:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@EdwardH:"la" is a commonly used abbreviation for "lanat", which in Arabic implies damnation. It's commonly used in Shi'ite texts to address dissidents. For example Satan(la) or Yazeedla. This is very commonly known, so I doubt User:Summichum's sincerity. Plus, I never knew la stood for left and adjacent. Who could have guessed? DistributorScientiae (talk) 16:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

thats a false accusation , besides I have seen even this single (l) to be used to denote "lanat" so does it mean that? there are many cases where same abbreviations mean different things in which case we need to see the context where it is used , here the context is clearly to denote positional attribute.Summichum (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Appointment as Chancellor of AMU[edit]

User:Summichum please check the following sites. These sources confirm that Mufaddal Saifuddin has been appointed as the Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University.

Amu.ac.in has confirmed his appointment here. amu.ac.in Zon (talk) 12:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)