Talk:Nazi zombies

Inclusion of TV shows and video games

It feels weird to me that TV shows and video games aren't listed while feature films are, someone should add them. Here are the ones that I could find, but there are almost certainly more:

Video games:

Call of Duty: Zombies

South Park: The Stick of Truth

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

Wolfenstein 3D

Wolfenstein: The Old Blood

Zombie Army Trilogy

Zombie Army 4: Dead War

TV:

Everybody Hates Hitler from Supernatural

Hunters (2020 TV series)

92.18.39.193 (talk) 19:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Nazi Zombie Talk Section

Why are all those films listed on the page (current revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazi_zombies&oldid=791553812)? Also the page should say that Call of Duty Nazi Zombies is known simply as "Zombies". --NoToleranceForIntolerance (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

The films are listed on the page because they are where this genre came from, before video games existed. --ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 00:56, 07 December 2019 (UTC)

"Horrors of War" is a 2006 film. It had an article page written about it back in 2009. I tried to improve the overall quality of the article about that film.ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 15:54, 04 January 2020 (UTC)

Frankenstein is a zombie

Frankenstein's Monster is a zombie. He was undead flesh that was returned to life. The Magic the Gathering card game card, "Frankenstein's Monster" had the creature type errata changed from "Summon Monster", to "Creature — Zombie". That is some outside evidence that Frankenstein's Monster is a zombie. The film "Frankenstein Conquers the World", is a Nazi Zombie movie. It had Nazi Germany giving the undying heart of Frankenstein's Monster to the Japanese during WW2. Not all Nazi Zombie movies are like "Shockwaves", or "Dead Snow". Some of the early ones such as , "Creatures with the Atom Brain or The Frozen Dead", or "They Saved Hitler's Brain", are different than more modern films. They however, are still Nazi Zombie films too. Same as any film that trays to resurrect Hitler. They also count as Nazi Zombie movies. Resurrected Hitler is the same as Zombie Jesus. Both are zombies coming back from the dead, technically. Please stop deleting information, it was correct in the first place.ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 13:13, 19 April 2020

Sorry but sourcing your material from Magic the Gathering really isn't reliable. Usually when the zombie subgenre is discussed, Frankenstein, despite being a resurrected being, is not usually included. Again, everything you do is based on original research which is not allowed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

On further research, The Year's Work at the Zombie Research Center]' published by Indiana University Press, discuss the topic stating in Shelley's novel, the monster speaks, reads literature, feels things, experiences qualia, etc. But "Frankenstein isn't really representatie of a zombie text" and that the creature is more of an influence on future zombie works.So no, it shouldn't be included. Despite what a card game says. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Not all zombies are mindless flesh eaters like in Zombie Apocalypses films. Or mindless minions in Voodoo films. Some can think, and talk. The Zombie Master in "Land of the Dead" could think for himself. There is a Nazi Zombie film, "Frankenstein's Army". Many Nazi Zombie films are inspired by the story of "Frankenstein". It was in the pop culture of the 1930s with the Universal film. It inspired most of the Nazi Zombie horror movie genera. Mad scientists conducting experimentation to bring back the dead. Very Doctor Frankenstein. I also think, The Monster, should be just a monster. But the Magic Card was only mentioned to state that there are many out there that do consider The Monster to be a Zombie. Please do not remove the Frankenstein related Nazi Zombie films from the list. They do relate to the subject of Nazi Zombies. Those films are Nazi Zombie related.ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2020

Frankenstein's Army is a Nazi Zombie movie. "The genre became a popular topic, with the popular trend of zombie films in the 2000s, which included films such as Horrors of War, Dead Snow, and Frankenstein's Army.".ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2020

Your arguments are primarily original research, which I've stated before several times does not fly, you have to back up your research with sources. This is why I suggested you not understanding the rules of wikipedia, you have to bring that to the talk page here. Despite other films such as Day of the Dead having the occasional intelligent zombie, its a rare exception amongs the hordes of the undead. I don't think things should be included to the genre pool here if they are only tiny elements. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Not original research. You even gave me a source that mentions the film "Frankenstein's Army" in relation to Nazi Zombie movies. Frankenstein's Monster maybe just a monster, but it does relate to Nazi Zombie movies, and I have also mentioned that there are some that think it is a zombie. Such as Wizards of the Coast, and players of Magic the Gathering, where it is considered a zombie. Should have stayed a monster, but they changed the card text to zombie. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 16:52, 19 April 2020

References

Sourcing

This article is completely unsourced. It's also describing itself as a WP:SETINDEX, for which we wouldn't normally require sourcing. However listing films here is subjective, not WP:BLUESKY obvious, and thus does require sourcing. This is not a set index, it's much closer to List of Nazi zombie films. See also Category:Nazi zombie films. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

See, "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Set_index_articles". This is a set index article (SIA), that deals with all the Nazi Zombie related subject matter. This is a list article, not a normal type of article. Please learn what you are talking about before making edits that are in error. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 10:31, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

It's a list article. For which we need sourcing. Your additions here, Jojo Rabbit, are clearly contested already. I don't recall The Boys From Brazil having any zombies either, although I'd be happy enough with "Nazis as a horror trope" for scope. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:19, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

The movie "The Boys From Brazil" involves the resurrection of Adolf Hitler. It is the same logic of Jesus Christ having been resurrected and being "Zombie Jesus". It falls into the logic of it all. It is relevant to the subject matter. The film "Jojo Rabbit" has an undead Hitler with a bullet wound to the head. Jojo had been told that Hitler had blown his brains out, and latter there was a portrayal of Hitler as an undead zombie or ghost. It was all in Jojo's mind, but technically it was a portrayal of an undead Hitler. Some might see it as sort of a stretch, but I feel it is relevant to the subject matter. I will say that I didn't include the "The Kidnappers" 1967 episode of "The Time Tunnel". It had Aliens from the year 8,400 A.D. stealing Hitler from 1945 and scanning his brain into their computer database. It involved only time travel, and might have only latter resurrected him as a virus in their computer system. I tried to only include relevant pop culture subject matter. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2020

I'm agreeing with the user above. As genre is subjective, we need to specify which films have the topic at hand. Not to mention the list contains details that are unsourced (years released, etc.). Its not obvious to a person that a film contains the subject at hand just by seeing a title so you'll need a source for the following: when the item was released, and its content. The lead itself describing its topic is also unsourced. So far, this article does nothing a category does not accomplish. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Specifically, it should follow the rules per WP:SOURCELIST, Lists, whether they are stand-alone lists (also called list articles) or embedded lists, are encyclopedic content just as paragraph-only articles or sections are. Therefore, all individual items on the list must follow Wikipedia's content policies: the core content policies of Verifiability (through good sources in the item's one or more references), No original research, and Neutral point of view, plus the other content policies as well. Although the format of a list might require less detail per topic, Wikipedia policies and procedures apply equally to both a list of similar things as well as to any related article to which an individual thing on the list might be linked. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ZombieHorrorMovie13:, I am pinging you here to notice my message. You have been adding original research by adding themes and genres from films without them being a) attributed to the genre. You've removed my cited statements on the genre, and removed banner tags by copying and pasting a statement say I'm making a mistake but haven't shown any rules I'm breaking. Per WP:SUBJECTIVE, genre is subjective and you'll need sources describing films as this genre here. and as stated above in WP:SOURCELIST, you'll need citations for these films and various forms of media. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Please stop making edits that consist of Vandalism to this list article. You attempted to butcher the opening of the article, and requested sourcing, for a List Article. You seem to not know what you are doing, by making mistakes while editing, and attempted vandalism. The vandalism has been undone, and will continue to be undone. Please try to make constructive edits, without attempting further vandalism to the article. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2020

I've added cited material to an article with no sources and added banners that note the errors in the article. As it is, the article ignores WP:RS WP:OR, WP:SUBJECTIVE and WP:SOURCELIST. Can you explain why it doesn't need to follow these rules @ZombieHorrorMovie13:? Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I am following the rules.  : See, "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Set_index_articles". This is a set index article (SIA), that deals with all the Nazi Zombie related subject matter. This is a list article, not a normal type of article. Please learn what you are talking about before making edits that are in error. Also, please stop attempting vandalism to the article. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 09:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how where I vandalized the article. I removed unsourced intro and added sourced statements. Where's the vandalism? In fact, adding sources makes it follow your page you linked where it states "The list topic has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." and that each item in the list "Its inclusion of items is supported by reliable sources.". I've read this page before and I've read it again now, and just by adding titles as you have been doing it hasn't been stating the following (There should be enough information on each item to differentiate it from the other items.) from the rule page you stated. Again, your page you provided supports my edits more than your removal. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:32, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

You changed the opening of the article to, "Nazi zombies are a small theme of horror films." That is not correct. It goes beyond being a "small theme". It also has to do with Video Games, and Comic Books. You were simply doing vandalism by trying to delete information. The article is written from a Neutral point of view. It has information about the horror trope that is found in films, video games, and comic books. You however seem to be just another vandal, trying to butcher everything. And, yes I have read WP:RS and WP:SOURCELIST? WP:SOURCELIST. I am following the rules for a "List Article". Please learn what the hell you are doing, and stop trying to do vandalism. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 09:32, 17 April 2020

How is it not correct? THere is no reference in the article to what you are speaking about, so that falls under WP:OR. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

You refuse to admit that you attempted to do vandalism to the opening of the article that was already written from a Neutral point of view. You attempted to delete how the Horror trope has to do with comic books, and video games. You also attempted to have a bias point of view by saying it was, "a small theme of horror films.", when it has to do with more than just horror films. And, again, this is a List Article. It lists all Nazi Zombie related Movies, Video Games, and printed materials. This is a List Article, and doesn't not need to be sources. You seem to not know what the hell you are talking about. You are just trying to do vandalism to the article, and butcher it in general. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 09:44, 17 April 2020

Writing from a neutral point of view is good, I'll agree with you there but you can't ignore other rules when doing that. I think you'll have to provide back-up that the genre is important in other media, because so far it's all WP:OR. Can you explain why you don't need sources? Maybe copying and pasting the part in the talk page here. Otherwise, I'm sort of hearing the WP:ICANTHEARYOU, as you seem to be repeating yourself, and not responding to how adding sourced content fails. I did my research, I added sources, and they were promptly removed. I'll try to ask again though, please copy + paste the specific rule I am breaking here.Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

(Failure or refusal to "get the point") Does seem to apply to you. You fail to understand that this is a List Article. You should understand, "moving on to other topics would be more productive." Also, "Believing that you have a valid point does not confer upon you the right to act as though your point must be accepted". You did not act in good faith, by attempting vandalism to the article. I have already posted the information link about List Articles. Please, go away, and stop attempting vandalism. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 09:57, 17 April 2020

Asking me to "go away" isn't exactly civil. You don't own this or any article on wikipedia and neither do I. I've read your link you posted, and it says the opposite of what I think you are trying to say. Again, I'll ask a second time, I would ask you don't refer to me in every response as a vandal. Like you, I am trying to improve the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I try my best to add information to the list article "Nazi zombies". It lists the Films & Television, Video Games, and Books & Other, sources of Nazi Zombie related materials. I have tried my best to make it a better, more complete list. Other people keep coming along to vandalize the page, and delete relevant information. It is so hard to try and make a single article better when others just try to keep tearing down my efforts. I have tried to do non bias contributions, and list all the relevant information in the list of "Nazi Zombie" horror pop culture sources. Someone even tried to claim a copyright issue on the image of a "Nazi Zombie" that was shown on the article. I was 100% the creator of that image. There was no copyright violation, but the image was deleted anyways. I made a Nazi Zombie horror movie. I was just trying to make the article better by listing all the Movies, Video Games, and Comic Books that relate to Nazi Zombies. To make it a better list article.ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2020

Again, I appreciate your effort to add it but you need sources to back it up as we don't post original research on wikipedia. Reading your profile page you seem to think if anyone edits or changes your edits, they are vandalizing, but you have yet to follow some of wikipedia's bigger rules (i.e: providing a source, avoiding original research) or even having lists that contain more information than just a title. I've asked you what extempts you from these rules, but you have ignored the rules I've suggested to you. I'm not sure what more there is to say other than I'd ask you again if you can show what rule specifically states that you are exempt for adding sourced content? For example, I find very little evidence that the genre you speak of involves comics. This is niche, despite you saying its not. What sources do you have to back this up? Andrzejbanas (talk) 09:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Again, Bad People came along and deleted a good article, "Don't Play No Game I Can't Win" was a good article, and A-Holes deleted it. I do not "seem to think if anyone edits or changes your edits, they are vandalizing". Some people changed my edits for the better. The vandalism is deleting information, or whole articles. You came here to this article, "Nazi zombies" and deleted information from the intro. You also are just trying to tear everything down and delete it all. If you want your sourcing requirements, how about you add them to the article yourself? How about you go google search all the movies, TV shows, Video Games, and books, and do all the sourcing for them. Instead of deleting information and whole articles. How about you try to be a good constructive person, and not a negative bad destructive person? The only problem here is you attempting to vandalize pages, and delete them all together. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 10:46, 19 April 2020

I did add sourced comments. You removed them (as can be seen here) As for sources, if you want content you write on wikipedia to stay, per WP:ONUS, its up to you to add sources for your own content you provide. Not others. Content without sources should be not be included. What's the benefit? Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I left your Fascist "Rules-Nazi" needs sourcing banner. But, please just stop from deleting the relevant information to the article. I still feel that the Needs Sourcing banner is vandalism to the page. It is added to say that something is wrong with the article. Added by someone that isn't trying to make the article better. Added by someone that just wants to rub dirt onto the article instead of cleaning it up to make it shine. If you wanted to make it better, you should have instead have done your own research to add sourcing, that only you seemed to want in the first place. Instead, you just wanted to rub dirt onto the article to make it worse, by slapping your banner onto it. Anf, that isn't all you tried to do. You also tried to delete relevant information, besides adding the banner ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2020

The sourcing you used was wrong. "Zombie Lake" and "Oasis of the Zombies" are not late 1970s films as your source says. They are films from the early 1980s. You used a source that had wrong information. I was trying to do a re-wright, with correct information. But you keep changing it to the wrong information from your source. How about you let me do a more correct re-wright, without deleting all the relavent information?ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 14:33, 19 April 2020

I'll be happy to remove technical information out of the place, but saying late 1970s films isn't incorrect as its not clear when these films were shot. But i'll be happy to remove that bit. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

You now have it poorly worded. There is "and the late European films", which makes no sense. All you are doing is butchering the article opening. You took out mention of Shockwaves 1977. It was better written mentioning, Exploitation Films, War Films, Wartime Propaganda, Now there is no mention of Hellboy, or Overlord, an the Resurrection of Adolf Hitler. Some movies in the genera deal with resurrecting Hitler. Jesus Christ is considered as "Zombie Jesus" by many. The same logic also applies to Resurrected Hitler, as "Zombie Hitler". You have deleted too much relavent information from the opening paragraph. You said, "Nazi zombies are a small theme of horror films", which might have been true in the 1970s, but now it is its own genera of Horror Movie. You used an outdated opinionated source. You have detracted from the quality of the opening of the article. I have attempted to go back and do a re-wright that is more correct, but now I seem to be blocked from editing a disputed opening to this article. I am just trying to make it better, and more correct. You on the other hand have used outdated incorrect sourced information. Just because it has sourcing, doesn't make it correct information. Can't you just fix it to have the correct information? ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2020

The "Books & Other Section" sure has a lot of ISBNs listed for many of the printed sources. There is already some sourcing there. But, nothing seems good enough for you. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 16:43, 19 April 2020

The article was totally butchered. There were 110 Nazi Zombie titles in the Films & Television section, now there are only 26 listed. Around 75% of the article was butchered. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2020

Many of the films mentioned were short films which I could'nt clarify the plot, the premiere, or the themes of the film. Others had some really questionable films. (Jojo Rabbit for example). Other items on the list included music videos and films that were never completed. If you can find sources backing up some other films, I'd say they should be re-added. If not, wait until then. Andrzejbanas (talk) 09:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Importance of citing lists

I've slowly started adapting the films into a cited list. Sources currently added include the earliest release known release date, the director, and a space for any extra info if its needed. I've removed some films I could find no sources for, and one specifically was for Worst Case Scenario, a film that despite having an article and a listting, is an unfinished film that is not complete and will not be released. If this doesn't stress the importance of having sourced content, I don't know what does. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)