Talk:Noriko Sakai

Possession of 8 mg of ampethamines?

For all I know Japan might have draconian laws in regards to illegal substances but it must be an error that she was convicted for the possesion of 8 mg (0.008 g) of ampethamines (is it even possible to wrap that in aluminium?); an average/medium sized dose would probably be at least 10 times that amount and recreational use would likely amount to at least 500 mg for one evening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.18.26 (talk) 21:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

who cares husband so much?

Why is the first paragraph full of husband info? She is a person and a singer first, private life of somebody else should only be a small sentence (married this that on that date) in the end. Same for so called drug scandal. → Tristan ♡ (talk) 06:36, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Foreign drug dealers

What about the fact that she got the drugs from a foreigner, as was accurately reported by the Japanese media? This should be mentioned here as it shows the role of foreigners in the drug trade in Japan and how Japanese are yet again being victimized by foreign drug pushers.

There needs to be a tie-in between this and immigration policy in Japan, as drug dealing and UK banker foreigners need to be kept out of Japan. Nothing short of the sovereignty of Japan is at issue here, and it's sad to see this article omitting the simple fact that Nori P was tricked by a foreigner (Sumo wrestler? UK Banker? Aussie English teacher?) into taking drugs.

Sounds like you're trying to use this article to prove a personal opinion. That's considered leading - a practice where you've already come up with a hypothesis, and now you're trying to find sources to support it. That's not going to pass here. At Wikipedia, the information out there guides the articles. In this case, your hypothesis is that the source of the drugs has something to do with Sakai getting involved in drugs. We're not here to make up excuses for her screw-up. She wasn't "tricked" into anything. No one waved drugs in her face. No one forced the drugs on her. The fact is no one knows "why" she got into drugs. We're not going to speculate the reasons here unless Sakai holds a press conference or one-on-one interview with a reliable source and spews her guts. Groink (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference to Minna no Uta

I removed the following statement from the article:

Sakai has had at least one song appear on the NHK program Minna no Uta.

Including a statement so specific like this throws off the feel of the section. If having this information is vital, I'd suggest creating a section listing all of Noriko's TV show/movie theme song contributions, and not just this specific theme song. Groink 23:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed external links

I've removed two external links linking to fansites, using this text as a guideline. Groink 01:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Primary sources

I removed the primarysources tag. The person who placed the tag must understand one thing about Japanese-related articles: It is virtually impossible to find English-written articles about most things Japanese popular culture related. One could translate the primary source and post it on another web site making it a secondary source, even though technically the two are exactly the same information. Same thing with Wikipedia - it is acceptable to translate a primary source and add the translation to Wikipedia. If this is wrong, you might as well take down 90-percent of the Asian-related topics on Wikipedia because most of them are just translations from primary sources. Groink 07:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Drug scandal

This section is way too long compared to the rest of the article. --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, if you have stuff to write about her that's non-drug related (and is verified with sources,) then by all means add it here! The game here is to write about her that can be verified and can be backed up by sources. It is very unfortunate that the only stuff that can be verified is the drug stuff. Groink (talk) 08:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I know the rules. The end goal is to have a balanced article. The drug stuff isn't what she is primarily famous for after all. I'm sure there is plenty of verifiable information about her career if you go looking. --Apoc2400 (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Site a reference that says the goal of every article is a "balanced" article. Article balance is only if the subject matter can back up the balance - again I repeat supported with reference. Let's face it - drugs in Japan is a BIG FRICKING DEAL! Maybe in your parts it is possible to shorten the drug coverage in order to achieve balance. If you look at the Japanese Wikipedia, for months the admins there even banned the very mention of the drug matter in Sakai's article. Is that what you want? We're not going to back off the drug coverage just because no one in the English Wikipedia community knows anything about Sakai. And BTW you are SO WRONG about Sakai's notability! Notability is not static... Before August 2009, she was notable as an actress and a singer. But since then, people who never heard of this woman only now know about her drug situation. Ask Paris Hilton... Ask the Huffington Post... Ask the Associated Press. Ask the thousands of people who tweet on Twitter about her. They only know her regarding her drugs. Remember - notability is measured by the amount of coverage on the Internet - as Wikipedia is a summary of the Internet. Until this whole drug deal disappears and she does something to turn her life around, her notability with primarily be the drugs. I really don't know where you want to go with your comments, but I don't you contributing to this article in any way. If you really know Sakai well, let see some content! So once again, don't lecture us about article balance. Groink (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't need a reference that Wikipedia articles should be balanced. I'm not trying to silence the drug scandal, don't know where you got that idea. I know Japan is serious about drugs, but I think you also understand that if she wasn't a singer and actress, nobody would care about the drug arrest. And no, Wikipedia is not a summary of the internet. The news about her now may be all about drugs, but we aren't supposed to just follow what's in the news now. That's recentism. I don't know anything about her, and I never claimed too. I can still see this article is not good. --Apoc2400 (talk) 12:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

"She is best known for her drug scandal, which occured in August 2009." What? She is best known for 20 odd years of pop singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.107.13 (talk) 00:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's the problem: Noriko Sakai is really not that good of a singer or actress. And, since her Hoshi no Kinka days, she was really not that popular in Japan. I know because I've been a huge fan of hers since 1989 (and I even personally took the photo that's displayed in this very article.) But I'm also very objective when it comes to her. And as far as I can tell, she really hasn't done all that much that can add bulk to this article. Seriously - what you see right now in this article is really all that's worth writing about. Other than Aoi Usagi, none of her albums or singles made any huge impact on ORICON that is notable. As for her acting, what you see in this article is really all that there is to it. There's nothing to elaborate on in any of her dramas. If any of her dramas had content, that belongs in the drama's article, and not this article. And last, there is very little to no English-written sources written about her. Apoc2400 is 100-percent wrong - Wikipedia IS indeed a summary of the Internet. Virtually everything on Wikipedia requires a valid reference that's accessible on the Internet; any other non-Internet-based source will not stick - whether it is hardcopy, something heard on TV or radio, or any primary source. And, notability is 100-percent based on the Internet. This is why, in Noriko's case, everything about her is either 1) written in Japanese, Cantonese or Mandarin, or 2) way too biased or full of fancruft. If you look at the Japanese Wikipedia article, it is poorly sourced, so we can't exactly translate section-by-section that article. So that's why what you see is all we have! Before the drug scandal, virtually nothing was written about Noriko in the English sector. And again, she was really not that popular in Japan; her popularity fizzed out before the Internet became a commonplace. And YES Apoc2004, you DID in a roundabout way indicate that we should hold back on the drug scandal content. By insinuating that this article must be balanced, and from what I wrote just now, it is impossible to obtain enough non-drug content to present a balanced article. Without the drug content, all we had until now was just one paragraph of content, and the rest was a bunch of lists. In short, before the drug scandal, I seriously don't think Noriko even deserved an article on English Wikipedia - that's how weak this subject is. Groink (talk) 05:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Apoc2400 makes a valid point though. The drug scandal was only newsworthy BECAUSE of her status as an entertainer. More correctly, she is not notable for the drug scandal, but rather she re-emerged as headline worthy because of it. I hope this page does not degenerate into chaos like the Roman Polanski page regarding notability vs crime and balancing issues. PS there're quite a bit of unnecessary detail and material in the article thats practically padding the length, but not unnecessary for the article (detailed specifics on how drug testing procedures work - the article does not need to explain here how it works, just that it does), so I removed it. Zhanzhao (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Noriko's notoriety is actually a result of hypocrisy. The Japanese are very objective when it comes to hypocrisy. In this case, the drug case is really huge because it counters not her acting or singing, but rather her image as a mother to a 10-year old, and the image being used in advertising, among other uses. I can confidently say that if Noriko was not a mother, this drug issue wouldn't be even half of what it is right now. So to say that this case is big because she's a geinojin - well that's just a tiny percentage. As an example, Manabu Oshio's situation is way worse than Noriko's. But the fact is that Oshio had a bad boy image before the incident, and believe it or not that actually helped him. And one other thing - this is an English Wikipedia. What makes a person famous WILL differ from region to region. Although Asia knows her as an actress/singer, the west knows absolutely nothing about her, because none of her dramas or music ever aired in the continental U.S. But then, why the huge interest in America? Simple: the drugs - and it happened in a country that takes pride in low crime. English Wikipedia should put more weight on the interest of the English speaking regions. Groink (talk) 06:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You're assuming that Asia is not English speaking, which I feel the need to correct you on. For example in the country where I reside, I watched most of her shows years ago with the original audio with English subtitles on public broadcast TV, and listened to her songs being dedicated on an English radio without understanding what she was saying (I liked the tunes). "English" Wikipedia does not belong to the "West". That is so wrong on so many counts. Zhanzhao (talk) 07:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Also I think its less a fact that she's a mother, but more likely that its due to her "good girl" image. The fact that she's a mother on top of being a "good girl" is just another aspect of her "good girl" image. Zhanzhao (talk) 07:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

RE unnecessary detail regarding drug testing

First, I feel that the detail is not necessary, as the following lines already established that the actions she took (dying her hair etc) made the tests inaccurate. Leaving it in only pads the length.

Also, for the line to be present as it is assumes that the subject purposely stayed away to take advantage of the points you raised to render the test she took ineffective. Logically if she wanted to do that, she would have stayed away longer. She would also not be the first person to turn herself in after avoiding initial arrest, except in other cases time spent out of custody does not have any impact on subsequent investigations. Therefore it is best that the article only mentions facts as they happened in the case.

However if that point was raised by prosecutors or in the news as a possible reason for her staying out of custody those 2 days, THEN it should be included. Though do follow with proper citations if that is the case.Zhanzhao (talk) 08:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Read her statement she gave to the public. She said herself that she stayed away for the very reason to drain the drugs out of her system. She didn't say who gave her the advice, but the rumor has it that, with her late father's association with the yakuza, she and her brother still keep in touch with the organization, and the yakuza told her to stay away from the authorities. And, if you read the references, they state the fact that the police did not find stimulant drugs in her blood and urine, and only found signs of it in her hair. So those three days (could be more assuming she wasn't taking the drugs on August 4.) And the police did state that dying and cutting did actually help - not 100-percent but enough so that they couldn't trace it any further than when she admitted to taking the drugs during the eclipse event. As for the prosecution, they couldn't say why she stayed away three days because, again, she had no drugs in her blood or urine. Groink (talk) 08:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's the exact quote, per Yahoo News: "Apart from the shocking revelation, Sakai also shared the reasons behind her sudden disappearance when her husband was arrested. She had taken drugs four days before Takaso's arrest and was at a loss at what to do. Under the circumstances, a helpless Sakai decided to run away instead." Four days makes it at least July 30. Tack three days on top of that, and you have seven days. According to the stimulant drug source, seven days is enough to flush the system. Groink (talk) 08:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

My point is that there is too much detail regarding the test specifics. In that case, specifics of heavy usage is not required, while the results of the hairtest in the line following is self explanatory. It does not make her any less guilty, but it does shave off the unnecessary detail.Zhanzhao (talk) 08:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Saying Sakai's career ended in 2009

Before anyone else attempts to indicate that Sakai "active" status ends in 2009, consider two breaches of Wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia:No original research indicates that you can't just ascertain this information based on observation of the idea that Sakai hasn't done anything since 2009. There must be a reliable source saying that Sakai left the entertainment industry. Second breach is within the original research policy, called "synthesis" which states that one cannot take bits of information from each of several sources, and then put them together and claim that the result is reliable information. For example, if one source says Sakai is going to nursing school, and a second source says that Sun fired Sakai, one cannot put the two together and say that she's left the geinokai because she doesn't have a contract, and intends on going into nursing. Again, if an editor wants to claim that her career ended, a reliable source must say so directly, and not come up with a conclusion based on two or more ideas. Groink (talk) 05:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Early 90s anti-drug commercials?

This article says that a lot of the media focus was because Sakai had done anti-drug commercials: "Japanese media has focused almost exclusively on the case of Sakai, who had appeared in an antidrugs campaign in the early 1990s." CüRlyTüRkey^Talk_Contribs 22:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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