Talk:Pratapgarh Kingdom

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 16:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks interesting, especially as I'm an Indian :) Happy to take this. Cheers, Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Sainsf, thanks for taking on this review. I'm not actually the one who nominated this article, though the person who did, UserNumber, has very kindly agreed to let me take over their role here. I actually wrote this article and so am really familiar with the subject, so hopefully there shouldn't be any issues in that regard. I hope you don't mind this arrangement?
Alivardi (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alivardi sure, no issues. All you require is familiarity with the subject matter of the article. I have posted all my comments below. Well-written on the whole :) Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 03:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Awesome! Looks like these are mostly easy fixes which shouldn't be too bad to deal with, though that last one may take a bit longer. I'll hit you up when I'm done. Thanks again!
Alivardi (talk) 13:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Just finished! Though it did take me longer than I thought it would. I've left a note beside a couple of your suggestions and I was hoping to get your thoughts? Thanks.
Alivardi (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Alivardi: Good job! I have replied where necessary and added a few more comments on the portion you just added. Cheers, Sainsf (t · c) 11:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Done :)
Alivardi (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great, ready for promotion :) Sainsf (t · c) 16:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Awesome! Thank you!
Alivardi (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No copyvio, dablink, external link issues
  • Duplinks - quite a few. Use this tool to find and remove them.
 Done
  • Sourcing - looks decent. Please add dois for journal articles, and locations and ISBNs for books wherever possible.
 Done
Prose and coverage
  • May be link "medieval" to something like Medieval India?
 Done
  • Say "AD" after century and years consistently throughout the article (also see infobox)
I'm worried the wording sounds a bit clunky if AD is used throughout the article, e.g. Muhammad Turani, who lived at the close of the 14th century AD. Turani, following a family dispute in his native Iran, migrated to the Indian subcontinent in 1384 AD. I was hoping that mentioning that the kingdom was medieval in the lead would be enough to remove the necessity of this. What do you think?
You can omit "AD" where it is obvious enough to reduce clutter. Sainsf (t · c) 11:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Any link for District of Sylhet?
No longer applicable after lead rewrite
 Done
  • Not sure "tiger-infested forests" is a good term. Forests are the main habitat of tigers and they are not like vermin there.
 Done
  • It has been suggested that the Pratapgarh Kingdom, established centuries later Centuries after 15th century? But wasn't it founded in 1489? I think the years should be mentioned clearly.
 Done
  • received its name from Pratap Singh and the town he had founded Repeated detail
 Done
  • Alternatively, the name may have come from the first ruler of the state, the Muslim Malik Pratap Looks better at the end of the first para
 Done
  • Pratap Singh later founded a new town which he named Pratapgarh I think it should be clarified that the timeline of the kingdom does not include the rule of the early Hindu rulers, as I mistook it for that at the beginning.
 Done
  • The historian's picture should be next to the section where he is first mentioned
I was actually intending that the focus of the image be the stone fragment, which is mentioned in the paragraph beside it. However, I can now see that this wasn't made obvious in the caption, so I've reworded it to make it more clear.
Fine now. Sainsf (t · c) 11:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • governor of Sylhet died comma after Sylhet
 Done
  • fearing the response of the Sultan of Bengal "wrath" sounds better than "response"
 Done
  • Say "zamindar" or "Zamindar"
 Done
  • Call the historian Chaudhury in all later mentions in the main text once you have taken his full name
 Done
  • Say "professor" (without "P")
 Done
  • Introduce B.C. Allen
 Done
  • Is there no information we can include on other aspects of the kingdom such as culture, society and institutions (see the sections in the FA above for example)? What about the legacy?
 Done
  • From the newly added portions:
  • Link Khasi (say Khasi people for clarity, like Kuki people) and Karimganj
 Done
  • "tunkal" is most probably a foreign term and should be italicized
 Done
  • "among the populous" you mean "populace"?
 Done

Pratapgarh alternate origins?[edit]

Hi, check out this book https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.126984/page/n103/mode/2up It says that the founding prince of Pratapgarh was from Kamata royal family and had no sons, just one daughter. The origins here are very different to that in the article.

​Hey, thanks for bringing this to my attention. It's a pretty interesting idea, but based on the references to Tezpur and Darrang district (both located in northern Assam), I'm thinking this is a different Pratapgarh. It may be possible that the "Pertabgarh Tea Estate" that it's referencing is this one, which is located in that area. Though it is a big coincidence that both families were established around the same time.
Alivardi (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "Mughol" tribe[edit]

Good spot UserNumber, it does look like the "Mughols" are identical to the group you discussed on the Mubariz Khan article. As to why I mentioned them, when writing the new sections, Sainsf had suggested that I follow the format of this article, which had a subsection for "Ethnic identity". Since there were multiple ethnic groups living in Pratapgarh, I decided to list all the ones I could find sources for, among which were the "Mughols". Furthermore, since it seemed too short by it self, I also decided to include a general customs & culture overview.
Alivardi (talk) 13:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. How about the Bengali people (Sylhetis) that inhabited Pratapgarh? I'm assuming they were the majority since modern-day Karimganj has a Bengali majority, yet you never mentioned Bengalis. UserNumber (talk) 13:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Yeah I know, that's what I thought too. But I haven't found a source yet which specifically states that, so I can't do anything about it at the moment.
Alivardi (talk) 13:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would assume that the rulers of Pratapgarh, just like many foreign Muslims who settled in Bengal, eventually integrated into Bengali Muslim identities, especially looking at their choices of names down the family tree.UserNumber (talk) 13:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Presumably, but again, without a source... I mean, do you know how much I wanted to comment on how unusual it is that a Muslim sultan had a daughter named Lavanyavati? Or the impossable fact that Marhamat Khan, who was an adult in the early 1500s, somehow had a grandson who was still alive over two centuries later? And a dozen other things about this subject that deserve mention. Yet, I'm stuck because no proper source has discussed them.
Alivardi (talk) 14:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that the Pratapgarh Kingdom was conquered when Queen Kamala of Jaintia raised an army to avenge the death of her husband, who was killed leading an earlier invasion of Pratapgarh? Source: Choudhury, Achyut Charan (2000) [1910], Srihatter Itibritta: Purbangsho (in Bengali), Kolkata: Kotha (p. 295)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bir Bikram 2
  • Comment: After building several preps with no representation outside of North America and Europe, I am making a push to get GAs from under-represented areas and categories into DYK. This is nomination 1 in that effort.

Improved to Good Article status by Alivardi (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 07:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is long enough, is a newly-promoted GA, is generally policy compliant, hook is interesting, QPQ done, AGF on book source. Hog Farm (talk) 21:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Forgot about that. Hog Farm (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but find the hook less than exciting, perhaps because of all the passive verbs in it ("was conquered", "was killed"). Is there any way to write something in an active voice? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1 ... that after the king of Kachar died whilst invading the Pratapgarh Kingdom, his widow Kamala commanded its conquest herself to avenge him? Source: Choudhury, Achyut Charan (2000) [1910], Srihatter Itibritta: Purbangsho (in Bengali), Kolkata: Kotha (p. 295)
I tried to incorporate your points Yoninah. What do you think?
Alivardi (talk) 01:05, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the original hook and put Alivardi's down as ALT1, above. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, ALT1 does read better. Restoring tick per Hog Farm's review. Yoninah (talk) 12:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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