Talk:Quebec (disambiguation)

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The recent reorganizing works great, but some of the WP:MOSDAB ideas are bit lost. Especially on the first link. First, the idea is to allow people to find a particular meaning of Quebec. Scanning all the blue links quickly is an efficient way of doing this. If there is "extra" blue about information that will be available on the desired page, this will slow those looking for other uses of the word down. AND especially when, like on this page, there is a primary article, those looking for the primary article will not see this page. People that enter "Quebec" will go to Quebec and find the information they need there. Only those looking for the other stuff on the page will end up here, so the additional information is unwanted and not of interest. (John User:Jwy talk) 17:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Requested move 24 December 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Withdrawn though perhaps a different qualifier could be proposed another time there is a clear consensus against this one and no realistic prospect of a different outcome by leaving this open for the full 7 days. (non-admin closure) Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quebec (disambiguation) → Quebec
Quebec → Quebec (1791–present)

– Similar to New York the city's name unlike Oklahoma City is just "Quebec" and the city seems to have enough usage and long-term significance to prevent the current province from being primary[[1]]. Google and Image suggest the province may be more likely but both the province and city are prominent. Books may suggest the city is the most likely but I'm not sure. I'm choosing the year formed qualifier because of Province of Quebec (1763–1791). Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per above. Peter Ormond 💬 20:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - proposed change is historically inaccurate. There was the old province of Quebec from 1763 to 1791, and the current province of Quebec created on July 1, 1867. In between, there was Lower Canada (1791-1841) and Canada East, part of the Province of Canada (1841 to 1867). Changing "Quebec" to cover the territory from 1791 to the present is inaccurate and would be extremely confusing, considering that there are articles now for Lower Canada and Canada East/Province of Canada. There was no province named Quebec from 1791 to 1867. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, preposterous. 162 etc. (talk) 20:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As currently stated on Quebec City § Name and usage, Common English-language usage distinguishes the city from the province by referring to the former as 'Quebec City'. Thus, comparing the common usage of this Canadian province and city to the common usage of an American state and city like "New York" just seems like an "other stuff exists" argument to me. And as User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz basically wrote above, there is no good date range to use in the parenthetical qualifier. Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of other arguments, the proposed title of Quebec (1791–present) just seems awfully weird. We may observe a bit of an implicit bias in favor of current names in article titles, but this kind of a deviation from that practice sounds like it would probably astonish the readers. Otherwise, I'd appreciate an analysis of WikiNav and a longer view of page view history than latest-20 with these kinds of proposals; this is a 120k/view/month topic so proposals should come with a coherent rationale from the start. --Joy (talk) 20:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the proposed name is wrong, as stated by others, it is not the 1791 entity. Either it is the same continuing entity as Canada, province of New France, under different administrations, with varying territory, or it is the one established in 1867, with varying territory; or the current entity only was established when the current borders were defined, since 1927. Or it is the jurisdictional change from repatriation, so since 1982. But is is not since 1791; as no entity since then has survived, if it isn't including prior existences. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 02:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close, per primary topic. Lots of time-sink RM's over the holidays. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.