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BBC about the Search for the Wreckage of Amundsen's Plane[edit]

2009-08-23: [[1]]; has a photograph of a (the?) Latham 47. —141.150.24.107 (talk) 19:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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am new to this[edit]

ive only created an account but wish to point out ot someone that Rolad Amundsen didnt discover the nirth pole or make an exhibition to the North pole. his plan was to head off to the NOrth pole but someone (cant remember who) beat him to it so he went to expolre the South Pole instead doing a paper on Antarctica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jax2010 (talkcontribs) 05:11, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Amundsen at the wheel, photo[edit]

The date "1920" (which I got from the photo page) and "leaving home" do not really correlate, so I added "c." to the date. He left home in 1918, and may have been in Seattle around 1920. May this be where this American photo was taken, rather than his "home", Norway? JMK (talk) 07:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I believe that photo is c. 1926 in Nome AK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnoffsker (talkcontribs) 06:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The Library of Congress page says "c1920" which doesn't mean "circa 1920", but instead "copyrighted 1920". Considering there is a copyright record ("J243368") on file, I would consider that date to be accurate. howcheng {chat} 18:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

South pole arrival party[edit]

Regarding the passage that reads: "On December 14, 1911, the team of six, with 16 dogs, arrived at the Pole (90°00'S)." The numbers here are questionable. The team size was actually five, not six, consisting of "Olav Bjaaland, Helmer Hanssen, Sverre Hassel, Oscar Wisting, and Amundsen himself..." as enumerated (correctly) earlier in the article. According to Huntford's translation of Amundsen's expedition journal (Race for the Pole, Roland Huntford) for 15 December (it was actually 14 December, but Amundsen had overlooked the fact that Fram had crossed the International Date line until too late to fix all the journal entries), they arrived with three sledges and 17 dogs. The journal reads, "HH put one down just after arrival. 'Helge' was worn out." Finally, by Amundsen's own admission in the same journal entry, the party did not arrive at 90 degrees South on 14 December. In the journal entry for the following day, he records that the latest readings showed they were at 89˚56'S, and that the pole itself was about 5.5 nautical miles from their arrival camp. Amundsen records that they set off for the actual pole on the day following (journal entry 17 Dec).

The world has accepted 14 Dec as the date, rather than 16 Dec, and I don't think a correction is needed or possible. But I do believe it is not quite correct to say that the precise point they reached on 14 Dec was 90°00'S.

This is my first contribution, so I dare not modify the article, because I don't know how careful we want to be. I would appreciate any advice or guidance on that point.

RickBrenner (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)RickBrenner

The proceedings at the Pole are well covered in the article on Polheim. It seems accurate to say that Amundsen's party reached the South Pole, in the general sense, on December 14, adding that the team spent another three days on site to pinpoint the exact location of the Pole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stastein (talkcontribs) 11:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

North Pole[edit]

The article says Amundsen was the first to both the North and South Poles while he was only first to the South not the North Pole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagger06 (talkcontribs) 21:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

First new threads go at the bottom of the page not the top. Second the sentence is correct if you reread it and use the word "and" properly. It is describing the fact that he was the first person to have been to "both" poles. It would be wrong if it said that he was the first to each. MarnetteD | Talk 23:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

From: http://www.historynet.com/aviation-history-november-96-from-thditor.htm

"A long-lost Byrd diary recently was found in a mislabeled box of memorabilia books for young children stashed away in the Byrd archives of you. According to a historical analyst who studied the document, Byrd turned back 40 miles before reaching the pole because of fears that an ailing engine might bring the flight to a premature conclusion. This would mean that Roald Amundsen, the Norwegian explorer who flew over the North Pole three days after Byrd's attempt, would replace Byrd in the history books. Although Amundsen's dirigible covered the ground much more slowly than Byrd's plane, his meticulous documentation has never been questioned."

Roald Amundsen and his friend Oscar Wisting were actually the first persons to reach both the South and the North pole, because all who said they had reached the north pole before them have been discredited and did not actually reach the north pole. Roger491127 (talk) 11:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Spelling[edit]

i have noticed several spelling mistakes, like for example: when it says that: "Antarctic attempts in favour of Eskimo-style skins." which misspells favor. but i cannot change it since the article is locked

Etf1234 (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Not a spelling error. See WP:ENGVAR. howcheng {chat} 18:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

File:Roald Amundsen2.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Roald Amundsen2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 9, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-08-09. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng {chat} 18:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Picture of the day
Roald Amundsen

Roald Amundsen at the wheel of Maud in 1920, during his unsuccessful attempt to cross the Northeast Passage and reach the North Pole. Although Amundsen did indeed successfully journey eastward along the coast of Siberia to Nome, Alaska, his plan of freezing the ship in the polar ice pack and letting it drift northward did not work as the currents were uncooperative. Amundsen finally did fly over the North Pole in 1926 in the airship Norge, making him the first person to attain both North and South Poles.

Photo: Lomen Brothers; Restoration: Lise Broer
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Northeast Passage[edit]

I have done extensive copyediting to the Northeast Passage section, as it appeared to have been written by a non-native speaker of English, or perhaps it was a Google translate copy-and-paste. However, because some parts of it were incomprehensible, I had to take a few liberties with the text in order to make sense out of it. Here are the main areas that are kind of questionable:

Original Rewritten Comments
The voyage was to the north-easterly direction over the Kara Sea, off Cape Chelyuskin put Maud stuck in the ice. The ship remained frozen for nearly a year, even though the ship came into operation in ice. In September 1919 the ship came loose from the ice, but froze again after eleven days longer between east and Vrangeløya New Siberian Islands, in just 70 ° north. The voyage was to the northeasterly direction over the Kara Sea. Amundsen planned to freeze the Maud into the polar ice cap and drift towards the North Pole (as Nansen had done with the Fram), and he did so off Cape Chelyuskin. Unfortunately, the ice became so thick that the ship was unable to break free, even though the ship was designed specifically for such a journey. In September 1919, the ship came loose from the ice, but froze again after a mere eleven days in the vicinity of the New Siberian Islands. I could not figure out where "east and Vrangeløya New Siberian Islands" was, as the New Siberian Islands article doesn't list any island called "Vrangeløya".
Hanssen and Wisting, along with two others, embarked on an expedition by dog sled to Nome in Alaska despite the fact that it was one thousand kilometers there. Because of the bad ice in the Bering Strait, it could not be crossed. They were, however, able to send a telegram from Anadyr. Hanssen and Wisting, along with two others, embarked on an expedition by dog sled to Nome, Alaska, despite it being over one thousand kilometers away. But the ice was not frozen solid in the Bering Strait and it could not be crossed. They were, at the very least, able to send a telegram from Anadyr. Who did they send a telegram to, and what were the contents??
There were several of the crew ashore, including Hanssen, who after Amundsen's opinion of it broke the contract and consequently he was not raising money. There were several of the crew ashore there, including Hanssen, who had not returned to the ship. Amundsen considered him to be in breach of contract, and as such, dismissed him from the crew. To me, this was the most difficult piece to figure out, and I have no idea if what I wrote is accurate, but at least it sounds plausible.
Amundsen returned to Maud, which now lay in Nome, in June 1922. He moved the focus from naval expeditions to aerial expeditions, and therefore took her to fly on board the ship. He moved the focus from naval expeditions to aerial expeditions, and therefore arranged to get a plane. "Took her to fly on board the ship" ... took who? And the ship certainly wasn't going to act as an aircraft carrier, right? So the plane couldn't possibly be on board.

Anyway, this whole section needs more references. howcheng {chat} 18:45, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

The Wrangel Island is well known, so the upper right corner of the table above suffers from a spelling error, or a spelling used 100 years ago. But the existence of the Wrangel Island is no problem if you spell it correctly. "Vrangeløya" is the old Norwegian spelling, (Vrangel = Wrangel, øya = island). You can see in File:Siberia WR.png that Wrangel Island is located around 1000 km east of the New Siberian Islands. Roger491127 (talk) 05:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I have updated the text. howcheng {chat} 15:49, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Amundsen's Primacy[edit]

This article would help (albeit belatedly) right some of the wrongs done Amundsen — during his controversial lifetime of fighting polar ice and polar politics — if its first sentence stated the blunt truth: Amundsen, whom most USfolk have never even heard of, achieved more major polar firsts than all other explorers combined, including almost certainly being first to each pole of the Earth. His seven geographical priorities are enumerated at p.3 of DIO volume 10 (2000), a book co-published with the University of Cambridge.

First to winter in the Antarctic.

First through the Northwest Passage.

First at the South Pole.

First circumnavigation of the Arctic Ocean.

First at the North Pole in the opinion of most explorers (and first to both poles in any case).

First at the Ice Pole (point on Arctic Ocean farthest from land-masses).

First across the Arctic Ocean.


Post by D.Rawlins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.198.223 (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

During his passage through the Northwest Passage, he was also visited the Magnetic Pole.

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Disappearance and death[edit]

In the second paragraph, reference 15, linking to the Search for Amundsen website, is a dead link. There is an archived version of the page specifically referencing the ContextTV documentary.

I'd be happy to edit this myself, but I'm not yet a confirmed user. Declangi (talk) 04:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I've now added an archived version. Declangi (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Potential Improvements to the Amundsen Bio[edit]

Why is this biography protected, only a week away from the S.Pole centenary? (The Cook, Peary, & Byrd bios are not protected.) Many will be accessing it shortly (and most won't delve into Talk); they ought to have the readiest possible access (right in the opening sentences) to a succinct but complete summary of Amundsen's astonishingly numerous immortal achievements, any one of which would head the preface of any other explorer's Wikipedia biography.

Specific problems:

The first footnote on Amundsen's 1926 success just references an article on his 1925 failure.

The preface's list of contemporary polar explorers is in wrong chronological order and is entirely Antarctic, though 4 of the 5 polar expeditions Amundsen led were Arctic.

To say that Amundsen was 1st to "(undisputedly) reach the North and the South Poles" is to miss that rare opportunity for saying more with less: drop mention of the S.Pole (already covered earlier in the same sentence) and say instead "has the 1st proven claim to have reached the North Pole", thereby completely conveying the original version's message, additionally pointing out what is now beyond question, namely, that Amundsen has the 1st undisputed (that is, 1st scientifically valid) claim to the N.Pole. Is there any reason why that centuries-sought honor should not be cited right in the preface to the WP bio of the achiever?

Or, starting at "He led", the rest of the preface might go something like the proposal that follows:

His 1910-1912 expedition was 1st to the South Pole, & his 1926 expedition was 1st to [prove it had reached] the North Pole. Additionally, he was 1st through the Northwest Passage, 1st relocator of the moving North Magnetic Pole, 1st around the Arctic Ocean (NW&NE Passages), & 1st across it. Despite his notorious secrecy & finances, he led more geographical expeditions, by more means (ship, dogsled, airplane, dirigible), and of uniformly unquestioned veracity, than any other polar explorer. He died leading a mission to rescue a competitor. [The above would perhaps render superfluous a conclusion to the preface, but why not sum it up this way?] He was the tallest of the giants of the heroic age of polar exploration.

Post by D.Rawlins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.198.223 (talk) 23:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Scott[edit]

Should Scott be mentioned in lead paragraph. Not in the same league historically as Amundsen and and Shacketon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.97.120 (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


Scott was an arrogant ignorant idiot, who if he had arrived back in the UK, should have faced a Courts Martial for the incompetence he demonstrated. He indirectly killed 2 men, forced 2 others to stay and die with him. He "knew" better than anyone who did know, he kept his plans to himself, made ill-preparation Pee Poor Planning makes for Pee poor Performance. He decided to take men based upon his idea of strength - big men like PO Evans tire quicker than small men. He only had rations for four men and yet his polar party consisted of 5 men. He considered it cruel to use dogs to pull the sledges, and bragged about achieving a couple of miles, complained about the weather - cold is cold, yet Amundsen also travelled in colder conditions, because he had trained for the journey, was used to the cold, used dogs and ski's he also had more rations than he needed out on the ice and the depots were better marked - Scott used 1 flag on each depot. Scott was not even in the same league as Sir Ernest Shackleton - who was probably the best explorer that Britain has had in more recent times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.62.75 (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

(new section)[edit]

Duplicate deleted. Xyl 54 (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I am interested in submitting a revision in the biography in the first paragraph. It is stated that Mr. Amundsen is the (highlighted) undisputed primary explorer to reach both the north and south extreme location. I have been educated both here in the United States and in the United Kingdom, that that would be correct for the southern extreme though not the northern. Roald Amundsen was not as I have been instructed, the first human explorer to place a geological marker on the location named the North Pole.

I am using a Kindle computer which does not have the tilers script on the keyboard. (tilde tilde tilde tilde) - — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacPerry28 (talkcontribs) 15:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about some silly rule set by the FAA? Maybe this agency of the United States Department of Transportation has decided that to claim that you have been at a certain geographical location you have to put a "geological marker" on the ground (ice, water) at that location? Who cares what rules this agency of the United States Department of Transportation has set up? Didn't Jurij Gagarin circle the earth in a spaceship because he ended his journey with a parachute the last 7000 meters? Didn't Amundsen reach the North Pole because he didn't drop something from the Zeppeliner airship 40 meter above the North Pole? (Maybe he did, I don't know, but who cares?) Most people in the world don't care what silly rules this agency of the United States Department of Transportation has decided. We know that Jurij Gagarin was the first man to circle the earth in a spaceship, and we know that Amundsen and Wisting were in the group of the first men who reached the South Pole and in the group of the first men who reached the North Pole. And, by the way, there is not much reason to put a "geological marker" on the ice at the North Pole, as the ice is constantly moving towards Greenland, so such a marker would disappear from the North Pole very quickly. Roger491127 (talk) 13:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I found a text in Swedish that says: " De norska, amerikanska och italienska flaggorna släpps ner från 200 meters höjd." Translation: The Norwegian, American and Italian flags were dropped from a height of 200 meters. So the North pole was marked with "geological markers" on the ice at the North Pole. http://www.esping.net/svalbard/contents/farder%20till%20svalbard%20och%20nordpolen.htm

The text also says: "Den 9 maj, två dagar före Norges avfärd, genomför kommendörkapten Richard Byrd tillsammans med sin pilot Floyd Bennet en flygning, i ett tremotorigt Fokkerflygplan, från Kungsfjorden till nordpolen och tillbaka på 15 timmar och 30 minuter. Amundsen trodde dock inte på, med tanke på planets prestanda, att de lyckats nå polen på den korta tiden." Translation: May 9, two days before Norge's departure, Commander Captain Richard Byrd with his pilot Floyd Bennet made a flight, in a 3-motor Focker airplane, from Kungsfjorden (the King's Fjord) to the North Pole and back in 15 hours 30 minutes. But Amundsen did not believe, considering the properties of the airplane, that they could have reached the North Pole in that short time. Roger491127 (talk) 10:19, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

SpitZbergen[edit]

Section "Reaching the North Pole", sentence "They left Spitzbergen on 11 May 1926, and they .." It should read "Spitsbergen". A few lines before it is written correctly. --46.115.40.181 (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin

Edit request on 24 November 2012[edit]

Please indicate at the end of the last paragraph about the Northwest Passage exploration: "The crew returned to Oslo (from the that exploration) on November 1906, after almost 3,5 years aboard. It took until 1972 to get the Gjøa back to Norway. After a 45-day trip from San Francisco on a bulk carrier, the Gjøa was placed on her present resting place outside the Fram Museum in Oslo."

Source: "Roald Amundsen and the Exploration of the Northwest Passage" edited by the Fram Museum, Oslo-Norway, 2008, ISBN 978-82-8235-001-3, pages 63 and 65

Sdulinsky (talk) 15:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 19:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Amundsen's vs. Scott's achievement of reaching the South Pole[edit]

Scott's achievement to reach the pole has to be considered way more valuable than Amundsen's. While Amundsen was transported by dogs like on a magic carpet the whole way, Scott and his men managed a considerable amount of the distance self-propelled and only by their own force, without any artificial help. This is a much, much bigger accomplishment. Whereas Amundsen basically reached the Pole on a lift made of dogs, Scott adhered to the principles of true adventuring, like a mountain climber.--Commissioner Gordon (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

For Legacy section: A crater on Mars is named after one of Amundsen's ships, the Gjøa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.127.155 (talk) 01:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Scott was an idiot. He was facing a trial when he returned he had killed 2 men and two more died because of his stupidty. He was suffering form scurvy had insufficient food - on his own admission he decided at the last minute to take 4 men to the pole, but had rations only for 4 people including himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.62.75 (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Legacy section, mars crater named after Gjøa[edit]

For Legacy section: A crater on Mars is named after one of Amundsen's ships, the Gjøa 128.84.127.155 (talk) 01:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Marshall Deutz, 10/23/13

Roald Amundsen biography[edit]

I just want to add my recent critically acclaimed biography of Amundsen to the Bibliography section. I might make some other suggestions later. Here it is below:

The Last Viking: The Life of Roald Amundsen, by Stephen R. Bown. Da Capo Press, New York, 2012.

24.64.77.171 (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Non-admin comment Probably should not be done per WP:COI and WP:SELFPROMOTION. If the book garners comments from other critics and historians then we might be able to add it at a later date. MarnetteD | Talk 18:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: What they said. (BTW - You don't need to be an admin to service semi-protected edit requests.) Thanks, Celestra (talk) 19:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC) It seems absurd to list other out of date biographies on Amundsen yet refuse to list the most recent critically acclaimed biography. The Last Viking has been published by three publishers throughout the English speaking world and is widely discussed and reviewed in publications such as the Wall Street Journal, London Sunday Times, Globe and Mail, Literary Review of Canada, Arctic Magazine and dozens of other publications. It was chosen a Best Book of 2012 by the Globe, Kirkus Reviews, San Francisco Book Review and Winnipeg Free Press. The book is based on over three hundred never before used interviews and profiles from newspapers in the US, primarily the New York Times and proves that Amundsen was an American celebrity and hero for the last decade before his death; that he lived in New York and Alaska when not on an expedition; that far from fading from public life as British authors claim, he enjoyed his greatest acclaim during this period. Just look it up on Amazon if you don't believe me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.77.171 (talk) 04:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

North-west Passage[edit]

The first transit of the North-West Passage was West to East, was in the 1850s, and was captained by Sir Robert McClure (see Wikipedia article, and numerous other web articles). 121.73.236.171 (talk) 10:24, 14 December 2013 (UTC)14/12/13 Some references: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McClure, faculty.washington.edu/karpoff/Research/McClure, www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/353976/Sir-Robert-John-Le-Mesurier-McClure, www.biographi.ca/en/bio/mcclure_robert_john_le_mesurier_10E.html, www.rmg.co.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/in-depth/north-west-passage/exploration-adventure-and-tragedy/robert-mcclure-expedition-1850-54 ... 121.73.236.171 (talk) 04:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)16/12/13 McClure was the first to transit the passage; Amundsen was the first to navigate it. McClure travelled partly by ship and partly by sledge. Stastein (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

"Discovery"[edit]

"He led the Antarctic expedition (1910-12) to discover the South Pole in December 1911."

The concept of "discovering" the South Pole is a strange one. Everybody already knew it was there, and really there was no "discovery" of anything. Suggest this is changed to refer to the first expedition to reach the South Pole, or something like that. 86.129.17.155 (talk) 02:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2014[edit]

Please remove the ]] from "They made their way off the continent and to Hobart, Australia]]" in the section South Pole Expedition (1910–12). 121.98.124.75 (talk) 10:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the eye Cannolis (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Only two photos taken?[edit]

There is a paranthetical statement that Amundsen is only known to have taken two photographs on his South Pole expedition. The book Antarctica, Firsthand Accounts of Exploration and Endurance has journal entries from his expedition that clearly cites several stops during which photos were taken. He even goes as far as to say that the cameraman was so adept and the explorers so accustomed to the routine that when two explorers partially fell into a crevasse, they had the wherewithal to hold their precarious positions long enough for the photo to be taken. That sounds to me like more than two photos were taken. Onzie9 (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2014[edit]

There is no such place as "Svaldrup", which is an apparent conjoining of "Svalbard" and "Sverdrup". Please change "Svaldrup" to "Svalbard". 137.229.40.111 (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yellow check.svg Partly done: I have removed "Svaldrup", but AFAIK Spitsbergen has not been renamed "Svalbard", it is just the main island in the Svalbard archipelago. - Arjayay (talk) 09:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)