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Initial Reception

Please consider removing the last line of the Initial Reception section, referring to "his goal as making ...music that avoids the negative, violent image that he sees in most hip-hop.[18][17]" This doesn't seem to be his real goal if you look at the lyrics to Crank That Soulja Boy. Even if it is his goal, I think his goal is not relevant to his reception.

Also, if this alleged goal is included anywhere in the article, please balance it with facts about his lyrics. so that people can draw their own conclusions. Lyrics to Crank That Soulja Boy include inviting others to watch him "supersoak dat b*tch" and "superman dat hoe", and perform other mysogynistic acts that are clearly negative and violent. References for translations of the slang include your external link to the words and urbandictionary.com translations of the slang. Some public schools have banned it too - reference http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/20/AR2007122000913.html Another user in the comment above about song meaning references an article by a student who explains very well how it demeans women.

Thank you.Wikiwacky1 (talk) 06:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a valid point, the two references to the statement are quite vague as to this being his stated goal. I'll see what change I can make, since the article is currently semi-protected. --TeaDrinker (talk) 20:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It's obvious that these rumors came about fter the song was relesed and the online lyrics are wrong. Look at the website for the official lyrics. And lastly, urban dictionary is not a reliable source if anyone can just add stuff. FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  11:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

middle name

I found in another article that soulja boy's real middle name is Faget Ass Nigga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.199.110 (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC) His middle name is Pussy Ass Bitch that dont go hard n the paint ol fuck nigga everyone else is stupid for thinking it is Ramone. And who ever wrote this shyt bout this nigga is a fuck nigga to i dont give a shyt bout his middle name hoe

3 Trillion Downloads Incorrect

The last line under the Career section says Crank That has sold more than 3 "trillion" downloads. As per the link cited [12] Crank That has only sold 3 "million" digital downloads. 3 trillion is an unrealistic number so if someone could change that as it is a glaring error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.62.120 (talk) 06:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed. The citation provided is sourced to a press release from Interscope records. We could use an independent source confirming this figure, and it being the highest ever. / edg ☺ ☭ 07:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Move to Soulja Boy Tell 'Em?

His official name is Soulja Boy Tell 'Em. He was Soulja Boy up until he got sued, and now he's Soulja Boy Tell 'Em.

Because of that, shouldn't we move the page to Soulja Boy Tell 'Em, with "Soulja Boy" redirecting to "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em"?

I don't see why not. Redbull47 (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Please move page to appropriate name "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em" since it is the official name of the artist per their management, record label, etc. --WheezyF (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no way to move the page since it is move protected. Because of that, I created a redirect instead. Everyone okay with that? Rappingwonders2 (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted the redirect. The cut and paste move needs to be fixed so edits aren't lost. On another note I strongly disagree with moving the article. Souja Boy is the common name and should be used. No one calls him by his full stage name and so it shouldn't be used. A note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hip hop might garner further comments. Eóin (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
But he calls himself by that. And some people like to call by that. So actually, some people do call him that. Also, so far, you're the only person that opposes the move. Rappingwonders2 (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Didn't know that he called himself that. I still oppose the move on the basis that majority of people refer to him as simply "Soulja Boy". On a technical note the page can be moved with an administrators help. WheezyF had the right idea. Eóin (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Crank & Crunk

Hi everyone,

I want to know, is it right that Crank is just choregraphy derivate from Crunk ? Thanks Vortesteur (talk) 21:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

certification

I changed his RIAA certification from gold to TBA for Souljaboytellem.com. I did it because there is not listing on the RIAA search database of the album being certified gold. His only certification is a 2x platinum mastertone certification for crank that. Seth71 (talk) 15:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

An incorrect reference

Reference 11 says "2004" but should say 2007 as in the article Jtbagwelljr (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


Soulja Boy on Newgrounds

I think it's very important to keep my edit about Soulja Boy being on Newgrounds, and I know that it is not someone impersonating him because he even advertised that he Newgrounds profile on his website.

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk)

How is it useful? --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Cuz it's amazing! He's probably the only celebrity on NG.

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk)

That's seems to be an opinion. Honestly, I see no reason having it there. It's like SPAM for him. I think it shouldn't be included 'cause there's no point to it. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright but could you AT least keep the link at the bottom the page where it says "External Links" to his Newgrounds profile? Because that's really relevant. ~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Again, how? When a reasonable answer is up, then it can remain. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fine the reasonable answer is why do you have Soulja Boy's MySpace up there but you won't let his Newgrounds mean for god sakes he had a Newgrounds profile long before he had a MySpace, the only reason why he even has a MySpace is because every celbrity does, I'm sure Soulja Boy would love to have his Newgrounds on a Wikipedia page seeing how he always uses his Newgrounds profile cuz he changes the pictures and udates new profile posts alot. He even has new cartoons in the making.

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk)

Other stuff exists is not a good argument for your stuff. Not every site where Soulja Boy has a public account profile is worth listing. Unsigned musicians often use MySpace to post and sell music, which makes it a standard external link for musicians, and especially relevant in Soulja Boy's biography. However, it is not desirable for an encyclopedic article to list Souja Boy's Yahoo profile (if any), or his public profiles on various forums and boards. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If argument via WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't convince anyone, do you really think repeating same argument using ALLCAPS will get you what you want? Soulja Boy's YouTube video is significant in his biography, predating his official albums and apparently played an important part in getting him signed. You still have not made a case for your link, and it is seeming like you do not have one. / edg ☺ ☭ 20:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but that guy was just pissing me off, I am sorry for the ALL CAPS and tha typed in-cursing but he told me if I gave him a valid point of putting up Soulja Boy's Newgrounds account then it can let be, but he just tackles my fact right back, it's like he's setting me up just to make me look bad.

I mean if Soulja Boy has a YouTube profile (I'm just assuming these videos are on his profile because i'm too lazy to check out his YouTube Channel myself) it probably has Music videos such as his smash hit Crank That with smaller unpopular stuff inbetween. And that is also for Soulja Boy's fans to see what he posts on YouTube, it's really relevant to have his NG profile on this Wiki-page because i'm sure Soulja Boy is proud of his NG profile AND accoringly his cartoons seeing how he leaves an add to his NG profile on the front page of his website.

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk)

Krakerz: You were asked for a "reasonable" answer, and you still have not provided one. This Wikipedia article is not a list of things Soulja Boy is "proud" of. For something along those lines, you might want to ask Soulja Boy to link his NG profile from http://www.souljaboytellem.com .
Please read Wikipedia's external links policy. The NG profile contains no unique information about this article's topic. In fact it contains very little information at all. There is no reason to include it on Wikipedia, other than to promote Newgrounds. It is spam. Please do not add it again. / edg ☺ ☭ 20:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


Do what you want, I have lost this war... (-_-)...

~Ya Boi Krakerz~ (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Biased toward Southern rap

Quotes like "emphasizing catchy, mindless music that discards rap's traditional emphasis on message" is a bit biased and opinionated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.41.21 (talk) 03:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems fairly neutral to me. Within WP:NPOV, how would you phrase it differently? / edg ☺ ☭ 03:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Seems fairly true to me. StardustDragon 22:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Soulja Boy as an online personality

I'm getting the impression that prior to his music fame Soulja Boy had made himself a noticeable personality in various online forums, and some of the edits to this article are reactions to his reputation in that space. Does anyone have (reliable, non self published) sources for this? If this is an unusually important part of his image, information on his history and reputation in such circles might be worth including in the article.

I should add that since it is normal for people SB's age to spend much time online, so that fact that SB belongs to certain sites and does stuff online is not ipso facto notable. We need a reliable source saying his presence is remarkably well-known. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Eazy-E

Someone said that ?Eazy-E? helped produce Soulja Boy's albums and that Soulja Boy's first album sold more copies than Tupac Shakur's record of 75 million album sales. I find this to be B.S. Don't know who Eazy-E is though. Is he working with Soulja Boy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.218.109 (talk) 00:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

WTF? That's complete nonsense! I don't need much explanation about this. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


Well beside the obvious false 2Pac comment i can give you 3 reasons why Eazy-E didnt produce Soulja boy's ablbum 1.Soulja boy has stated multiple times he produced his whole album on a simple computer program at home all by himself with some minor help. 2.Eazy-E was one of the members of the legendary NWA (you may know members Ice Cube and Dr.Dre) and would never work with someone like Soulja Boy. 3.Eazy-E has been dead for over 10 years. Parralax (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC) How would you not know Easy E is dead?

The middle name listed is wrong

Deandre Way's middle name is Cortez and not Ramone. Can someone please edit? Thanks Digitaltemp (talk) 18:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the sources point at as Ramone. Not Cortez. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 18:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The Vh1 source listed is incorrect. If you do a google search for Deandre Cortez Way you'll see instances where it is mentioned it is his real name. I work his digital marketing project at his record label and he asked me yesterday to correct his middle name. Digitaltemp (talk) 18:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Back up this claim and we'll fix it. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 18:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/tags/deandre+cortez+way/default.aspx Digitaltemp (talk) 19:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking for an update on this - anyone? Digitaltemp (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

A random blog does not count as a citation when compared with VH1Parralax (talk) 19:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Try looking at Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidelines. I do notice that there are more hits for "Deandre Cortez Way" than "Deandre Ramone Way". Eóin (talk) 19:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Many of those hits may be articles copying "Cortez" from this Wikipedia article, or each other. Last time I checked, the VH1 article was earlier. It may not be 100% certain, but it is a more reliable source than any number of blog mentions. / edg ☺ ☭ 19:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

So how does this get resolved? Do I need to contact Vh1 to try and get them to change that page? His middle name is in fact Cortez, and not Ramone. Digitaltemp (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That article is old and unlikely to be updated. How would they have gotten "Ramone" if that is not his middle name? / edg ☺ ☭ 23:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Beats me. One person states it wrong once and it virally spread I guess. How about referencing his myspace page? Check his bio - it states Deandre Cortez Way - http://www.myspace.com/souljaboytellem Digitaltemp (talk) 23:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking for an update on this - anyone? Digitaltemp (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That should be acceptable. Any objections to changing it to Cortez? Eóin (talk) 21:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand how it changed from Ramone to Cortez, and "Cortez" wasn't on his MySpace page 2 days ago. However, if Mr. Way makes this claim himself, it probably isn't worth disputing. I still doubt this is his birthname. / edg ☺ ☭ 21:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Cool - so can you change please? Digitaltemp (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Final verdict: According to both AllMusic.com and VH1.com, His last middle name is Ramone...I've seen way more bizarre versions here that haven't been supported reliably. Thus, please do not change the name unless you have real evidence to do so.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Final verdict? And how did you become the judge in this matter? One obvious mistake you've made is saying his "last name is Ramone." Had you actually read anything, you would know that his MIDDLE name is being disputed. Ramone is thought to be his middle, not last name. So please do not act as though your bogus opinions and self bestowed powers of giving verdicts count for anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.242.199.17 (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Woops sorry. And please, no personal attacks. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
While I disagree with the tone of the IP editor, they have a valid point. There was a consensus to change the name listed to Cortez and you should not have unilaterally changed it. There are numerous new sources that use Cortez. e.g. [1] [2] [3] The name should be changed back to Cortez but this time with a note explaining the discrepancy like when it was first changed. [4] ~ Eóin (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Still it seems that "Ramone" is correct - that's listed as the middle name on AllMusic.com, arguably the most reliable, authoritative source for information about musicians. VH1, one of America's most popular cable music channels, also lists that. I did some web searching and found some more sources to suggest "Ramone" is correct:
You see, the Internet is full of falsehoods and misinformation, and possibly the "Cortez" was picked up off some Wikipedia vandalism. The Signal is a college-published paper and its reliability is thus questionable.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Handguns in video!

Soulja Boy is listed here as giving a positive vibe without the violent overtones. But when you look at his original video, the one referenced in his high-money video, he's waving handguns during his dance and pointing them into the audience! Any reasonable fan could only assume the original was the "real" version of the dance and that the one in the mass-released video was censored by a desire for money. Between the unnatural hypersexual and hyperviolent themes, there really needs to be more than one disregarded sentence of controversy. --Mrcolj (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Back to School?

If this is real, put up a source.

-Piazzajordan2

It's not

Ice T

Shouldn't we put information regarding Soulja boy and Ice T feud? They sent messages to each other via youtube. seems that its getting alot of media attention. Ice T said that he single handedly killed hip hop. Soulja boy responded through a youtube video, stating that if Ice T thought that, he should do something about the hip hop scene, instead of just sitting down and insulting a 17 year old boy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.201.13.150 (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


Soulja Boy isn’t known for controversy and beef – unless you count the Ice-T fiasco awhile back - as much as he is known as being a fun rapper. But now it appears that the rapper, who has cashed in on youtube fame and a dance craze, has become the target of up and coming NYC emcee Charles Hamilton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antfort (talk • contribs) 19:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Although, Kanye West did defend him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babi pimpin (talk • contribs)

Apology

How come this section says that Ice T "failed to offer an apology," when if you look at the YouTube video, he clearly DID apologize -- several times, in fact. (But it's true that he reiterated that he feels Soulja Boy is "garbage.") 71.198.65.9 (talk) 20:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Connection With 50 Cent?

In the thank you notes of Tell'Em.com, Soulja Boy says something like "Thank you 50 Cent". Correct me, if I'm wrong but I don't a loser like this geek would ever write a song with 50 Cent. Is there a secret feud going on between the two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.37.115 (talk) 02:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

50 Cent and Soulja Boy are personal friends. Soulja Boy looks up to 50 Cent and would like to have the same commercial and business success as 50. You can check them out together on 50's website on Youtube where he says he likes Soulja Boy alott. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI1OCyPuKqE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headhunter65 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Warning?

Is it possible to put a note of concern at the top of the article (and other applicable articles) that it contains questionable language or language unsuitable for readers under a certain age? I don't know the best way to express that, since "questionable," "unsuitable," "foul," or "vulgar" are matters of opinion. Or, instead of directly quoting personalites, put a link to where the quotes came from, so one can choose to read or avoid them. (such as "Click (link) for (celebrity's) comment/response" or a link called "(Celebrity's) comment/response") NBK1122 (talk) 05:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. --Geniac (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Soulja Boy Cartoon?

In this Youtube video posted by Soulja Boy (a little after 4:16) he claims that there will be a Soulja Boy cartoon on TV this coming fall. Does anyone have any other information on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.8.59 (talk) 19:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Article title

So which name will it be, "Soulja Boy" or "Soulja Boy Tell 'em". The article was recently moved without consensus and I'd like to see a discussion regarding naming. Personally I think "Soulja Boy" should be the title as it is much more commonly use. Additional opinions welcome. 71.210.187.38 (talk) 05:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the official name has "Tell Em" added to the front, as in All Music Guide, MTV.com, and the official site. An encyclopedia should show the official name of the stage name, and of course the title "Soulja Boy" would work as a redirect to the actual "Soulja Boy Tell Em" title. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Also Shaheem Reid of MTV News used the "Tell Em" name on this recent interview. But otherwise other media outlets still omit "Tell Em" such as MSNBC, The Dallas Morning News, HipHopDX, and The New York Observer. However, the mainstream media doesn't always get things right, and popular belief isn't necessarily fact. Thus I support "Tell Em" added to the back.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
More evidence: As early as "Crank That" was a #1 hit back in the fall the press put his official name as "Tell 'Em", as The New York Times (one of the most trusted newspapers in the US) has asserted in October and December of 2007.

SELF EDITED PAGE

Is it only me who notices that this page gets edited almost every week if not in every 2 days range. Soulja boy knows the net as much as We do(editors etc) so am 100% sure that he edits his page too —Preceding unsigned comment added by LarryTheGreat (talk • contribs) 18:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


more than that, look at the history HE MADE THE PAGE THE FIRST TIME


Soulja Boy Tellem Signs Shoe and Apparel Deal with Yums Shoes

SANTA MONICA, Calif. (Map) - SANTA MONICA, Calif., July 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Collipark Music / Interscope Records and mega-trend-setting Atlanta rap artist Soulja Boy Tell'em, announce a multi-year sneaker and apparel contract with Yums Shoes that will tap into Soulja Boys Tell'em's growing influence as a top-selling artist. This tier one endorsement allows the rapper, in conjunction with Yums' designer Tex, to design his own signature shoe within the Yums' Block Star line of sneakers, which uniquely emblazon the soles of each colorfully crafted shoe with graffiti art. Soulja Boy Tell'em and Tex will also design street-oriented apparel for Yums Shoes.

(Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20080701/LATU532)

Soulja Boy Tell'em's Grammy-nominated Number 1 single "Crank That (Soulja Boy)," from his Platinum souljaboytellem.com CD, ignited an international hip-hop video and dance phenomenon in 2007 and 2008. The song also created a digital download and ringtone frenzy worldwide, with over 3 million downloads of the song and ringtone to date, placing Soulja Boy Tell'em in the forefront of influence on trends and dress styles. This unique coupling between Interscope Records, Soulja Boy Tell'em and Yums Shoes, with its "Block Star" line of boldly colored shoes and graffiti-influence, will utilize Interscope Records' strategic marketing muscle to reach a broader consumer spectrum.

Soulja Boy Tell'em joins forces with Yums "Supa Throwed" designer and legendary Dallas graffiti artist Tex (one of the founding members of Infinity Crew) and JP McDade, CEO of Yums Shoes. Their successful collaboration has positioned Yums Shoes as THE sneaker of choice throughout the hip-hop nation. Tex says of the deal between Collipark Music / Interscope Records, Soulja Boy Tell'em and Yums Shoes: "This is a natural fit for Yums Shoes, Interscope and Soulja Boy Tell'em. It clearly demonstrates how music and fashion blend together." McDade adds, "The shoes and clothing line allow the wearer to express his or her personality, because each shoe is an individual piece of art. Soulja Boy Tell'em will be able to assist in designing shoes and apparel exactly the way he would want them to look. And with Interscope's considerable marketing savvy, we expect this effort to be our biggest, most far-reaching yet."

Super producer Mr. Collipark, who appears on the video to "Crank That (Soulja Boy)," hints at bigger things to come for Soulja Boy Tell'em, adding, "We are very excited and have high expectations for this opportunity and future Soulja Boy Tell'em endeavors, including movies and television."

Steve Berman, President, Sales and Marketing, Interscope Geffen A&M, said of the agreement: "Soulja Boy Tell'em has a sense of cultural radar that's unrivaled. He built his own brand and we were lucky enough to work with him to take it to the next level. Soulja Boy Tell'em's innate sense for what his fans want makes him the perfect artist to have a sneaker line. We're excited to partner with him on this."

Please visit http://www.yumsshoes.com for an extensive display of YUMS Shoes designs, apparel and more.

"Nickelback of hip hop"

'Several reviewers credited Soulja Boy with spearheading a new trend in hip-hop, while speculating he will likely be a one hit wonder.[18][19][20] Even with one review dubbing Soulja Boy the "Nickelback of hip hop"[21].' The use of this quote is confusing. Is it infering that Soulja Boy is going to set a new trend or that Soulja Boy is going to be a one-hit wonder? If it is infering that Nickelback is a one hit wonder, it is erroneous. Nickelback's generic sound is open to criticism, but they do have three multi-platnum albums, and number one hits. The source of the quote, a caption for a picture that is featured on an online college newspaper article that is basically a rant, is shakey no matter what the quote is refering to. (TheFlaviusAetius (talk) 01:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC))

I think they're simply comparing Soulja Boy to Nickelback by musical style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.48.27 (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm gonna remove it until there is an explanation of the comparison. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Funny, I thought he was a no hit wonder PXK T /C 05:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

New Image

I found a free licensed picture from Flickr.com and posted it has the new image in the info box. Enjoy. --eric (mailbox) 17:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not freely licensed. It's a promo that I've seen used as a promo many times. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 17:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

  • "soundclick" :
    • [http://www.soundclick.com/members/default.cfm?member=Soulja-Boy Soulja Boy] at [[SoundClick]]
    • [http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=372975 Soulja Boy Official Soundclick Profile]

DumZiBoT (talk) 04:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

NOT A RAPPER

Soulja Boy is NOT a rapper. I have changed the first sentence in the article saying that he is an entertainer. I repeat, he is not a rapper. We should not mislead people with false information. Dr.Buu (talk) 07:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

edit requested

iSouljaBoy doesn't link anymore, remove the link brackets —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.63.25 (talk) 01:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Move request to add "Tell 'em" to the name

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 15:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Soulja Boy → Soulja Boy Tell 'Em — This name is now used throughout the media; "Soulja Boy" can simply be a redirect — Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose Bad capitalization (see below). Otherwise, I don't care. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Support moving the page to Soulja Boy Tell 'Em, not Soulja Boy Tell 'em. Xnux the Echidna 00:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support per media coverage of the full name. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose While "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em" is used throughout the media so is just "Soulja Boy". He still calls himself that on YouTube and MySpace. I still believe that keeping the article where it is satisfies WP:COMMONNAME. I also that Google has 6x more hits for just "Soulja Boy" rather than "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em" Eóin (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Of course Soulja Boy appears more on Google than Soulja Boy Tell'em, because "Soulja Boy" is counted as part of "Soulja Boy Tell'em" to Google. In other words, the shorter name will return results for both "Soulja Boy" and "Soulja Boy Tellem," etc. 207.80.142.5 (talk) 20:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Soulja Boy" seems to be official term, as well as more commonly used. GlassCobra 01:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Support Sources provided below indicate that copyright issues forced the rapper to take "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em" as his official name. GlassCobra 02:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Support the page should be moved to Soulja boy Tell 'Em because that really is his official and copyrighted name and simply Soulja Boy is just a short little nickname.76.101.122.31 (talk)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Evidence: Myspace, Allmusic, MTV.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment I'm indifferent to whether or not this is moved, but "'em" should be capitalized as it is a contraction of "them." —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Reply: Actually, "'em" eliminates "th" from "them" so it serves as an "incomplete" version of "them", thus I prefer it be lower case. If people type in other variants "Soulja Boy Tell Em", "Soulja Boy Tellem", "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em", etc. they can be working redirects. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Reply: Just because "'em" is a contraction of "them" doesn't mean it shouldn't be capitalized. "'Em" is still a noun, and nouns are always capitalized in title case as per WP:CAPS (also, words at the end of phrases in title case are always capitalized as per WP:MUSTARD). There isn't a good reason to ignore these guidelines; most of the media capitalizes the "'em" in Soulja Boy Tell 'Em anyway. Xnux the Echidna 00:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
        • Reply: OK you may be right then; I go for capitalizing the E. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
  • If the article is moved I think the prefered name would be "Soulja Boy Tell’em" as per this offical looking bio.[5] Eóin (talk) 03:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Still the title on my browser includes the space, as does the site logo. Most other websites prefer the space. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 05:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment My feeling is that we should go with the spelling on the rapper's personal webpage. SouljaBoyTellEm.com indicates that the correct usage would be "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em," capital E. Further, the lead of the article should be updated to note that the rapper's legal issues forced him to change his name. GlassCobra 02:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sex tape

ATTENTION PEOPLE!!!! THAT IS NOT SOULJA BOY ON THAT TAPE!!!!! I've started hearing rumors about that tape yesterday, and I looked it up this morning. The acutal person on that tape name is Sexcyone and he's and adult entertainer. The reason I know this is because he is a personal friend of mine. Someone who has too much time in their life and can't find something constructive to do to better the world photoshopped Soulja boy on Sexcyone's body. People, please stop the rumors and leave Soulja Boy personal life alone.--—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.90.223 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 5 September 2008

EDIT: Should've said, the link is to explicit material, sorry. Is the sex tape notable? Don't know the policy on this kind of stuff is, mainly was wondering why it hadn't been discussed. Klassobanieras (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

This video is liable. It has hit public media and I'm hearing it left and right. I even saw something on FOX News about this earlier today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.133.194.40 (talk) 01:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't even think about putting something this speculative in the article. --eric (mailbox) 10:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

a racist comment

Soulja boy recently gave a "shout out" to slave masters. Shouldn't we mention this? http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-30/a-rapper-salutes-the-slave-trade/ YVNP (talk) 04:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

This should be mentioned on the page and it is also a reliable source.99.247.212.174 (talk) 05:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

iSouljaBoyTellEm

Under 1.2.4 iSouljaBoyTellEm it says a source is needed for the release date of the album. Not sure if it counts as a reliable source, but on a video posted on youtube (via hiphopgame.com) at the end it says 'In stores december 16', plus in the video he says 'a week after 50 cent'. In the video he is talking about starting a campaign called 'Let's Go Platnium in a Week' so should that be mentioned in the article too? http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=3276 The link to the video. Tydamann (talk) 21:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

A YouTube video of him talking is not a reliable source. For a release date, you need something more solid, like an Amazon.com listing or the record label website. And on checking Amazon for the nth time, I see they've finally added a release date (and track list). I'll stick that in the article. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 21:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

references in pop culture

Is there a reason the "References in popular culture" should not be deleted? This tangential reference doesn't seem encyclopedic to me. Why is it here? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

With no objections raised, I've removed this unencyclopedic section. -- Mikeblas (talk) 05:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

YouTube as reference?

I'm concerned about the use of YouTube videos as references. I can't discern any distinct direction on this from WP:REF, though WP:EL is mostly pretty conservative about it. Is it really the right thing to do? Shouldn't more substantial references be available, and be used? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

  • You raise an interesting point. But as Soulja boy's career was essentially started on YouTube, and his feud with Ice-T has played out there, in this case it's a relevant primary source. In any case in which YouTube material is open to interpretation, editors might wish to support their edits with secondary sources referring to YouTube material as well. --Boston (talk) 23:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure I understand how the use of YouTube at the beginning of his career overrides Wikipedia's policies, how how the feud you mention is relevant. This is a case where the YouTube video is subject to interpretation because it's evaluating a subjective aspect of the video itself. We'd expect these assertions to be substantiated expert opinions in critical reviews or academic analysis, not by the material itself. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

iSouljaBoytellem Misleeding

iSouljaboy did not get at 40 it was 43 this may seem as not a big deal, but accuracy is important.

Am I the only one that feels as if half of the info on this page is made up? Looking at the info on the page it makes me think if soulja boy is adding this stuff on the page himself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.212.174 (talk) 05:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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