Talk:St George's Tron Church

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Tron[edit]

A tron is a (medieval) public balance or steelyard operated by a local authority and usually set adjacent to the marketplace. There's still one standing in Stenton, East Lothian.

My Scots dictionary defines tron as "marketplace", so I guess it means the church in the marketplace. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:41, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

POV[edit]

Wikipedia is supposed to stay completely neutral regarding faiths. I think that referring in the article to "the life-changing word of God" may be breaching that impartiality. 22:36, Mai 14, 2007

You are quite right. I'm sorry it has been a year and a half since your post. But I have removed that. --Doric Loon (talk) 17:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anglican[edit]

I've removed the reference to Anglicanism in the above box. This a congregation of the Church of Scotland (i.e. Presbyterian not Anglican). --Drumhollistan (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

People make that mistake all the time with the Church of Scotland. Where it gets confusing is the Church of Scotland bishops from the 17th century. Anglican or not? Keep up the good work. -- Secisek (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Secession[edit]

I've removed one of the presbytery objectives from the list given. All of them need a citation, but the third in particular is a POV-statement that could be potentially harmful to the congregation of SGT. It implies that the congregation there is not the same legal entity as it was before, which is currently disputed. As this could have serious implications for the future of the congregation, it cannot stand uncited.

The original three objectives read as follows:

1. To support any members who wish to remain in the denomination. 2. To maintain a Church of Scotland presence in the Parish, and to provide funeral cover to the 5000-strong Parish (although the Tron argues this is unnecessary). 3. To maintain the legal entity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konirm10 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Split into two articles - one on building; one on congregation?[edit]

Hi all, I wonder where the content about the congregation is now going. They can't really stay in this article since it is about the building-congregation combination that they no longer belong to. I would have thought them notable enough to justify an article? Grateful for any suggestions. Springnuts (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Departure of not just the minister[edit]

I have altered some editing which spoke of the departure of the minister as if only he had left. But it is pretty clear from press coverage and the C of S press release that the entire congregation have gone. Springnuts (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some extra bits from the press coverage of the dispute, although the rights and wrongs of this would probably best be left out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.173.242 (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think they've all gone - I understand a rump congregation still worships in the building unter the interim moderator. --Doric Loon (talk) 11:37, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand from the press coverage and the press release by the CofS itself, they did all go. It's been 6 months, of course, and it may be that the church has managed to attract a few people since then.

I've just seen that someone -- presumably a press officer for the Church of Scotland -- using a single-purpose account did a whitewash on the article, carefully removing all the stuff that made the headlines (i.e. was most notable). I've reported it to WP:ANI, although I don't know whether this will do much good. Worth being aware that someone is trying to hide the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.115.17 (talk) 20:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss major changes here first[edit]

I've just rolled back a series of edits that gave no explanation in the edit summary and reduced the total article references (from WP:RP sources such as the BBC) from 8 to 3. Major changes should be discussed here first, whenever possible, and even single edits that remove reliable sources should be explained, and/or, preferably, be countered in the article text with a rebuttal from another reliable source, rather than completely removed. AnonNep (talk) 18:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The same editor has whitewashed the page again, and I am minded to return to good. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 10:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding those references: two are dead links and one appears to be a blog. Jonathunder (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

These are the BBC refs that keep being removed - ^[1]^[2] AnonNep (talk) 14:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Charity regulator called into St George's Tron Kirk row". BBC. 2012-12-11. Retrieved 2013-10-29.
^ "St George's Tron congregation leaves over gay rights". BBC. 2012-12-09. Retrieved 2013-10-29.

Suggestion: remove the second external link to "The Tron Church", the new site of the departed congregation. Surely irrelevant as per WP:ELNO, as it does not pertain to the subject of the article? Lonestarsteve (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Done. (NB. Edit Summary from action by way of explanation - "Removing link to congregation that no longer meets here (as per Talk page suggestion). Article is focused on history/activity at this location not former congregations/groups.") AnonNep (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Charity regulator called into St George's Tron Kirk row". BBC. 2012-12-11. Retrieved 2013-10-29.

[2] "St George's Tron congregation leaves over gay rights". BBC. 2012-12-09. Retrieved 2013-10-29.

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