Talk:Thanatos

Nothingbutmeat (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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"Thanatos was regarded as merciless and indiscriminate, hated by—and hateful towards—mortals and the deathless gods."

This isn't accurate. Almost every single scrap of information we have on him portrays him as being gentle, generally depicting a kind - natural - death. So why does Wiki seem to be the only place insisting that he is merciless and hateful? Either cite it accurately and prove the statement, or remove it, just letting it sit there won't cut it.

Also, Erebos wasn't his father.. Hesiod was pretty straight forward about Night having bore her children without a father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zorikan (talk • contribs) 22:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

--The relevant source for your first point is Hesiod's Theogony lines 758-766:

"And there the children of dark Night have their dwellings, Sleep and Death, awful gods. [..] And the former of them roams peacefully over the earth and the sea's broad back and is kindly to men; but the other has a heart of iron, and his spirit within him is pitiless as bronze: whomsoever of men he has once seized he holds fast: and he is hateful even to the deathless gods."

I agree however that if this article talks about Letum (not 'Letus' by the way, I don't know who polluted the internet by making that mistake) then it should be reflected that the later Greek and especially some of the Roman ideas of the god of death were more benign than the older Hesiodic depiction. I will look for a source for this --

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From the article: "This postulated death drive allegedly compels humans to engage in risky and self-destructive acts that could lead to their own death. Behaviors such as thrill seeking, aggression, and risk taking are viewed as actions which stem from this Thanatos instinct." From another source: (http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/freud.html): "The day-to-day evidence of the death instinct and its nirvana principle is in our desire for peace, for escape from stimulation, our attraction to alcohol and narcotics, our penchant for escapist activity, such as losing ourselves in books or movies, our craving for rest and sleep." Walking and talking again, eh?. 71.201.215.196 (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

More about Thanatos in pop culture. The Dutch black metal band should be included.
The band's MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/thanatos666
Reference page on Metalunderground.com: http://www.metalunderground.com/bands/details.cfm?bandid=112 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormkorp (talk • contribs) 18:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanatos "Moirai" link is incorrect

On the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanatos page the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai link should be replaced with the correct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirae; Moirae is not spelled with an i. Moirai does not take you to the fates.

Sincerely:

67.72.98.106 (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Greek plural of moira is moirai — the -ae ending is a Latinized form. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

ancient Greek Thanatos

If anyone's interested in addressing the problems indicated by the tag, here's a possible source. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

another popular culture reference that is missing is to the science fiction novel - On a Pale Horse by Piers Anthony - the novel is one of a series - The Incarnations of Immortality - in which the author creates a story around different gods that play a role in Greek mythology.

Ecologist (talk) 03:39, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Another culture reference - The Venture Bros Season 4 Episode 14 "Assisted Suicide". Eros and Thanatos appear in "the Rusty"'s mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schiefaw (talk • contribs) 17:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Regarding this line in the article "Thanatos was regarded[by whom?] as merciless and indiscriminate, hated by—and hateful towards—mortals and the deathless gods." reconsider in the light of views such as this stated in The Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology "On the whole, later poets describe Death as a sad or terrific being (Horat. Carm. i. 4. 13, Sat. ii. 1. 58), but the best artists of the Greeks, avoiding any thing that might be displeasing, abandoned the ideas suggested to them by the poets. and represented Death under a more pleasing aspect." Tomandzeke (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC).

Thanatos was described as hateful in Theogony and Alcestis. Later, more favourbale depictions might have been driven by the same impulse that made Greeks call the Erinyes "Eumenides", the Kindly Ones: they wanted to avert heir wrath by placating them with kind words.

By the way: could anyone delete the info stating that Thanatos was the son of Erebos? Hesiod explicitly states that the dark personifications of negative phenomena like Death, Doom, Blame and other ones were children of Night alone, and she had them with no male partner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.10.11.26 (talk) 08:37, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to add a line to Popular Culture

Not sure if this counts, but:

"Thanatos is the name of Gallente carrier-class ship in the video game EVE Online."

Or something to that effect.

Barrien (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barrien (talk • contribs) 20:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC) 

in addition to,

"Thanatos is an assassin in the popular MOBA game Smite by Hi-Rez Studios." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark101505 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

It could also be remarked.

"Thanatos is also a demon who has appeared in multiple instances within the Megami Tensei franchise, having his first appearance in Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner"

References

Fandom.com isn't a citable source. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

selection only about greek god

go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thantos#Family for an editable page only about the greek god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2601:9:5980:1A6D:1152:B345:B22B:A71D (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit to introduction

Currently the article reads as follows: "His name is transliterated in Latin as Thanatus, but his equivalent in Roman mythology is Mors or Letus/Letum,[citation needed] and he is sometimes identified erroneously with Orcus (Orcus himself had a Greek equivalent in the form of Horkos, God of the Oath).[citation needed]"

Edith Hamilton's Mythology shows that this fact is at the very least contentious. She, a Greek mythology scholar, identifies Thanatus as being the same figure as Orcus. I suggest changing the text in the article to "identified perhaps erroneously" or removing erroneously altogether. jlcohoon 22:29, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

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In the first line of the first actual paragraph, a pronunciation for 'Thanatos' is requested. Here is the pronunciation using the IPA: θæn-ə-tos And pronunciation using the Latin alphabet: thán-a-tos 2 sources used: 1) "A Primer of Biblical Greek" by N. Clayton Croy, Eerdmans Publishing 1999, ISBN# 0802846289 (p18 is the vocab word & a study of the language as per this book, gives the pronunciation of the parts/symbols/dipthongs/letters 2) The Wiktionary entry online for 'Thanatos'

Done Stickee (talk) 01:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2014

Stress, {{IPAc-en}} and source for the transcription in the lede, ce:

In Greek mythology, Thanatos /ˈθænətɒs/ (Greek: Θάνατος [Greek pronunciation: [tʰánatos]] "Death", from θνῄσκω thnēskō "to die, be dying") was the daemon personification of death. He was a minor figure in Greek mythology, often referred to, but rarely appearing in person.

83.168.23.138 (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

References

Done -Thanks for the improvement suggested. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 15:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

"Thanatos was thus regarded as merciless and indiscriminate, hated by - and hateful towards — mortals gods alike." Suggest inserting the word "and" between the words "mortals" and "gods". --Lewis Goudy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.38.202.33 (talk) 17:55, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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Would it be appropriate to add more on the relationship/mythology of Thanatos and Hypnos? I have read some about the two being compared. Hypnos having a gentle touch similar to Thanatos. It may be interesting to add some art depicting to the two or a section on their combined mythology Jlsnow (talk) 20:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2018

Please add the following link to the See also section:

• Thanatosis

2606:A000:1126:2244:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 01:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Already done by Anachronist. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanatos article slanted towards gothier aspects

For some reason this article omits his more pleasant siblings such as Philotes (friendship) and seems biased to representing him as a force of darkness instead of a neutral description of him as a mythological figure.

I had to dive around multiple pages on wikipedia to get a probably still incomplete list of his family. I'm not the person to fix this, I would just introduce new issues, but I would like to suggest that these aspects be addressed by future editors with an interest in Greek Mythology.

Thank you to the people who've already added to this page a lot of useful information. 216.36.148.202 (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

If Freud didn't call what he believed to be a death instinct "Thanatos," what did he call it?

I was expecting to find the answer in this article for something I'm writing, but don't see it. Also, what about the concept of Mortido? That isn't Freud's word either, but has been used a lot, like for example by Eric Berne in his "Layman's guide" book, which he published in 1947 before he did Games People Play. ... Thanks .. 2600:8801:BE26:2700:ED12:2681:FFCC:D393 (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC) JJ Elias

God of sleep._./!

Book um did utts?!!?!(), hot water time traveling tricks. B_ ich's 789987 war,,, god,, it was here now gong. Golden drummer boy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.168.144.72 (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

First citation just links to other wikis

I went to check the first citation, which is labeled hesiod, theogony 220. Which seems to refer to a page number on a book. Though the common practice is to use p. 220.

The actual words themselves just link to their corresponding wikis. Which is obviously problematic. There's no way to tell what, if anything legitimate, this is referring to.

Don't book citations also normally have the ISBN included to facilitate finding it? I realize, of course, there are many citations of physical books which are not necessarily online. But, like I said, they include the ISBN, author, proper page number. Whereas this has no context at all.

Is anybody familiar with what this citation is referring to, that you might change it to be a little more self explanatory. Or should the citation just be removed outright?

I didn't want to remove it until I can ascertain exactly what it's referring to. If it is a legitimate citation that was somehow entered incorrectly, it would obviously be more ideal of it could be salvaged.

Thanks very much. And I mean it. Being a contributor is a thankless task. VoidHalo (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, the "212" in the citation doesn't refer to a page number, but to a line of the poem (the poem here being Hesiod's Theogony). The links on the words "Hesiod" and "Theogony" are links to other Wikipedia pages, which allows the reader to find information about the author and the work being cited. External links to a translation of the passage cited aren't compulsory, but are very helpful; I've added one here. The main problem here is that, while the text was cited, no corresponding bibliographic entry, indicating the translation being cited, was given. Hopefully this clears up any confusion. – Michael Aurel (talk) 10:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)