Talk:The Game (mind game)

Invention

Hello all. This game wasn't made by schoolchildren but by an adult who based it on "Ginsberg's theorem". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginsberg%27s_theorem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.160.188 (talk) 20:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 2 November 2011

The sentence "The idea behind The Game is similar to Douglas Hofstadter's number P, the number of minutes per month a person thinks about the letter P.[9]" should read "The idea behind The Game is similar to Douglas Hofstadter's number P, the number of minutes per month a person thinks about the number P.[9]" The self-referential nature of the number P is lost in the current version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.253.218 (talk)

By 'number P' am I correct in thinking it's refeering to this? If so, then I will happily make the edit. He's Gone Mental 08:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. It doesn't have anything to do with #P, but the IP is right, it's supposed to be self-referential. You can see that even Hofstadter says you should be thinking of the number P (link). — Bility (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

article legitimacy

no where is it marked that this "game" is a joke or pun, thus causing the article to be illegitimate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuchesezik (talk • contribs) 22:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

That's what numerous cited refs call it, so Wikipedia:Article titles says that's what we call it here...not our place to pass judgement about it. Per the linked article about the concept of a game being "a joke or pun" is not a requirement to meet the definition. DMacks (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Appears to meet notability, seen articles with vastly less support for being than this. Famously, Wittgenstein explores language in looking at what constitutes a game. What this is apparently is a immature and childish meme that would be interesting to teens and some young adults and which illustrates the issues with language LW was investigating. This thing is a social phenomenon calling itself a game which is actually the negation of the common conceptual essence of all games, which are the set of rules and the objective of play which in this case is stated as not playing. Only interesting in what it says about the culture that spawns it and how the participants therein are able to respond to such a thing. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 16:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

Some people have resorted to texting "Thug aim" to their friends as a way of making them lose "The Game"— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajoy1293 (talk • contribs) 00:40, January 18, 2012‎

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request

request for IJustLostTheGame.net to be added to external links iam4423 (talk) 02 February 2012 21:05

N Not done, does not appear to meet our external links policy--Jac16888 ^Talk 21:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 February 2012

As mentioned in an earlier version of this article, it mentioned that it took between a few seconds up to 30 minutes before one could lose the game again. It also mentioned that one known version of the rules is that only a person with "diplomatic influence" may exempt you from the game, this did not include such specifics as it does now. Due to this previous version of this article, a large majority of the "players" of The Game follow the "30 minute rule" as well as the rule that an official with "diplomatic influence" may exclude one from the game. I would like to request that these rules are specified as another known version of the game, and it may but isn't necessarily required that is be mentioned that it is due to Wikipedia that these rules have been so widely accepted both in person and online.

Due to an earlier version of this Wikipedia article, some players have been known to follow up to a 30 minute grace period. Some also claim that one can be exempt from The Game if an official with diplomatic influence states that they, the player, are exempt.

Note: The following web archive of a previous version of this article as well as other sources include more specifics on the grace period, while it does mention the 30 minute rule along with citing, I could not find a captured snapshot of the article which included the second rule mentioned above. These are all sources either previously considered credible by Wikipedia or are credible to The Game directly. As the game can have "additional rules" and with the credibility of these links, should this not be accepted, then there are some sources on the current article I feel are neither credible. http://web.archive.org/web/20081218055137/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28mind_game%29 http://www.losethegame.net/faq "What are the official rules of the game?" http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20080117/thegame_youlose_080117/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.179.224 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 5 February 2012‎

Not done: Please phrase your request in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Response: Sorry, it's more of an append than a replacement. It fits into context at the end of rules within the last paragraph. I do apologize, it's my first Wikipedia request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.179.224 (talk) 04:44, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• These links do not back up your claim that the use of the 10-min. grace period was because of this article.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Please review the above request. I was mistaken the exact time as noted in the articles however I did give you concrete proof as reference to the time therefore please give it your full attention as opposed to a moment's glance. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.179.224 (talk) 04:50, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• Simply, I can't verify it. You're claiming that the notion that players use a grace period is because of an older version of this article. Your sources don't say that.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Response: losethegame.net specifically mentions it at the location I said.. Also, apparently the other article was updated however the original states 30 minutes as well. Either way, the original wikipedia article did mention this as well as that site which is a primary source for information on the game. And to save you effort, I'll past the entire paragraph: It is unlikely that the true origin of The Game will ever be proven, and as such there are no official rules. As The Game spreads mainly by word-of-mouth, there are numerous variants and interpretations. The three rules stated on LoseTheGame.com represent the core rules that are most commonly played. The most common additional rule played by many people worldwide is that of 'grace periods'. This is a specified period of time (usually 10-30 minutes long) during which you cannot lose The Game after you have already lost.

And of course as it is stated above, no one place will have exact information. However many sites concur with this rule-set.

• What's your claim? I can't see the majority of players following the grace period rule.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

On the contrary, every player I've ever seen has mentioned it if the game is ever called two times in a short period. And I've played with many, I've actually made 20+ lose at a convention a time or two... I just want to see this added once again because I teach many people about the game and its easier to get more rules about the game introduced at one place and I was able to until that part was removed from Wikipedia. Though I'm actually not sure why they removed it. =/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.4.179.224 (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: It sounds as though the request would be contentious even if you were specific about the text you want to add. Please try to reach a consensus and either have one of the auto-confirmed editors in the discussion correct it or start a new request. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 07:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 February 2012

As mentioned in an earlier version of this article, it mentioned that it took between a few seconds up to 30 minutes before one could lose the game again. The article had some quite concrete links associated with it. Also, I have found some sites to support this as well. Due to this previous version of this article as well as other articles associated with The Game, a large majority of the "players" of The Game follow the "30 minute rule" and choose 30 minutes as it is the maximum because no one wants to lose faster (obviously). I would like to request that this rule is specified.

After you have announced your loss, some variants allow for a grace period, during which you cannot lose the game, which varies in time. After you have announced your loss, some variants allow for a grace period between 3 seconds to 30 minutes, during which you cannot lose the game.

- Supporting links - Previous citation for this article used by Wikipedia: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20080117/thegame_youlose_080117/ "You then have three seconds to forget the game and then you can be reminded and lose again, explains Allison Thomas, a Grade 12 student in Cole Harbour, N.S., in an e-mail. Other people allow up to half an hour to forget about the game."

http://www.losethegame.net/faq -> What are the official rules of the game? "The three rules stated on LoseTheGame.com represent the core rules that are most commonly played. The most common additional rule played by many people worldwide is that of 'grace periods'. This is a specified period of time (usually 10-30 minutes long) during which you cannot lose The Game after you have already lost."

(Note: LoseTheGame.com is also LoseTheGame.net, it is the primary place for information on The Game.)

Not done: It is a bad idea to remove the comments of others on a talk page. I have restored the sections above and left your new request here at the end. Now that you have stated the change you'd like to make, you can try to get some agreement here on the talk page before renewing your request. My uninterested opinion is that "to forget the game" is difficult to understand, but that being more specific about the duration of the grace period is an improvement. Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference, the faq and the other reference are ok and both would support "to thirty minutes". Celestra (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay, I was just cleaning up some space because I didn't want to flood the talk page... Also, "to forget the game" can be removed... It was just a suggestion but surely not required for it. However thanks for the input, if you want I can revise the above request or let it as-is for any future viewing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ordubis (talk • contribs) 09:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well since there was an unusually long lapse in time with no reply, I decided to update the above request and I'll see if everyone agrees to the new request. Also, if needed, I would be happy to find more citations to support the request. This is the first thing I have ever requested to change on Wikipedia, so I do apologize if this is at all disorganized.

Done I re-read the objections above and they don't really apply to the latest request. I'll make the change as requested (except spelling the numbers per MOS) and let the normal process take its course. Thanks for the improvement. Celestra (talk) 00:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)