Talk:Tony Jones (theologian)

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Notability[edit]

This entry has been tagged to ask for more secondary sources to further establish Tony Jones' notability. At some point I will work on more reliable sources if no one else does. However, it should be noted that many other people of similar statue and acclaim, such as Rachel Held Evans and Doug Pagitt, had entries long before this entry and continue to have entries.Eb7473 (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Tonyjones has been editing the biography section[edit]

I'll make a note above. 121.45.218.89 (talk) 13:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Adding properly referenced information to Tony Jones (theologian)[edit]

I tried to add some more sources with a range of views to the article. Some of them weren't reliable, but all of them were reverted. Then the text was reverted. So I will post some of the sources here so people can use them. 121.45.218.89 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

snip of unreliable sources from blogs

My apologies, I finally understand that blogs are not reliable sources in this context. 121.45.218.89 (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Statement on Court Case duration from Court Documents[edit]

I think I've come up with a factual statement based on reliable sources (court documents):

  • Note: the documents are protected by image verification and mandatory search. Use the id or title to find them. Is there a better way to note that than comments and the "registration required" parameter? (The only other option appears to be "subscription required", which doesn't fit at all.) 121.45.218.89 (talk) 20:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I would like consensus on this before proposing the edit to the Personal Life section. What do you think? 121.45.218.89 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Tony Jones and his ex-wife Julie McMahon have been involved in two court cases stretching from 2008-2014, including appeals.[1][2]

No again. See WP:BLPPRIMARY. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 20:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Wow, that's really strict and a little strange. So I can't even say: "The court case lasted X years"? I don't even mention what the court case is about. 121.45.218.89 (talk) 20:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Well that's the policy. And since you can't source it in the end the information does not belong in the article. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 20:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Tony Jones' Self-Published Work - List[edit]

Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves:

  • on being called a borderline racist [3]
  • I'm tired of being called a racist [4]
  • Theology of Marriage - There Are Two Marriages (he wrote a book on this, too, I think) [5]
  • So are these OK to use? 121.45.218.89 (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Requested Edit: Tony Jones has three children.[edit]

Before this morning's edit war, the article stated that Tony Jones lived with his 3 children (which is factually incorrect, and unsupported by reliable sources). It may also have implied that they were his children with his second wife (which is unclear, and unsupported by reliable sources).

However, he does have 3 children, which is supported by his own blog[1].

I can't see that this change is at all controversial, but please feel free to wait to gain consensus here. 121.45.218.89 (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Please add the following text and reference to Tony_Jones_(theologian)#Personal_life, after "Jones is divorced and lives in Minnesota with his second wife.": 121.45.218.89 (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

  • He has three children.[6]
Yes check.svg Done §FreeRangeFrogcroak 01:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Further Sources for Review[edit]

I don't know if any of the following sources qualify - I think about.com may be very much like a blog:

Is Tony Jones still employed by Solomon's Porch as Theologian in Residence?[edit]

Multiple sources claim that Tony Jones is (or was, at the time) Solomon's Porch Theologian-in-Residence. But he's not on their staff page. Which set of facts wins? How do we document this in the article? Or do we need a third-party source? (It's so hard to argue from the absence of evidence that Tony is on staff, that it is evidence of absence from the staff.) twilsonb (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

A Minn Post article which quotes both Jones and the lead pastor of this church titles him as Theologian In Residence. It is also the title used in dozens of other references from universities, publishers, and other sources as recently as 2015. The Theologian In Residence does not seem to be an administrative staff position that would keep office hours at the building. Note: The church does not list its board members, advisors, or other similar positions on its website. To remove this, we would need proof that negates this fact that appears in so many resources, such as a quote about him resigning, being removed etc. (User: ReligFan)

Thanks, this makes sense. 14.202.224.251 (talk) 21:02, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

References (from posts in the talk page)[edit]

  1. ^ Minnesota State Court (2014), In the Marriage of Anthony Hawthorne Jones and Julie Anne McMahon Jones, Minnesota State Court, 27-FA-08-5921, retrieved 15 Jan 2014, (registration required (help)) 
  2. ^ Minnesota State Court (2014), Anthony Hawthorne Jones vs Julie McMahon Jones, Minnesota State Court, 27-CO-13-8209, retrieved 15 Jan 2014, (registration required (help)) 
  3. ^ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2011/06/20/on-being-called-a-borderline-racist/
  4. ^ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2013/05/16/im-tired-of-being-called-a-racist/
  5. ^ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2011/09/06/there-are-two-marriages-part-one/
  6. ^ http://tonyj.net/about/