Template:Did you know nominations/Paul van Ass
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The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 13:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Paul van Ass[edit]
- ... that Paul van Ass, the coach of the Dutch men's hockey team at the 2012 Olympics, generated controversy by not selecting "T&T" for the squad?
- Reviewed: Statue of George V, Westminster
- Comment: I wish the papers had spelled this "TNT" but they didn't. Note the wikilinks for the Ts--if you think that's pushing it they can be taken out. Also, it'd be nice if we can get this up quickly, while the Olympics are still going on.
Created/expanded by Drmies (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 02:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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See referencing below.Issues resolved.
- Newness: Created August 1.
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The final paragraph is about the team, not van Ass, and probably doesn't belong here. But it's not so long that it would make it too small for DYK. It could use a few cleanup edits for language, but nothing major. I'll try to help out with this. - Refrencing: Now OK with additional references.
The club career section has no references.Ref. 1 confirms he coached HGC, but none of the references seem to support "national recognition when ... he managed ... to save the team from [relegation] and led them to a championship final." I also do not see a reference for his being coach of the under-21 team. Ref. 2 mentions in passing a "coaching diploma" but doesn't actually state that van Ass is not in possession of one. (Also: I'm not that familiar with the sport, but I suspect "coaching diploma" might have a better translation? I'm having a hard time figuring out what it is, and what it might be called in English.) - Hook: I enclosed T&T in quotes and added "for the squad" for clarity. This fact is supported and cited in the article.
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- Cmprince (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- I changed "diploma" to "certificate". I hope that makes it clear. I've also added a bunch of references; I hope that's enough. Thanks for the review, Drmies (talk) 15:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional citations. Unfortunately, the links to the AD.nl articles don't seem to be working (the rest of the site seems to be fine) so I am not able to confirm details from his stint at HGC or of his coaching style. I also tried to search for them on the website, but those article titles did not come up in the search results. Do you have any other links to these, or other sources, for verification? The article still needs a reference for the U-21 coaching appointment, and as I alluded to above, the NU.nl source only makes a vague reference to a coaching diploma, but doesn't directly make the connection with van Ass lacking one. Cmprince (talk) 11:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
- Odd--they work perfectly for me; I just checked a bunch of them. I found all those AD articles by searching the paper's website and adjusting the dates to start in 2001 or something like that. I can't easily find other articles from reliable sources; the archives for the hockey league might have that but I found that site difficult to navigate. Note also that I only included information from secondary sources; there is plenty of verification on the interwebz (hockey sites, for instance) for beating Uhlenhorst, for instance, but I stuck with newspaper sources as much as possible. As for the diploma, this piece says "Het mislopen van Londen 2012 is vanzelfsprekend een hard gelag voor Taekema, maar valt in het niet bij de karaktermoord die de afgelopen maanden op hem is gepleegd door de man die al twee jaar laat zien dat een trainersdiploma...geen overbodige luxe is."--"missing London 2012 is of course a bitter pil for Taekema, but it pales in comparison with the assassination of his character perpetrated by the man who for two years has been demonstrating that having a coaching certificate...is not an unnecessary luxury". That story has been republished all over the place, and I just added this article from De Telegraaf, which also comments on it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, that was strange; for the heck of it I tried loading the NU.nl links in IE, and that worked fine (didn't work in Chrome). And the Telegraaf article makes the direct statement about not having a diploma, so that works for me. Therefore, this is now good to go. Cmprince (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
- Odd--they work perfectly for me; I just checked a bunch of them. I found all those AD articles by searching the paper's website and adjusting the dates to start in 2001 or something like that. I can't easily find other articles from reliable sources; the archives for the hockey league might have that but I found that site difficult to navigate. Note also that I only included information from secondary sources; there is plenty of verification on the interwebz (hockey sites, for instance) for beating Uhlenhorst, for instance, but I stuck with newspaper sources as much as possible. As for the diploma, this piece says "Het mislopen van Londen 2012 is vanzelfsprekend een hard gelag voor Taekema, maar valt in het niet bij de karaktermoord die de afgelopen maanden op hem is gepleegd door de man die al twee jaar laat zien dat een trainersdiploma...geen overbodige luxe is."--"missing London 2012 is of course a bitter pil for Taekema, but it pales in comparison with the assassination of his character perpetrated by the man who for two years has been demonstrating that having a coaching certificate...is not an unnecessary luxury". That story has been republished all over the place, and I just added this article from De Telegraaf, which also comments on it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
For what it's worth the Dutch play for the gold medal on Saturday, so this might be a good candidate to be promoted soon. Cmprince (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
