User talk:Leoje 0192

As reviewing administrator, I very strongly advise you not to try individual articles on the various subsidiary companies of Emperor Group, but instead write them as sections in the main article. They can then have a redirect from the name of the particular group. I am aware the individual companies have individual articles in the Chinese Wikipedia. I've checked some of these, using google Translate, which seems sufficient to give me a rough idea of the contents, though not a sufficiently accurate version to be correct grammatical English, and leaves a few ambiguities in meaning. It does give a sufficient idea to see that the content there is by and large not suitable for the English Wikipedia. Each language Wikipedia has its own rules on content. Here, because of the extremely wide reach of the English Wikipedia, we are really concerned about preventing the use of the encyclopedia for promotion, whether of business or of non-profit organisations. We of course cover major businesses like Emperor Group, but we do not cover them in the same manner that their own websites and press releases do,

For example, the Chinese article on Emperor Watch and Jewellery Company uses the name of the company as often as possible, gives the names of all of the board of directors, names each of the many prominent people who was present at each store opening, lists repeatedly the extremely famous brands it distributes, and uses many words of praise, such as elegant , star-studded, masterpiece, It lists all the various models, it boasts of the luxurious metals used. None of this is acceptable here. We focus of plain facts, plainly presented--not what the company would like to say, but what readers would like to know.

I work rather frequently with articles like this, and I try to make them as acceptable that I can, because if they seem promotional, they will inevitably be deleted. Please help me keep in the material about what is -- after all -- a very famous and important company. Please add and condense the material from the individual articles into the sections of the main article. I will then look at it and adjust the style. And, most important, please: a Wikipedia article needs to show notability with references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. Any language is perfectly OK; but if you give a reference in a Chinese newspaper or magazine, please translate the title of the article into English. If material is not supported by such references, our practice is to remove it.

As a general rule, a suitable page will be best written by someone without Conflict of Interest; it's not impossible to do it properly with a conflict of interest or as a paid press agent, but it's relatively more difficult. If you think you can do it right according to our guidelines, do so, but expect the article to be carefully checked for objectivity.

As a positive feature, please give in characters the Chinese names of all the Chinese companies and people mentioned. As you know, many thousands of the readers of the English Wikipedia read Chinese, and this will benefit them. You can do this accurately much better than I, for, unfortunately, I must apologize, that I do not know the language.

If I can help you further, let me know on my user talk page. DGG ( talk ) 03:03, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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I see you have been restoring much pf the material I have been adding on the individual companies, and also adding substantial sections about them to the main article. Regardless of which way is best, you cannot do both. Either give an adequate description in the main article, and have only redirects to them, or write articles on the companies, and give only a sentence or two of introduction to them in the main article. Which one will you choose? Please let me know here, or on my user talk page, so we can discuss the appropriate content.

In any case, you must follow our style. We do not refer to people's titles in the body of an article. We use the full name the first time, and the last name by itself thereafter. We do not state the names of the dignitaries who attended a store opening: this again is promotional, and not encyclopedic material. We do not list the complete board of directors. I have removed some of the improper material, starting with the article on Emperor Watch & Jewelry Ltd. Please to not restore it. It will be regarded as promotional editing.

Some of what you have been doing is good: you have been adding references; it would however be much better to add them not just from the company web pages, but from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. This is considered essential here, in order to show the company notable. If they are not added, the articles are very likely to be nominated for deletion, and almost certainly deleted if someone does not add sources.

As an administrator here, I have the ability to block editors who use Wikipedia primarily or entirely for promotion. I rarely need to use it, because most people understand that if they write here, they must write attention to our guidelines once they have been pointed out to them. Sometimes people don't. Then they get blocked, by me or another administrator. Of all our administrators, I tend to be one of the most accepting about material on companies, which I regard as an important part of an encyclopedia . Not everybody agrees, and those who would cut down on this topic area use the existence of promotional writing as an argument. I remind you of our rule about WP:Conflict of Interest. I repeat what I said above: it's not impossible to edit properly with a conflict of interest or as a paid press agent, but it's much more difficult. If you think you can do it right according to our guidelines, do so, but expect the article to be carefully checked for objectivity. At present, your editing is providing a demonstration of how difficult it is. I doubt that's your intention--i hope your intention is to do it right. DGG ( talk ) 17:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, David, thank you for your detailed explanations. They are really helpful. I’m revising these articles according to your suggestions. I think currently I will keep the companies and give short introductions to them on Emperor Group.

Also, I have a question: how can I add a logo picture into the company info-box? I tried many times, but they were all deleted.

Looking forward to your reply! Thank you!

You have apparently been uploading them to Wikimedia Commons, a media repository closely associated with the English (and other) Wikipedias, but which has rules of its own.

You have two choices: if you represent the owner of the copyright in the Logo, you can license it according to wikimedia's free licensing, as specified in detail in WP:DCM and the equivalent page at Commons, and upload it to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, but be aware you are giving the world an irrevocable license to reuse them for any purpose. (trademark laws of course still apply). If no copyright in the image is claimed by anyone, as if sometimes the case for logos and other trademarks, it can also be uploaded in either place.

Otherwise, the logo is used under fair use, and must be uploaded to Wikipedia itself, not Wikimedia Commons--Commons does not accept fair use images, but the English Wikipedia does, for specific purposes, one of which is putting a corporate logo in a infobox. You need to follow the instructions at WP:LOGO and fill in the necessary statements exactly as provided in every detail when you do the upload . Most rules in Wikipedia are subject to some degree of flexibility and common sense, but the rules on the use of non free images under fair use are applied literally and strictly. DGG ( talk ) 02:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles are written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.
Hello, Leoje 0192. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:

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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.Deb (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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