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Hi Smartse. I've been working the COIN board for a while and looking at sockpuppeting/paid editing issues. In the course of that, I came across this but I don't see that you followed up at SPI or COIN. Did I miss something, or did you change your mind, or just get distracted? thx Jytdog (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Jytdog. The case I was working on at time was spun out from Sibtain_007 to here. Neither the article or the user who created the article are listed there and six months on the only thing I can see that made me think it was written by them was that it was started in a sandbox and moved to mainspace to avoid NPP which was a common tactic of those socks. Oh actually - these edits were what lead me to the article in the first place - check that (blocked) users' contribs to the Adobe suite of articles which were listed in this bizarre page. Happy hunting! SmartSE (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that group is still around somewhere btw - check Special:Contributions/Geogiaboy. If I wasn't already trying to do two jobs at once I'd try to help out. SmartSE (talk) 22:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
thanks for replying! i thought your call, that the account was a sock, looked accurate, and was surprised not to see it followed up on. i figured it was distraction.. and it sounds like it was. i actually came across that in a three-hour binge of looking a different set of socks/conflicted editors, so i totally understand. hang in there - it is always great to cross paths with you. Jytdog (talk) 22:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Cheers. I'll hope be around more again at some point. How come you don't have a mop yet? Hunting socks is a lot easier when you can view deleted contribs as you can find the really crappy articles that get G11ed and it often leads to more that didn't get noticed. SmartSE (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I have thought about it, but i have a lot of haters. would be contentious. and just recently, have been through too much drama at ANI - some of it self inflicted :( . maybe later this year or next though! i just noticed that you got the tools - congrats! Jytdog (talk) 14:26, 3 April 2015 (UTC

Richard Edelman[edit]

Regarding this, the link given in the citation is a broken link, but I found a working one here. The article does not appear to even mention Richard Edelman or support the article-text; as far as I can tell, this is unsourced content about a BLP. CorporateM (Talk) 14:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

i added an archive link to the right article. Yours is a completely different one! Can you revert? Thanks SmartSE (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I see the archive link, which was to a different source and for different text than what I was referring to. I reverted myself, then removed the part I was referring to, restoring the part you are referring to. CorporateM (Talk) 16:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for being rather blunt before - I was on mobile and with only one hand. I see why we got ourselves confused here as we were evidently mixed up over which source and which content we were discussing. I was also a little hasty to revert and wrongly assumed that I had added the content, when it was actually there before I started. I've had another look, and found that the quote in the removed content can be found here [1] and for some reason the wrong link was added, based on the hit piece at Source Watch. It's probably undue to include in the grand scheme of thing though. Sorry for not looking at it more closely before! SmartSE (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

COI related article nominated for deletion[edit]

Hi Smartse,

There is a new essay on the subject of COI that I recently nominated for deletion. There is a lot of back and forth going on as you might imagine, and I thought it might be helpful to ask some editors with a historical interest in the area to give their input.

Just to be clear, you are not being canvassed based on my perceptions of what your views are. I am asking for input from the top 10 contributors to the COI Noticeboard, expecting that some expertise and interest might be found here.

Thanks in advance for your input, if you feel able and willing to participate. Formerly 98 talk|contribs|COI statement 22:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Melody (potato)[edit]

Thank you for fixing some of my errors. Would you be able to find out when it was invented/patented and start a page about the breeder? They own the rights to quite a few potatoes apparently... I don't know if they are a subsidiary of Meijer--I have found no evidence.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi no probs. It's a topic I have a special interest in. Plant breeders' rights last for 30 years for potatoes, so it would have been listedwow this shouldn't be red in c. 2000, but the original cross would have been earlier in around 1993 as it takes a long time to develop a variety. Unfortunately there are few good sources for potato varieties, normally this site has more info, but it doesn't for this one and what I've written is original research. I'm growing some of these this year, so will try to remember to take some photos and add them to the article. What drew your attention to it? SmartSE (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh and I very much doubt that the breeder is a subsidiary of Meijer. According to their website they're a small family-owned company and that's pretty typical of potato breeders. SmartSE (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Source for introduction in 2000. SmartSE (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I bought them at Tesco for my dinner...Do you grow them in the UK, if you don't mind me asking? Yes, pictures of the plant would be good. I created a category on Wikimedia Commons. Do you grow anything else?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah ha. Yep, they're quite a popular variety here. I've also got Estima (potato), King Edward potato, Jelly (potato), Maris Piper, Markies (potato) and Marfona. How Maris Piper still doesn't have an article is beyond me. SmartSE (talk) 20:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
They come from a farm in Colwall, Worcestershire, owned by this man Phillip. Certified by the Organic Food Federation. Enough details for now; have a nice evening.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back![edit]

You haven't been on much for a while; I actually thought you may have retired. I just spotted you at COIN here, glanced at your contribs and went, hey, he's back! You didn't seem that interested in working with me on pages where I have a COI, so I won't bother you with them. However, your devotion to following the sources and upholding high sourcing expectations is an example we should all aspire to follow, so I was happy to see you editing again. Lets pretend I gave you a teacup, or a hot cocoa or whatever it is someone should offer to welcome an editor that hasn't been on much in a while. CorporateM (Talk) 03:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Cheers CM. I'm only back temporarily for now as I'm off work with a Colles' fracture from snowboarding (this guy makes it look easy) so I'm left-handed for now. Fortunately that doesn't interfere with removing crappy content, but additions will have to wait for the winter. And sorry about ignoring your COI requests - had a very full-on schedule for the last year. Now I'm remembering the addictive nature of watchlist refreshing! Hope all's well with you. SmartSE (talk) 14:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm always trying to subtly get a read on whether a particular editor enjoys collaborating with me even where I have a COI, or if I am dragging them to articles they don't really have an interest in, but never seem able to get a straight answer ;-)
If it's more of the former than the latter, I think the the Heather Bresch page could use some fresh discussion strings to hammer out stuff like primary sources, the dedicated Recognition section (promotional), and the lack of any substantial information about her primary claims to notability (lobbying for legislation, female CEO, CEO of a Fortune 500) and I was wondering if you have an interest in hammering out some edits with me.
It's been a very slow-moving article, due primarily to strong opinions about paid editing and the MBA controversy and could use the help of a disinterested editor that insists on following the sources. Perhaps I am canvassing a bit, since we share - I think - a similar POV of insisting on high-quality sources, something I have probably picked up in part from you, but have increasingly learned to value while you were out, as the absolute best method to respond to POV pushers of all kinds, who typically rely on mediocre sourcing to achieve their editorial agenda. CorporateM (Talk) 18:08, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost[edit]

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Requesting help regarding page asap. Please! <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hello, Please contact me asap regarding deletion of page Kate-Margret, we are ready to correct what ever is needed and all the info is related to the singer and we own all rights. How can we get help with this , and restore the page. Thanks, Kate.M — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi. The article was deleted because our notability standards for musicians are not met and consequently, there is nothing that can be done to restore the page at the moment (see WP:TOOSOON). Not that if affected the decision to delete the article, please note that paying people to create an article about yourself is very frowned upon here, especially as in this case where the editor did not disclose that they were being paid. Regards SmartSE (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


Hey Smartse, just a note to let you know that I concluded that BiH has not been socking (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BiH). BiH left a note on my Talk page (before my findings) complaining about your removing his autopatrolled right. Actually, I think he should have talked to you, not me, but putting that aside, I know that the logged basis for the removal was because of concerns about paid editing, but I wanted to make sure that possible socking wasn't part of your reason. Also, he complained that you did not discuss this with him. Even if your determination is that he's not entitled to the right, it might be constructive to reach out to him and give him more information. All up to you, of course.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Thanks for the heads up, I should have explained myself at the time. Socking wasn't really the issue, although it's abundantly clear from my perspective that they are doing something dodgy and I hope you think I made the right decision. SmartSE (talk) 21:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I think you made yourself clear in the log. I just think it would be fairer to make yourself clear(er) to BiH. I confess I'm on the fence about the paid editing issue, which, as you know, is a tricky thing from a policy perspective. In any event, you're not alone in your reaction.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, just noticed that you left a long message on BiH's Talk page. Nice.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Sam Jane Brown[edit]

Can I ask why you undeleted Sam Jane Brown? Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

A good question! I didn't mean to at all and I must have misclicked while checking the deleted contribs. I've just redeleted it. Thanks for letting me know. SmartSE (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)