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Trademarking animals

Is it possible for companies to trademark an animal? For example, Budwesiser and the Budweiser frogs, Joe the Camel from Camel cigarrettes, or Spuds mackenzie? If it is possible what kind of penalties would occur? If not, how would a company protect their advertisement idea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstitt (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

You can certainly trademark specifics logos and logo variants which happen to feature animals. You can't trademark an animal itself—just because Budweiser uses frogs in their ads doesn't mean another company that sold a different product couldn't use frogs in their ads. However if another beer company used frogs in their ads, that might be a different issue, as a plausible argument could be made that the company was trying to be deceptive about their ownership/product. --24.147.86.187 (talk) 01:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This strikes me as similar to T-Mobile owning the colour magenta for everything related to telecommunications. While I couldn't find a reference of Wikipedia, this blog post seems to have something on it. — alex.muller (talkpage • contribs) 01:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

And Cadbury chocolate wrappers claim trademark on "the colour purple". Basically, a trade mark is anything that identifies a particular brand or service, and many countries (including the US) recognise "common law" trademarks - that is, a trademark doesn't have to be registered to exist, and any copying of a competitors' marks or advertisement is a potential trademark infringement. FiggyBee (talk) 02:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Animal trademark news story. Gandalf61 (talk) 12:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't UPS own the colour of their vans in relation to courier services? I've certainly heard about the magenta one for T-Mobile on tv recently ny156uk (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Right, it's all about being confused for another company. Trademarks are to keep Company B from adopting a logo like Company A and misleading the consumer who was trying to buy Company A's product. So you can trademark all sorts of things, but only within the bounds of what is likely to be confused for another company. If I had a bicycle company called "A Bicycles", I could probably trademark the use of the letter "A", but only in regards to selling bicycles, and only in things like company logos and advertisements, and only in a way that could be confused with my own advertising/logo. --24.147.86.187 (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Greyhound Bus/ American Indian History

63.3.2.129 (talk) 02:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Circa 1938-40, when I was 10-12 years of age, I saw two Grayhound buses creeping through my hometown of Columbia, Pa. on route 30, the Lincoln Highway. They were going from east to west toward York, Pa. In front of the lead bus there was an American Indian in Indian Garb running. The two buses were loaded with Indians and would change runners as the need arose.

I understand that they were on their way to Washington, D.C. to file some kind of complaint. I have found no one that knows anything of this. Can you help me verify this and explain what they were doing. Where did they come from, who were they,and what was their complaint, and was anything ever done about it?~~

Personal details removed --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This is an intriguing story, and I couldn't dig up anything specific either. However, I have a few suggestions. I'm wondering if the complaint was perhaps something to do with the Indian Removal Act, which culminated in the 1938 1838 Trail of Tears. The Five Civilized Tribes may have been a bit far south to be using that route, but other tribes could have been going to Washington to protest the action of the Government against the ruling of the Supreme Court in Worcester v. Georgia, or perhaps some of the displaced tribes were far enough north to take that route.

My second suggestion is that, this is a good place to find more information. Good luck! Rockpocket 09:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Erm, I'm not sure if you're being serious, but you're a century off - the Trail of Tears was in 1838. -Elmer Clark (talk) 09:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha! Very good point. It was late at night when I was looking into this and obviously my brain had shut off. I guess its possible, as MrRedact suggests, that it was related to the anniversary. However I have struck most of my comments, which are obviously misleading. Thanks for pointing that out, Elmer. Rockpocket 18:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

But it does seem likely that there might have been a demonstration in 1938 to commemorate the centennial of the Trail of Tears. MrRedact (talk) 13:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It might be worth contacting a local museum or historical society, or a local newspaper which may have archives covering the event. The local library in Columbia could also help - many librarians enjoy a bit of historical detective work if asked nicely. Are there any Native American organizations in or near Columbia? They too could be a good source of information. I for one would be fascinated to hear more about the event - and can certainly understand it making such an impression on a young boy. Do let us know what you find out. DuncanHill (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Avocado

Can you really die from an overdose of avocados? 138.217.145.45 (talk) 04:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

You can die from overdose of anything. Water, Food, Oxygen (this is more pressure related than oxygen, but oxygen does cause Free Radicals, which can cause caner), why would you expect avocado to not do the same? --antilived^{T | C | G} 04:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is too much avocado bad for you? "Of course too much is bad for you, that's what too much means!" (taken from an old TV comedy debate) However, Avocado#Toxicity to animals mentions that problems are only apparent in humans that have an appropriate allergy, so presumably "too much" avocado would require quite a large amount. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it has a lot of fat, and most nutritionists think that most people (at least in the US) already eat too much fat. On the other side of the coin, I believe that much of it is monounsaturated fat, which is the sort the nutritionists are most favorable towards, this week anyway. So maybe the answer is, go ahead and eat the avocado, but to compensate, don't eat the steak. --Trovatore (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

El Paso, Arkansas

04:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)98.20.226.231 (talk)During the late 1950s or early 1960s my family visited El Paso, Arkansas, which was, at that time a ghost town. Later I read an article in one of the Arkansas news papers about a building that was being restored by a person who had moved into the area. I find nothing of tis in your history. I wonder if it has ever been recorded. I write stories about small townis in the Ozarks, and would like to do a story on El Paso, if I can find the information.

I'm not sure from your post whether you've already seen El Paso, Arkansas - the article has a little bit of information, and implies that the town is now populated. -Elmer Clark (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

VoIP adapters - How many phones can they drive?

I'm thinking of moving my POTS to VoIP with naked DSL, but the adapters are expensive ($100+ each). I have 3 phones in vastly different location and not all of them have access to ethernet cable, so I'm wondering can I connect the adapter (Linksys PAP2T or SPA2102) directly to the phone circuit that's already been laid out? Do I need to cut the line to the outside (I have a central splitter splitting DSL and voice) or will the splitter be enough in not letting the signal go outside my house? Intuitively this is doable as it's not very often to pick up 2 phones simultaneously anyway, but just making sure that it wouldn't damage the adapter. --antilived^{T | C | G} 09:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I very would strongly recommend you cut the line. Think about it carefully. The splitter is intended to split the line at the point of entry into one or more jacks for the low frequency phone and one jack for the high frequency DSL modem. But you be connecting your phone output into the internal side after it has been split. While the splitter should in theory stop the signal interferring with the DSL modem, it's not going to stop the signal travelling to the 'outside'. I'm guessing it won't be high powered enough to cause any real problems for the Telecom equipement but it doesn't mean it's something they will like it if they ever find out you're doing it plus I don't now how this will affect the in house signal (I'm guessing it will have a negative effect). More importantly perhaps I don't think the splitter stops the signal completely. Even though you may be without a dialtone, I'm guessing there's still going to be a current reaching your POTS adapter from the external line which is unlikely to be good for it. All in all, mixing the two signals is not likely a good idea so yes, I would definitely recommend you disconnect the phone line. One thing you need to check is how your house is wired. I.E. where does the wiring for the different phone ports come from? If it's in a series then it should be fine but if there are 3 seperate wires coming out from the splitter, one for each port, then you have a problem and will probably have to re-wire somehow. Also be aware that you should not touch anything at the point of entry (i.e. including the splitter). I think cutting the line just after it comes out from the splitter is fine but you should check on this since Telecom isn't happy when people interfere with their part of the line. Presuming the wiring is in a series then I would just disconnect the phone line from the first port that's connected to the outside. That way it's very easy for you to put it back to normal if you change your mind. Finally, the maximum Ringer equivalence number of the SPA 2102 is 3 according to the website. I don't know if the RAL [1] quite correlates with the REN but I'm guessing it's similar enough. In that case, provided your RAL is less then 3, the phones should ring. You should be able to find analog phones with a RAL of 1.0. The PAP2T is higher with a REN of 5 so you're even less likely to have problems. Bear in mind in both cases although the phones may ring okay, I don't know how well they will work if you're trying to use more then one at once, especially with the SPA 2102. Have you considered buying a DECT transceiver and 3 DECT phones to replace the existing analog phones? I don't know whether a DECT VOIP transceiver unit exists if so you might want to consider one of those. P.S. In any case you may want to read this[2] Nil Einne (talk) 18:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sample papers solutions

where i can find the cbse sample paper solutions of all subjects (english , maths , science , social science , hindi) of year 2008? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.246.146 (talk) 13:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the Wikipedia is not a place from which to copy assignments. Doodle-doo Ħ 00:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Make Some Money

No, I'm not looking to "get rich quick," nor am I looking for a miracle. I simply want to know if anyone has any brilliant ideas on how to come up with roughly $10,000 USD by sometime in the summer. I already have a job, right now making about $50.00 USD per week (newly started), and I have roughly $300.000 USD to my name right now. Also, please be legal? Selling drugs isn't worth the risk. ;3

Also, if a car was $10,000 USD, approximately how much of a downpayment would be required to reduce a reasonable payment to less than $150 USD per month?

Thanks. EWHS (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Get a loan? Your target is way above what your income can supply in that time frame, and I expect you've already been searching for other better-paying jobs. Note that "loan" doesn't have to mean "bank loan". You could also talk with friends, parents, or other appropriate figures and try to set something up.

As for the car loan specifics, there should be plenty of bank loan approximators online to fiddle with the parameters. The informal loan, on the other hand, may allow a little more flexibility. $150/month for 6 years is about $11k, which might be enough interest to satisfy parents.

Also bear in mind the associated expenses of a car: gas, insurance, maintenance, and so forth. $10k for the car itself may simply be too high a target. — Lomn 14:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) I can't help with the first part, but regarding the payment, there are a couple important variables that come into play, namely the interest rate and the length of the loan. I found this car payment calculator which automatically filled in a rate of 7.57% and a term of 60 months. You can fiddle with the tax and registration fee entries as appropriate for your location, but leaving everything to default, I came up with $3427 as the necessary down payment to get to a monthly payment of $149.99 --LarryMac | Talk 14:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Some researchers are paying people for participating in experiments, be those social, medical, or whatever. Some of these are very safe, but if you're desparate you could probably raise some more money doing less safe experiments. I think you can also get paid for donating redundant organs and such.

DISCLAIMER: The above should not be taken as a suggestion that this is advisable. Consult with your physician before doing anything of this sort. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "summer"? The summer break for American high schools is typically around 2-2.5 months. Whereas the summer break for American colleges and univerities are typically 2.5-3 months. So you'd have to be earning between roughly $167 (for the 2 month break) and $111 (for the 3 month break) to reach $10,000 (and those figures are without including taxes, since I have no clue what state or country you are in). So that means earning between $20.86 and $13.86 per hour (for an 8-hour day) to reach the goal. That is a lofty goal for someone who may lack any technical skill. Given those hourly rates, you may need to work more than one job. Bartending can be very profitable if you life in the right sort of town/city (and would allow you to work after the business day is over), but you are unlikely to find much work if you aren't 21 or older. Do you have any skills that would justify you getting paid higher than minimum wage?--droptone (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

EWHS said "by sometime in the summer", which means he has half a year or so (assuming he means the next northern hemisphere summer). -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

E-bay any old consoles or junk you don't want any more. Also I know someone who keeps an eye on charity shops for anything interesting and picks it up cheap and pops it on E-bay. Good start for small collateral. Lanfear's Bane | t 15:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Microscope

1.Who is the first person that invented microscope and when it is invented? Can anyone tell me more about Anton van Leeuwenhoek's microscope and Roberts Hooke's microscope? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stylin99 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Our article Microscope has this to say about the invention - "The first useful microscope was developed in the Netherlands in the early 1600s. Three different eyeglass makers have been given credit for the invention: Hans Lippershey (who also developed the first real telescope); Hans Janssen; and his son, Zacharias." DuncanHill (talk) 15:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The article Optical microscope has a little about both Van Leeuwenhoek's microscope and that of Robert Hooke. Basically, Leeuenhoek's had a single lens, and Hookes had more, and was more like what we think of nowadyas when we talk of a microscope. DuncanHill (talk) 16:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, please do not crosspost questions. Thanks. --Ouro (blah blah) 16:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Also sounds very homeworky. Love it when they are even numbered. Subtle. Lanfear's Bane | t 16:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

fencing

Hello,

Is it at all possible to find out who won the fencing championship in ISRAEL , I am not sure of the year it was in the sixties.

I would appreciate it very much if anyone can come up with the answer.

Thanks, Nurit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.143.79 (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

email removed, leading spaces removed. --LarryMac | Talk 16:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Presumably national championships are annual.. So the question can't really be answered except in the context of a specific year. Friday (talk) 16:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

And neither the FIE World Championships in Fencing or the Olympic games have been held in Israel. 84.64.244.109 (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Postnominals

hi, I am wondering about the etiquette surrounding postominals. I currently have a CertHE in general science, will have a CertHE in health and social care shortly and then in 2 years a DipHE in operating departnment practice. How would I list these aftermy name? DE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.160.202 (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

In some systems, a diploma (or other highest award) supersedes anything else and can stand alone (such as in grad books, staff lists), but for other purposes all can be listed in order of attainment, eg CertHE (Sc), CertHE (Health), DipHE to show the scope of your qualificiations. Less often, awards are listed with the name of the institution after them in brackets. Julia Rossi (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Another piece of postnominal etiquette is that you don't use them willy-nilly. Those indicating educational attainments would normally only be used in an educational context. For example, if you were a lecturer at a university, then all your educational postnominals would be appropriate for your entry in the institution's literature. If, however, you became a lawyer in private practice, your business card might show your law-related postnominals, but not those relating to your studies in the irrelevant area of public health. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Vintage Knives

Can anyone provide me with any information on Henry Sears and Son? I have a couple turn of the century hunting knives with this name on it. I know they were established in 1865, but I would like to know how long they were in business and where they were located. Thanks

Wally —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.149.98 (talk) 17:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

email removed — Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 19:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Form Googling they appear to have been a Chicago company, who had a number of patents relating to knives, scissors, razors etc. DuncanHill (talk) 19:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is the British Education system banning teaching of 'the Holocaust'?

I just had an e-mail (from an American e-friend) asking me to pass on an e-chain protest about Britain banning teaching in schools about 'the Holocaust' because 'it offends the Muslim community who claim the Holocaust didn't happen'. I would happily pass on the e-protest if I knew its claim to be true, but I have never heard or read of it in the British media. Anyone here know if this anti-holocaust-teaching story is true or false? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.163 (talk) 18:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's complete nonsense. See this BBC News article. — Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 18:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but another, far less obvious, way to tell is that Britain doesn't have a uniform education system. Scotland's is completely seperate. --Bearbear (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I did GCSE history last year and the holocaust was deffinately on the sylabus and I was taught about it. 'Germany 1918-1945' was one of the largest modules as well as 'the history of medicine'. However there was some choice on modules, I think the other option was (if i remember correctly) Communist Russia (I didnt study it, so i am not sure). If a school choses to do this module then i imagine the holocaust is not mentioned due the fact it has nothing to do with the Soviet Union. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertsZ (talk • contribs) 21:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to all respondents - but Matt Eason's above proved to be the most authoritative - and I have since copied the article to my American e-friends. Thanks Matt.81.145.242.163 (talk) 21:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I read the article after writing my own account, it did set the record straight, the BBC is good at that, well done on finding that Matt. RobertsZ (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It might be an elaborate practical joke just to make someone issue a "Holocaust denial denial". --Milkbreath (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

No, there really was an instance of a school England that avoided teaching the Holocaust because it feared how Muslim students would react. That is alarming by itself, but the story snowballed from there. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You can read the entire report: it's available online. Here is a link from the Historical Association website: linky to HA here Telsa (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

And here is the scoop from Snopes. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadget850 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, and what Snopes appears to have overlooked is that the one school history department that avoided teaching the holocaust in fact only chose not to use it as a module at GCSE, which is pretty reasonable. The reason for the choice was bad, but there's no reason that module should be compulsory. They were still teaching the holocaust to 11-14 year olds. In fact, some have expressed concern that British schools teach little history but nazis and tudors. Certainly I recall getting slightly holocaust-fatigued in year 9, when we seemed to do the holocaust in just about every subject! Skittle (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

long lost cereal...

Hi yes you guessed it I'm trying to track down something stolen by a cereal killer *ouch* so here's the serious question - a long time ago, maybe over twenty years, I used to eat a cereal called Kellogg's Country Morning - then all of a sudden it was discontinued and I've never seen it since. Does anyone remember this, and does anyone have any idea if it is still available somewhere or maybe called something else? Sandman30s (talk) 19:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a brief mention of Country Morning in the granola article, which led me to Bear Naked and from there to Kashi. I can't speak to whether any of the Kashi brand cereals would be as tasty to you as the Country Morning, but that seems to be the corporate lineage. Perhaps one of the Post or General Mills offerings mentioned in granola is still available and would be worth checking out? --LarryMac | Talk 19:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

More . . . The Kellogg's product page does not show any evidence of Country Morning, however they have both a "Low Fat Granola" product and "Mueslix". If you search the FAQ area for "product availability" you can get to a page showing items discontinued in the last two years (not-linkable due to damnable ASP); I did not see CM on this list, but that might just mean it was discontinued more than two years ago. --LarryMac | Talk 19:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the research! I'm in South Africa and don't recall seeing Kashi's products in our stores. Granola-type snack-bars are available all over but I have yet to see a cereal similar to CM. When combined with hot milk it used to caramelize into a yummy crunchy-yet-soggy mix. Sandman30s (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I should have done a location-check; all of my research was US based. Good luck in your search. --LarryMac | Talk 19:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yip, also South African and there is not a day I don't yearn for my breakfast of Country Morning, Great Stuff Indeed - it takes me back to my childhood on a dairy farm in the Natal midlands - you may recall the picture on the box - a farmhouse at Sunrise - it was really just like that ! Maybe we can petition Kelloggs to bring it back ??!!--196.207.47.60 (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The "Contact Kellogs" page is at http://www2.kelloggs.com/ContactUs.aspx I would guess that the Kellogs corporation would be the most qualified to talk about what happened to one of their products. ;-) 128.104.112.236 (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Washing Tee's

I bought a shirt from Threadless, but unfortunately some asshole drew some marker on the design. I referred to the website for washing instructions, but they didn't have any info on how to remove stains (especially the kind from permanent markers!). Does anyone know how to remove a (permanent, i presume) marker stain from the design without damaging the shirt, ruining the color, or messing up the ink in the design? Thanks for the help. Btw - I have no idea if it's important or not, but the ink that was colored on is mostly white, with some of the shirt and a small portion of black ink being covered by black marker. --71.98.28.243 (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Isopropanol (Isopropyl alcohol) will almost certainly dissolve the marker, so you could probably put an absorbent backing fabric behind the shirt and soak some of the stain out into the backer, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to get the last bit out, even after a number of "cleaning cycles". Maybe a dry cleaning service can help?

Atlant (talk) 23:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The OP did mention that the marker was on the design itself - any idea if isopropanol may have any adverse effects on whatever kind of ink it's printed with? — Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 02:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Only a careful, small test, preferable on a non-visible or unimportant part of the design could reveal that. But because most clothing will withstand occasional liquor splashes (ethanol), I'd somewhat-expect the design to survive isopropanol.

Atlant (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the advice Atlant. Much obliged, --71.98.26.188 (talk) 00:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I have got marker pen out with disinfectant.hotclaws 08:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

toaster boners

What's a toaster boner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Kerazyman (talk • contribs) 22:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. What's a troll? --71.98.28.243 (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) No idea. The only 2 Google results are for nonsense spam pages. There's nothing on Scholar, Books, Blogs or News, so I suspect the answer is "nothing". --Kateshortforbob 22:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

maybe it has something to do with this[4]? Cryo921 (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a mistake by a Cylon? --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 03:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jail (TV series)'s theme song

What is the name of Lil' Droppa's theme song for Jail (TV series) and what are the lyrics to the song? Ericthebrainiac (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1128727/soundtrack) is maybe the song? Get Me Out by Jon Lee is the only listing. I have no idea if this is the same show, but IMDB is always a good place to start for tv/movie stuff. ny156uk (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

ny156uk appears to be spot on - see here, but I have also been unable to locate the lyrics for this. Lanfear's Bane | t 15:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Canada article is inapropriate

When I visited a the page provided for the search "Canada" (minus quotes) the contents I recieved were inapropriate and contained several sexually offending statements. If you could please look at the article on "Canada" (minus quotes) and change this problem, I would be deeply greatful.72.39.231.142 (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It's called "vandalism" and it happens all the time -- it's just like the weather; you do what you can about it and otherwise learn to live with it. It appears that the article was set right within one minute by a bot -- you just got "lucky" and happened to see the article during that minute. --Trovatore (talk) 23:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)