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Save Our Children[edit]


I am translating into French your article about Save Our Children. It is an interesting work and I am happy to make it part of the French wikipedia (although I am only working on a subpage now). Unfortunatly, some paragraphes need citations and I am not sure that the articulation of all the ideas is always well-done... I wanted to tell you that because I think Anita Bryant's campaign is one of the most important moments of LGBT history in the US. And perhaps someone here has material which could improve the actual page...

Sorry for my English, I read it better than I write it.

Konstantinos (from the French Wikipedia)

Phyll Opoku-Gyimah[edit]

Could use some fleshing out. There's a couple of sources in the "External links", and more available on-line. All the best: Rich Farmbrough21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC).

Donald Sterling[edit]

I am not sure if we should add a WP LGBT Studies tag to his talkpage and add referenced info about his assistant's suggestion (in court, so in a serous context) that he is gay. I have a hard time believing it is true because he was with his wife at a benefit for the John Wayne Cancer Institute in Santa Monica last November (there is a picture in the Dec 5 issue of The Beverly Hills Courier), but perhaps it would be encyclopedic to add that he may be gay, as long as it is referenced, and add the WP tag?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Oppose.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Why? The WP tag would not mean he is gay btw; Madonna has a WP LGBT Studies tag and is not gay; it would just mean that he is relevant to our WP.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Hearsay from the assistant is not nearly a good enough source to anything about his orientation to the article. If there's nothing in the article, there's no need for the banner. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 07:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Obviously we would add referenced info about it. If she lied in a lawsuit, would she not be committing perjury?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
It's not really our role to take a position on how credible the allegations are or aren't — they don't sound particularly credible to me, but I'm not a judge in a court of law. Some people here (I won't be one of them) might want to privately watchlist his article to keep an eye on any potential issues that may arise, but for the moment the mere existence of allegations that he's gay are not enough to make him a matter of interest to this WikiProject at this time or to justify adding the allegations to the article. If he ever comes out as gay in his own words, then he'll obviously become of interest to this WikiProject, but at this time it's not appropriate content in a WP:BLP. Bearcat (talk) 21:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I mean, could the assistant not get arrested for perjury if it were not true? It's not like she told a journalist; she told the court apparently.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Whether someone could get arrested for a statement does not raise it to the level of significance for even inclusion in the article, much less categorization. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Why would she risk getting arrested?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, you can't be arrested for expressing a mere opinion, no matter how poorly founded the opinion is. There is no risk, and consequently no legal weight to expressing such an opinion. bd2412 T 17:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I guess we don't know if she opined or said she was sure when she was in court. If she said she was sure and it's not true, that would be perjury, which is a crime, isn't it?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I have seen a person testify under penalty of perjury that they were absolutely sure that some other person was an alien from another planet, and not face any charges. Even expressing sureness as to an opinion is still expressing an opinion. It would be perjury if she falsely testified that she witnessed someone engaging in specific activities, but no amount of sureness makes an expression of an opinion perjury. bd2412 T 17:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Strange. Back to the main issue: are you guys opposed to adding the tag because you are against outing, or because you think he would be a bad gay icon because of his racially insensitive remarks?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:16, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Please do not introduce false dichotomies into the conversation. It is a form of trolling, and a sign of a lack of serious interest in discussing the issue. Also, I have not expressed an opinion on adding any tag to this article, so please avoid making false representations about me. bd2412 T 18:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, please don't accuse me of whatever. I am just trying to understand why you don't think the tag should be added. I think it should be. I have suggested two reasons why people might not want the tag to be added, which I don't regard as valid, though that is open to debate. We have to be able to talk here and not be accused of "trolling." Otherwise there is no point in collaborative WPs. Also, when I say "you," it's a general you for the WP editors, otherwise I would be writing on your talkpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
A false dichotomy, by definition, is providing two alternatives in a way that suggests that these are the only two possibilities. Can you think of a third reason, within the scope of constructing a useful encyclopedia, why such a tag may be unwarranted? bd2412 T 18:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I couldn't think of one when I wrote my last comment, no, especially as the WP tag does not mean he is gay. It just means the subject is relevant to our WP.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Except that unless and until he does someday come out as gay, he's not relevant to our WikiProject. The mere existence of unconfirmed allegations about his sexuality does not make him relevant to us in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Rockway Institute Page duplicates its website[edit]

KevinInMfrg (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC) Just heard of the Rockway Institute today in a story on National Public Radio. Wondering what it is, I read their web page. Obviously their home page is self-promoting, so while useful I sought something further. Checking Wikipedia I find a word-for-word copy of the website which should by definition be regarded as a weak article. It needs to be fleshed out more with verifiable content.

Thanks and welcome, KDTravis! This is an interesting one, because the Wiki page has looked about like that since 2009, and the page to which you refer, here, is copyright 2012. They might have actually copied from Wikipedia, or both pages could be copied from an earlier source. I am thinking the latter, and either way that page definitely needs a rewrite. VQuakr (talk) 04:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Rates comparison issue at Suicide among LGBT youth article[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Suicide among LGBT youth#Hate Speach - masquerading as 'psychology' & 'Balance'. A WP:Permalink to that discussion is here. Flyer22 (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Help with Simple English Wikipedia[edit]

Could some people help expand the following articles on the Simple English Wikipedia?

You don't have to get it perfect, just expand it to the point where it is no longer a stub. Five or ten minutes per article should be enough. (talk)

Oldest gay bar in NYC?[edit]

Gay bar#Modern era says that "Julius is New York City's oldest continuously operating gay bar and is possibly the oldest continuously operating gay bar in the world". But I've found a couple of sources that attribute that distinction to the Candlestick lounge. I've just quoted them in a new talk section, Talk:Gay bar#Oldest in NYC?. I do not feel qualified to adjudicate this conflict, so I'm dropping it at your doorstep. ;-)

To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 02:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Thomas(ine) Hall[edit]

Hi, folks. Here's an interesting draft article that was never submitted at AfC and now is about to be deleted as stale. If anyone thinks it's a notable topic that should be in the encyclopedia, just make any edit to prevent it from disappearing. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I've just made a small ton of edits, mostly to the form and placement of references but with a bit of copyediting of the text where necessary. It still needs ref editing: most paragraphs have a footnote on almost every sentence, and generally to the same reference for each paragraph. I don't remember how best to fix that, and I've no more time for this tonight. To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 01:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Is there any reason not to just submit it for review and make any necessary alterations in the normal course of things? The subject is clearly notable. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 01:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I have some issues with the "significance" section in particular — specifically, that section reads very much more like an essay about the history of gender identity theory in general than like appropriately encyclopedic content about Hall as an individual. I agree that sufficient notability is probably there in principle, but some modifications are still needed — but Roscelese is right that this should probably go forward for review so that the remaining issues can be addressed. Bearcat (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I made fairly extensive edits on Jan 14, and I questioned that graf in a note in the text. I've just submitted the entry for review. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
And it was accepted in a few hours -- though I think the title isn't proper style at all. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 12:36, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Huh, just suggested (but not nominated) this draft as DYK. I really thought it was a hoax at first since the topic is so distinctive and contrary to usual assumptions about Colonial Virginia, but at least the major details are supported by academic works. I brought it to DYK's attention here: Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Interesting_article_on_an_early_Trans_person_in_colonial_Jamestowne_.28possible_DYK_for_LGBT_history.29. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks to those who pitched in to make this less essay-like. The title may not be one that's likely to be found by someone searching for information about this person; maybe a redirect "Thomasine Hall" is in order, and an entry in the Thomas Hall disambiguation page would help, too.—Anne Delong (talk) 12:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Redirects done. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 13:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Raymond Chan Chi-chuen#Requested move 10 December 2014[edit]

You are invited to a move request. Improve consensus by posting your comments there. --George Ho (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

A little bit of help requested[edit]

Dear all,

I've created the articles for Cucumber, Banana, and Tofu, and I'm intending to get all three articles to DYK status, but I'm 200 bytes short on Tofu and I'm drawing blanks. Could I please have some help pushing it over the line? :) Sceptre (talk) 00:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Jameson Currier[edit]

Hello again... here's an abandoned draft about writer whose subject matter seems to fall under the interests of this project. I added a couple of sources, but it needs some work before being accepted, so any help in improving it will be appreciated. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:02, 30 January 2015 (UTC)