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Good Article promotion

	You did it again!
	Another round of congratulations are in order for all the work you did in making Say Somethin' a certified "Good Article"! Thank you; your work is much appreciated. All the best, – Quadell (talk) P.S. And lest I forget, Emotions (Mariah Carey album) too! Well done.

Good Article promotion

	You did it again!
	Another round of congratulations are in order for all the work you did in making Don't Forget About Us a certified "Good Article"! (I'm running out of good free pics of Mariah Carey!) Thank you; your work is much appreciated. All the best, – Quadell (talk)

Your high?

Do you do drugs? lol Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

If I did would you hold it against me? Or was I joking? ;) Do you?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't do drugs, or you'll end of like this. No I don't and never have, I just drink copious amounts of alcohol lol. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, her case was much worse than weed lol. I ask you, would a high person ever be able to produce a GA a day? :P I rest my case, I was just messing with you :) You drink? lol, who are you!? Adele? Lmao.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:43, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeahhh I've been drank alcohol since I was 16 lol. You can't drink legally for another 9 months as your in the US can you? lol. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha, well legally :P Here in the US, everyone is a pot head, alcoholic etc. lol. I like to drink at parties or clubs only, not when I'm alone lol, its no fun. How often/much do you drink?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

How do you get into clubs? Borrow someones ID? I go out a couple of times week. Mondays, Thursdays, Saturdays, and sometimes Sundays. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

And no, I don't drink by myself or at home either, that's just sad. lol. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Lmao. Its sad, Adele style :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Adele?? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The British singer? :P She gets drunk alone at home to write her music haha. Gaga too :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh really? I didn't know she did that lol. But how do you get into clubs if your not 21? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 19:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I just told you. Everyone here has fake IDs lol. I'm going out now, so I'll reply later. Take care Calv ;)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

No you didn'tttt ^^. Lol going using your fake ID? haha. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 19:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC) Also, can you be really critical with the entire article as I want Loud to become an FA. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

Well, I can't guarantee FA-quality prose, even I struggle sometimes to meet that criteria, but I can make sure the references are perfect for FAC, so that Nikki can't be like "What make [this], [this] and [this] reliable?" lol.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 00:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Only Wish (This Year) (2nd nomination)

Hey, would please participate in this discussion? Thank for your time. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Sales source

Hi. Would you mind commenting on this post at the RS noticeboard regarding the reliability of a sales source? Dan56 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

My Love: Essential Collection

Hi, are you still willing to help me? Could you fix the grammar it the My Love: Essential Collection article? I also have another problem: I can't find any profesional reviews of the album, except for Allmusic :( Max24 (talk) 21:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Did you find any review of the album? Max24 (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi again and thanks! I have a treat for you. The SoundScan sals just have leaked and there are some Mariah and Celine albums :) Top 200 Catalog Albums, Week Ending August 21, 2011:
7 129 100 90 DION*CELINE LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE 1773 0 1766 9502971
1 - - 173 DION*CELINE MY LOVE-ESSENTIAL COLLECTION 1347 7 1257 494515
4 163 199 192 CAREY*MARIAH DAYDREAM 1298 -4 1346 7596643
Max24 (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

No, for a while absolutely not. I'm egsausted :-) I thought it's much more simple. I just wanted to do this article becuse the US re-release is coming and I wanted it to look good. Max24 (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

...and back!

Sorryy! Well, I have completed CB offline (almost. Just needs a c/e). Novice7 (talk) 12:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

OMG 10 GAs within a week!!!??? That's awesome! Well, as I commented earlier, my internet went nuts and stopped working :( Also, I had to spend some days studying lol :D Well, I'm back now. 13 pics? A few of them seem to be copyvios. I'll send mails tomorrow :) Novice7 (talk) 13:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow!!!!! PS: Take a look at Sandbox12 :) I received mail from Adabow saying that he had retired and I thought it was a joke. He's really serious :O Well, lol, I've started working :P Btw, I had asked you a few months back for some scans. Can you send me those when you get time? Songs: "So Emotional", "Where Do Broken Hearts Go", "Didn't We Almost Have It All" and Toni Braxton's "You're Making Me High" and "Unbreak My Heart". Also, no need to hurry, the books (Whitney "How Will I Know"). Whenever you get time. And, semi-retire? Not you too... Just take a break, maybe? Lol. Novice7 (talk) 13:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yup, those five (you can remove "You're Making Me High" from the list if you want to) from BB #1 Hits Book. You sent me BB Book of #2 Hits scans :) The other HWIK scans are not needed :) Novice7 (talk) 13:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

MC bio

Nathan, keep a check on that REGiGUAZA user at Mimi's bio introducing bloated sentences and unnecessary sections, like the list of awards. Kind of making personal attacks to other artists and users too. I can cut down all his bullshit, but then again, thats another story. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I just saw that BS with Blue a little while ago. I seriously thought some psycho was writing to him, that guy was attacking him for simple stuff. Honestly, that Bio needs serious work and soon. I don't want it to lost its star. And editors that keep adding fan fluff and unreliable sources keep making it worse. Yeah, I'll keep watch :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 13:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I know, nice to see that one did not revert my edit. Else I would have trout slapped it for being a dick. Keep a strong eye and revert, if you get the slightest impression that he/she's bloating the article. Alredy the FARs haev reached the music articles, so MC might get nominated. Lets hurry up and concentrate on the bio for sometime, since her discography is more or less done (thanks to you). — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, you're right. Every edit that is from a un-known editor must be heavily monitored. I will start re-formatting all the sources on the bio page, and begin a heavy copy-edit/remove puffery etc. I assure you though, I need help with the legacy section. You mentioned helping with that one before. I trust you know enough and will do your best to make one hell of a good one :) Maybe you can fix that section in a sandbox? Thanks for that :) I really intend to finish her whole discography pretty soon! Lol, I hope for his sake he doesn't get you pissed :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 13:29, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, I'm cleaning up the sandbox. Please wait until I'm done. Got Nickson's book today from library. By the way, be careful with the samples. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

We are delving too much into the singles. Ideally it should be about the albums as they would be the main musical bodies, plus the lede needs correction. Instead of summarizing, it is going into intricate details. I will try to resize it. Btw, don't try to reference Shapiro for the relationships. He confessed that it was taken from tabloids mainly. Wouldn't be a reliable source then. Use him for the music related additions only. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help Avi. I never did a bio, so I'm not so sure where I draw the line with details. How is it looking so far though? I re-did all the sources (and found many new) and re-did the first three parts. Also, I don't want to interrupt you, so tell me, are you finished yet? Thanks again! Yes, I want this to be a fair and neutral article, without all the UNDUE "Carey's the best" crap in it. Oh, and regarding the samples, yeah, I'll add one for the "Fantasy" Remix since I talk about its "legacy" here. In the mean-time, I'm going to try and finish the rest by tomorrow, as well as finding new photos on line. So when I'm finished, please have another looksee and try to do the legacy section :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Its looking good so far, but again, we are going into too much detail. The page is exceeding 192KB now, including the image imprints. We need to bring it drastically down to 120-130KB. When you add content, thumbs rule should be to go over her major musical contribution. Like you talk about the album and the singles released, but not all singles were impactful right? So those singles that were impactful (like VOL) should be discussed in the Influence and Legacy sections. Doesn't make sense to have them in the bio. A reader would want to move forward as to know what happened next, not get bogged down with details. (This is the case of the MJ bio, you read it once, you will snooze) This applies to the Early life section also. Much of what Patricia did doesn't concerm Mimi now in anyway. She herself said in countless interviews that she has left that far behind. She never felt impacted enough that it showed in her work, until issues with Mottola. We need to introduce their struggles and join them to the release of Mariah Carey smoothly. At present its divulging too much into the racial stuff, which actually is a WP:BLP violation, pro and con both included. Also, we cannot use too many non-free samples. I believe "Vision of Love", "All I Want For Christmas is You" and "We Belong Together" are the ones which would pass NFCC, simply for their impact. This applies to images also, albeit free ones too. You do the addition, I will check the free flowing of the prose and cut down where its delving away from the timeline. Again, don't use Shapiro for personal life. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Yes, I can't help it :( What I'm going to do is write it all out, and then butcher it out like your doing with "LAP" and move things around to the legacy section. Yeah, before I cut and paste, it will probably reach like 230K lol. Hmmm, I'm aiming for a nice 150k :) So that we don't edit conflict, I'll let you know when to come with the scalpel and scissors and cut some shit out :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:52, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes let me know. I don't wanna edit conflict with my fucking Wi-fi malfunctioning continuously. Those people at Nielsen are gonna get a piece of my mind. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:58, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Best Thing I Never Had

Hi Nathan. I needed a screenshot for this video but i do not know which part. P;lease watch the video and upload what you deem as worthy to to be uploaded. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

What do you think will be the best among 2:57, 2:58, 3:18 and 3:20? Nathan, please if you have time watch the full video? I am very bad at selecting a single screenshot? Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you re-assess articles? Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please re-assess "Countdown (Beyoncé Knowles song)". Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Nathan. But i will not nominate it for GA. It is rumored to be sent to radio on August 29, 2011 in the US. I am so happy that at least for this era, i can create decent articles, i mean Beyonce has at least given a quote on the development of each song. Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmmmm what? Actually Beyonce did not give interviews. She posted those details on her official website. Wait, i am just having a look. Nathan, do you even sleep? You were here 8 hours ago? Does that mean you slept only 8 hours? 18:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

You are definitely a genius. Nathan, i like the first picture (left) but will it be right? I mean, we cannot see Beyonce's face in that>? Is that a problem? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, do you think this is too big? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh YES ("Dance For You" (a song from 4), anyone?), i love it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did Mariah marry this old man? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I love it. I already told you above. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. I am leaving now. Goodnight. See you. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Can you please re-assess "I Miss You (Beyoncé Knowles song)"? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:19, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:26, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, do you mean i have the right to re-assess the articles i write? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. One last question, do you feel "I Miss You" is GA-ready? I do not think it will be released, so i will nominate it depending on what you will tell me. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh please do not say that Nathan. It really matters to me what you think. Seriously!!! It's just that i could not resist any longer. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Nathan but i do not really love that. Byonce should not have done a song like this at such a young age. And Legolas just gave me the biggest shock i have received so far in August 2011. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Loud

I will go through every reference tomorrow to check what Tomica has done. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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MC

I've sent the mails :) Btw, I heard Mimi's feeling insecure about her post-pregnancy figure? Also, some issues with NC? I'm worried :( Novice7 (talk) 07:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I saw that yesterday :P Muscular Mimi :D Yes, it is great to see her happy unlike 2001. Although I was just 8 back then and didn't know about MC (lol), I have seen a lot of interviews and articles. I'd love to see her like this or even this. She has to work out a lot and of course do some cosmetic surgery (IMO). I know she's very nice and down to earth and that's what made me fall in love with her in the first place. Have I said that I love 1999-2003 Mimi a lot (appearance. I have to agree that Glitter Mimi didn't look so good). Novice7 (talk) 08:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

A few of them seem free and not copyvio. I'll send the mails soon :) Please do let me know if you need any help with the bio =) Novice7 (talk) 03:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, Shining Through the Rain :) Do tell me when you do "Boy (I Need You)" (I'd love to do it, with your help of course); I love that song :D Btw, as you might have seen, CB is almost complete. Just waiting for a c/e by Legolas and we're done :) Also, I'll do "NFY", "TGTBAW" and "Right to Dream" (if I get sources lol).. Novice7 (talk) 04:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

<wipes away tears> Oh, hi! Yeah, it is a cool song :) No replies for the images yet :) Ooh, Alexsander replied and he has changed the license! I'll upload that photograph soon :) Sorry... I was seeing this interview and gosh, how beautiful and down to earth MC is (not Oprah! lol) I was crying lol :D Novice7 (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Added FLAB picture :) What's the song in the other pic?? I'm glad Mimi is getting attention here in WP lol. Thank you for improving them Nathan :) Novice7 (talk) 07:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Cool! Yes, a very cute smile lol Novice7 (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

That would be nice :) But, you know, he said he would help me. That's why I'm waiting... Novice7 (talk) 06:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I hope you're not mad at me because you have waited so long :) Novice7 (talk) 06:15, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha lol. I knew it! Well, just two or three more days Nat :) Btw, TEOM is an FAC! Good luck. The Release history section might be questioned (iTunes and Amazon sources and their reliability). Be careful. Sources like this or this will be very helpful to you :) Novice7 (talk) 10:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Loud

Can you tell me which references are wrong still? Like Rap-Up, Billboard, Digital Spy, MTV, iTunes etc.? Because looking at 278 references and trying to spot mistakes is really fucking with my eyes! haha. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

Nathan have you got an e-mail address i can contact you with? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

Please participate in this

Can you please participation in this discussion Talk:Shania Twain discography#Canadian country peaks? Thank you. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

"Resentment"

Thanks for the move. I have notified the user. Regards, Efe (talk) 03:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Yep. A newbie. --Efe (talk) 13:00, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

You

Done? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:53, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Almost! Got the "Voice" section and "Philanthropy", which I'm not adding much to, just cleaning and formatting. Look, so I shaved the bio a lot, so its under 170K. I've thought about it, and it really cannot get much lower, I kept it to the important facts on each era, not even delving into personal relationships. So, when you look through it, don't chop out too much, because I honestly think its at a really good place now. Also, leave those damn pictures the size they are :P Lastly, so are you going to do the legacy section? All the vision of love/AIWFCIY stuff I left jumbled there, so it can be all put nicely. I also left a bunch of influeces sources. So how does that sound? :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:04, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Heads up, I have also invited the opinion of User:Rossrs, he's just brilliant in crafting good prose and technicalities. Tony1's suggestion will also be implemented. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

God knows where Rossrs have disappeared. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Lead copy-edit

Sorry for the delay, I'm afraid I've been a little busy elsewhere. I've done what I can with the 4th paragraph of the lead; please revert anything you are not happy with. I hope this helps and good luck. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Help please.

Hi Nathan. If you listen to "I Miss You", as from the second verse, you will hear that Beyonce appears to be singing with calm vocals in front while in the background she is singing the same thing but in a more desperate way. (i do not know what correctly describes that). Can you please construct a line for me. I do not know how to put that in words. Please. Did you understand what i mean? If not listen to the song. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i knew about Mariah doing the same thing on "Bye Bye". Nathan, can you give me this in a sentence or two. I want to put it in the article for the song. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Nathan. You are GREAT. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, can you please replace the sample for "I Miss You"? I think 1:59 to 2:21 will be the best to demonstrate what i asked you earlier today. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank You. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Please reduce the sample to 18 seconds. From 1:59 to 2:17. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Please wait. Do not do it till i tell you again. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Change it now please. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Wait Your Turn/1

Hi, would you please participate in this discussion? Thanks. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 15:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Favour pleaseee

Could you upload a picture of Rihanna performing Rude Boy from the Echo Awards and a picture of her performing Rockstar 101 on American Idol by any chance please? I don't know how to upload pictures or what these "non-free" things mean! lol Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 23:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

But what makes these images notable and needed. Those won't pass rational unless there is a Britney-Madonna kiss things, you know, iconic stuff. That's why we only use free images for live performances 99% of the time. Now, there are some on Flickr that we can ask for permission, such as this one. I could not find the first one though. I will ask someone to send them a message and let you know if we get any updates :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I think just to pad the articles out a bit, as the current ones are that interesting. I think Rude Boy is more deserving, because of how she had two robots on stage with her. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 23:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, the issue is that there is no free equivalent for that performance. And I personally don't think that passes rational. I ask you, is there critical commentary on the robots? Or any sufficient coverage like that?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Daily Mail, Prophet Blog, MTV, Rap Up and Idolator all reported on the Kids Choice and Echo Awards performances (Both use the same set up), mainly commenting on the robots pinching her bum lol. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 23:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol. I honestly don't think it will fly Calvin. If you want me to upload it anyway, I can. I just doubt the article will go anywhere near GA or FA with it.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately Nat, all of those RiRi-AI pics are copyvios :( I don't think Fox or American Idol allows people (excluding their photographers) to take photos. Novice7 (talk) 06:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Mags :) So Calv, I don't see another alternative :S--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem :) Btw, Nat, when you send me the scans, can you squeeze in "How Will I Know" page too? Novice7 (talk) 10:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Great! So, all Whitney pages (except "Exhale", "Greatest Love of All", "Saving All My Love for You", "I Will Always Love You", "I'm Your Baby Tonight) and Toni Braxton ones (+Xtina Aguilera's (lol I know you don't like her) "Genie in a Bottle" if possible) :) I hope they're not too much :) If you can't send any page, please do let me know :) Novice7 (talk) 10:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks heaps!!!! Sure. I'm going to edit now, I'll let you know when I'm finished. Btw, refs 190 and 191 are broken. Novice7 (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Done! I have the Ultra Plat copy, so I added than in. Does it look okay? Novice7 (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

It's fixed now :) Good luck with the FA process! And, thanks in advance for the scans friend :) Novice7 (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I will :D Lol, no! Don't retire yet! Novice7 (talk) 11:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

No, not yet :( Novice7 (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, I have uploaded reduced samples of File:Mariah_Carey_-_FlyLikeABird2.ogg, File:Mariah_Carey_-_We_Belong_Together.ogg, and File:Mariah_Carey_-_It's_Like_That.ogg :) Novice7 (talk) 07:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay :) I hope you're safe! Btw, SURPRISE!!!! Novice7 (talk) 07:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I think you should wait for the Flickr bot to validate the license and stuff and then you can crop. Btw, after cropping, can you upload a separate version? Also, be careful (lol I'm scared about the Hurricane thingy). Novice7 (talk) 07:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Or, I'll ask the Graphics lab to remove the border (like the watermark from GMA FLAB pic?) Novice7 (talk) 07:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll ask her or I'll post a request on the Graphics lab of Wikimedia Commons. They'll just erase the border, I think. As for the pic, I actually asked one Flickr user (she had pics of "Clown", "TTR"? (Mimi, a green dress?) etc.) Unfortunately, she didn't reply :( I'll ask her again. Btw, I saw a few days back that Legolas asked some Madge fansite for pics! How cool! I wish MDJ or MConnection or any other MC fansite would give us some pics :( Novice7 (talk) 11:12, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll send an e-mail to MDJ again begging lol. Not only MDJ, but also Whitney fansites :| I sent mail three times to Just-Whitney.com Webmaster (the site is no longer up) asking for pics; no reply. Similarly to Whitney-fan.com and Classicwhitney.com Webmasters :( I just wish they'd give me lots of pics (both MC and WH fansites)... Novice7 (talk) 11:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah lol. They could atleast reply saying "NO! We will not give the photographs" :D Novice7 (talk) 11:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The pic's fixed. IIVeaa is great! She fixed the picture :) Novice7 (talk) 13:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Up! Live in Chicago

I have responded to your comments. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:54, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I have replied to some. I'll continue later. Right now, I have homework to do. Also, would mind crossing out the points you feel have been addressed. It's a bit hard for me to identify what has and hasn't been done. Thanks :) -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Kanye West proposal

Hello. I'm proposing a WikiProject Kanye West at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Kanye West. Would you mind taking the time to vote there? Put your name in the Support section if you think he deserves one.

Kanyewest1123 (talk) 09:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Loud

I have gone through the most problematic sections and completely cleaned up the refs and formatted them how they should be. Can you see any outstanding formatting formula discrepancies or missing publishers etc. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks much better Calv. I'm going to make some additional ref fixes, and then proceed onto the rest of the article later on today ;)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks :). Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, if you ever plan on sending this to FA, I suggest you PR first. There I can help you craft perfect refs, otherwise you know what will happen.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Could you do me a favour an archive this website please? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Holy

..Mother Monster of Disrespectful fuck! You didn't knew about WP:BRITNEY??? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

LMAO. Nope, had no freaking idea. I know lol. When Mags told me I was like... oops :S--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Nathan, thank you wholeheartedly for that award. It really feels good to know that one's work does not go by unnoticed. I do not have the appropriate words to describe my happiness (as always. Lol). And Nathan, you are also very kind. Sincerely, you are the kindest of all here on Wikipedia and this comes from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.

P.S I love that picture!!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

You are most welcome Nathan. An don't worry, i am going nowhere anytime soon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

		The Music Box Award — You are a true Mariah Carey fan
		For your dedication to the Project, articles and everything that is MC! You have set a wonderful example for everyone else to follow. I present you with this award mainly to let you know that whatever you do for the project does not goes by unappreciated. Keep on the good work Nathan. One day, i am sure (infinity%) that you will manage to promote all MC articles to GA status. You are one of the few editors who really work according to the criteria for a GA and not only for the sake of having a GA icon on an article of Mariah Carey for embellishment. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually you know what happened........... I went to your awards page and saw that i never gave you a barn-star. I was seriously baffled and also thought: "What a shame, i have not given anything to the one who helps me the most here!!!" Lol. Anyway Nathan, seriously, everything i wrote, is the truth and not just for the sake of giving a barn-star. To tell you frankly, what i like the most in you is that you are very patient and always ready to help. I am very lucky to have you as one of my friends here. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I really need to go. We will talk later. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, if you have time, can you please write a synopsis section for me for "1+1" using material from here and here? If you can, please watch the video once to have a better idea. Nathan, i would not have told you to do it. I usually tell CPrice but he is not available and most importantly, i am asking you because i have already nominated the article for GA. There was no news about a possible video. It came out of the blue. I have not even watched the video till now. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, thank you very much. Please do your best. I know you are good at everything you undertake as a task but still, i just wanted to request you to craft an amazing one. Thank you again. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

One more link that may help. Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:22, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, i love it. I love it. I love it. Thanks you wholeheartedly. It is impeccably written. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I assure you that i know Nathan. I mean, i have not watched the video. Someone told on a forum that it was the most indescribable video he/she has ever seen. Lol. Nathan, do you think the lead of the articles is too long. I tried to put minimum details there. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I think i will manage with the lead. Do you think the reception for the video is too long? If yes, please tell me which ones i can remove. You know how i feel when it comes to remove material from the articles i write. It seems like it someone is stabbing me with a knife each time i am removing a line. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, i hope you are doing well. Can you tell me if the picture here can be bigger? It boils my blood to see so small pictures. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if you saw above?

I posted "Could you do me a favour an archive this website please? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 12:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)" above but I don't think you saw it? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 16:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Got it!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it in. I wish Billboard had an archive chart like the UK where it showed like, the top 40 and not just the top 10. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 16:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

And I've sent you an e-mail. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 08:28, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

And again Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry you've gotta read my latest one! (I sent two at two different times about different things lol). Can't believe it!!!!! :O Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Mimi

Yep. Its on my watchlist. I'll visit the page right away. --Efe (talk) 15:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay I have crossed out resolved issues / concerns. I will be back perhaps tomorrow. You know that's huge. BTW, I don't know the existing policy now. Can I possibly use a template to hide (collapsible) those resolved? --Efe (talk) 16:00, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Peter, I have added my comments there. I might be able to respond during weekdays, but not on re-reviewing the article. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 12:42, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I think Sandy's not going a run though the FACs so Mimi's not going anywhere until the following week, I think. My time's limited during weekdays, so I'll have to make this quick. Great improvement on the article. Cannot have a review, however, but I went to see it very very quick and here are my additional comments:

• There's a lot of random quotes in the music and lyrics section. Most of them pertains to individual songs actually. As emphasized in the FAC review, there has to be cohesion in the entire idea that is presented for that particular section.
• I was wondering if Mariah did improve her vocals in Mimi. Did critics noted that (in considerable coverage)? I was wondering if you could also emphasize that (perhaps along music and lyrics).
• Commercial performance. Perhaps you make another subsection for the album's commercial performance since you added the singles. But I am concerned about how that (singles) is presented. Its sort of a collection of info culled from each single's page and pasted unto that subsection. Since its under commercial performance, it is suggested that you revamp that to make it read like commercial performance. There's unnecessary details, too.

That's all for now. Thanks for the patience, Nathan. Ciao! --Efe (talk) 13:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding my concern about the section music and lyrics, take Love. Angel. Music. Baby. for example. If you want to keep those mentioning of almost all songs, try weeding out the unnecessary stuffs like random quotes. Also, like Love. Angel. Music. Baby., I would suggest you give an analysis (based on reliable sources) of Mimi's musical style, and perhaps her voice, to support the lead. --Efe (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I requested Sandy to transfer my comments (perhaps in toto) on the nom's talk page. That'll invite other reviewers to weigh in on their comments. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, based on the current standing of the article, I still Oppose. What is bothering me is how the article was organized. Well, there are pretty much information in the article, but then those ramdom quotes, at times non-existent cohesion, and what not are bothering me (well, personally and based on existing FA Criteria). Why I was asking Sandy to transfer those comments of mine was for the nom page to feel like inviting for other reviewers. Even if I crash my Oppose out, still there's no clear consensus. FAC takes more than one or two Supports. Besides, my review was grounded on the contents. There are so many aspects that reviewers look into. And nitpicking? That is very common in that area. While at work, I was actually thinking if my comments there have made the FAC (and for you) stressful (and perhaps frustrating). --Efe (talk) 14:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

So you don'w want to get those comments of mine transferred then? --Efe (talk) 12:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

One good example to take from: In Rainbows. --Efe (talk) 13:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

• Regarding your comment "They are meant to be solved in between you and me." I feel its going against the principle of Wikipedia. I actually don't believe in that. While FA reviews are meant to be resolved by and between the reviewer and the nominator, there have been many instances that better outcomes are generated by the participation of other reviewers. I don't mean like butting in like what I did here perhaps. So what would you like me to do? --Efe (talk) 13:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, I actually reviewed the article intermittently. I feel most of my prose concerns (at least those stated) have been addressed, that is why I sort of having this "brash" comments. Anyway, I will do another review if not on Saturday, I promise it will be on Sunday. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I am presently writing, having read 90% of the prose. In a while, I'll have my comments posted. Thanks Nathan. --Efe (talk) 03:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Sort of. Having been born in the 90s, I grew up listening to pop songs that were very popular late into the 90s and early 20s. --Efe (talk) 03:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

There. Sorry I feel I still have to oppose. --Efe (talk) 03:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I was born in 1990. I did like them and boybands such as Westlife and BSB were very popular in the Philippines. I also like Britney. Yeah. I will support in due time. --Efe (talk) 03:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Saw it. Taking a rest from Mimi. I'll get back to it maybe tonight. --Efe (talk) 06:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hehe. Not quite familiar with their music. I listen to I think 5% of Philippine music. (shame) --Efe (talk) 06:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for your kind words back in July. After some thinking, I've decided to stay. Also, good job on expanding MC's articles! You should feel very proud of all the work you've put into them! Crystal Clear x3 11:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete page moves

Hi there. Whenever you decide to rename a page, please be sure to clean up the links that it breaks. It is especially important to update the fair use rationale for any images used in the moved page, since failing to do so can lead to the images being deleted. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 14:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Charmbracelet

Hi Nathan! Take a look at this. Do you think it's ready for move to mainspace? Also, can you upload the samples of songs (important ones)? Thanks and hope you like my work (lol). Novice7 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

"BOTH" is good (maybe you can include the guitar solo and MC's belted vocals?) What about "MSG" or "Clown"? Or, "SI" (we're discussing it's musical structure a lot). I'd love to split "BINY", but as you can see, I'm getting kinda busy. But, I'm sure I can squeeze it in too lol. I'll do Chart (:P), lead, BG and we can share MV (I have an amazing source for that. Really amazing source). What do you say? After "Boy", maybe "Loverboy" or some Glitter single? We have atleast one song GA from 1990-2011 except for 2001 (ie, the Glitter era). Also, I'll be doing TGTBAW and NFY (I've started collecting information regarding them). I have pasted CB onto your sandbox. Novice7 (talk) 09:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Nath, I'm really greatful that you explained those things to me. They are a lot of Rihanna article to be improved - but the real problem is that I can not find sources, that's what my lack is. I'm doing the "Disturbia" article for maybe one month, because of lack of source and other stuff. "Cheers" is a new single, and there are plenty of source with which it can be expanded. The problem with Calvin is actually that I think he is gonna take every new Rihanna single/album and try to make it a GA, and I will not have place there. Otherwise I adore that song, cause me together with one friend accept it as our "anthem". However, it was decision that it will be our last co-nomination. Btw can I use your help? Can you try to find me sources for the Disturbia video and live performances. I can't really find, I would be greatful if u can do that for me. :) And thanks for your advices, I know you had a good will. C Y ! Tomica1111 (talk) 23:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I have looked 5645654645 times, but the sources for the STUPID music video are the real problem. There are only 3 ! :/ I also can not write the synopsis. Ahh this article gonna kill me. It Disturbes me ! hah :D Tomica1111 (talk) 23:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The main one's are:

• 2008 MTV Music Awards
• 2008 Pepsi Bowl Center
• I have sources for the AOL and Nokia promotional concert
• Maybe from the tours Good Girl Gone Bad, Last Girl on Earth and Loud

  LGOE Tour: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1267260/Rihanna-lights-Netherlands-dazzling-display--Belgian-fans-left-disappointed.html Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

  LGOE Tour: http://www.pentictonherald.ca/stories.php?id=278008 Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

  Loud Tour: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/07/rihanna-is-loud-sexy-and-larger-than-life Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

  Loud Tour: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rihanna-performs-high-energy-hit-filled-tour-kickoff-20110605 Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon!

(Press Ctrl+F and type Disturbia, it will highlight wherever it has been used in each link. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 23:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC) Try finding, if u can't let it ... Thanks Tomica1111 (talk) 23:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you to both ! :) Tomica1111 (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Again thanks, I "built" three enormous sections thanks to the sources. However, Nathan I saw that you uploaded pictures from Flick to Wikipedia (I read on some talk page, I'm not sure where). In the commons I can not find a free image where Rihanna performs "Disturbia". Can you find a picture from maybe 2008 MTV Music Video Awards, or from some of the tours, or maybe from the both, cause there is a lot of information. Thank You Tomica1111 (talk) 14:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Did you find anything ? Tomica1111 (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I found one. I'm trying to get it for you. Have patience.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Please participate in this GAR. I have copy-edited the article and need to know if it is now of GA standard. Thanks. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 14:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

My feelings

Well both happy and sad. Happy because i think every woman should become a mother before the age of 30 and well i am sure King B is very happy. Sad because, i won't see her shaking her bootylicious body for at least one year. No tour, no promo for the album, i wonder what will happen to the latter. And what about you? Well i know you are not a big fan but still how do you feel? Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

That's not true Jivesh! I am a big fan. I'm just not crazy about her husband, new album or new look. That's all :) Hmmm, well I suspected this. That is why she filmed the music videos ahead of time. I suspected for a while now. Thing is, I figure she knows that the album kind of bombed and didn't produce any popular singles, so I figure she knew she wasn't going to tour for this album. My bet is she'll come back in around 1.5 years, maybe 2 with a new album, and tour as well.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well i think you are partly wrong here. She has filmed videos for all songs. She has also pre-recorded a UK-special, another one for France and another one for the US. All will air before Christmas. Nathan. to be totally frank, RTW is not a flop. It is a flop by Beyonce's standards. Radio refused to play that. It did quite well on iTunes. A flop single does not sell 700,000+ copies in the US though it charted for only 12 weeks on the Hot 100. And BTINH, i curse pop radio for dumping the song. Pop radio plays generic songs too much. It currently has 50 million AI, 22 million from Urban, 20 million AI from Rhythmic and 2 million AI UAC and around 8 million AI from Pop. Nathan, do you even feel any good about "Give Me Everything", "Party Rock Anthem" and company. "Last Friday Night" is so good, yet its airplay is dropping like a stone falling in vacuum. Coming to the album, an album which is released mid-year with no popular singles, having sold 1.35 million copies in 9 weeks in my opinion is good. 4 might not end up selling 7 million ++ copies like other B albums but it remains her most critically acclaimed effort. By the way, why did you mention Jay-Z? I also hate him. Didn't you know that King B is Beyonce herself? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S Can you imaging the baby is born on the 4th of the fourth month (April)? Lol. If it's a baby girl, we should pray she marries Mimi's son. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me

RTW and BTINH both top the US Hot Dance Club Songs chart. But the problem with RTW, is that it is very European, as we know, American's don't quite get that style of music (Kelly Rowland has been doing it to no success, and David Guetta has worked with just about every US act practically, yet he still doesn't do well there). Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually they do Calvin. If they did not, "Mr Saxobeat" would not be doing well on both iTunes and radio there without any promo. Same for "Stereo Love" (last year). America has changed. They do not appreciate true music. They prefer collaborations with lyrics about sex, bullshit and yes video, in which you partly exposed yourself but again, that should be paired with lyrics that will increase your level of adrenaline. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:19, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Mr Saxobeat is 44 on the Hot 100. But David Guetta has really good songs that are always played in UK clubs and bars, yet he doesn't really get recognition. Not even Rihanna could get him into the top 50 on the Hot 100.Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol. I'm going to post each idea in a separate point, so we don't get confused :)

• Well, why do you think she recorded the videos early? Because she knew she would be pregnant. I also think the "Love on Top" performance last night was very fierce :) Her vocals were awesome!
• @Calvin; That's not the issue. Look at Rihanna; all of her recent singles are very European, and they do well everywhere.
• Yes Jivesh, for Beyonce's lead single, it did very poorly. Even Mariah's "Obsessed", that was performed only once on live TV at the time of its release, managed to peak at #7.
• As for "PRA", I hate that song so much. Crap of the crap. I like Katy's song a lot, but remember Jivesh, it is already the fifth single from the album, so its not going to be as big as the first. Its amazing the song even got to #1 without any live promo!
• Lol. I Hate Jay-Z, he's an ugly racist bigot. Wait, B is King B? Lol I didn't know that. How come?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan sorry for asking this but i really do not have any idea about this. Do you mean that a woman can feel that she is going to be pregnant in the near future? King B is Beyonce. Lol. I knew you thought King B was Jay-Z. That's why you brought up that bloody racist. See the single cover of BTINH. You will understand everything. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Calvin, there is something you need to understand. David Guetta (i like some of his songs) does not do well in the US because he does not do well on radio. He still does well on iTunes. He must have sold at least 1 million ++ records in the US. And "Mr Saxobeat" is really climbing. I think it has been on the chart for four weeks only. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Calvin, you are form the UK, right? It seems BTINH is number one on UK Airplay Chart. Can i have a link please? And it has also been rumored here and there that she received an awards for 30,000+ spins. Is there any reliable source? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I saw it lol. But I still don't get it. She writes "King B" on the mirror. How do you know she is referring to herself? Yes well, women usually plan a pregnancy. Up until this point, she was probably on some sort of birth control, and now that she was ready to "settle down", decided to let things go naturally. And yes Jivesh, after a woman misses her first menstrual cycle, she knows she is pregnant. Just BTW, Beyonce is probably around 3 months or so along the way, she has known for a while already. The bump means she is easily 3.5 months along. And also, David Guetta actually does very well here. His stuff is very popular and always on the radio (except for the Kelly song) Even though that didn't do well on the charts, its still popular.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) David Guetta's last album peaked at #70 on the Billboard Top 200. Sexy Bitch went 2x Platinum and peaked at #3, Club Can't Handle Me went Platinum and Where Them Girls At went Gold and went Gold. Apart from that, he's had no success, but across the world, he has had loads of #1s. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

We don't have a chart listing the Airplay Charts like America. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

It does not matter Calvin. Thanks anyway. And Nathan, Beyonce is weird sometimes. I do not understand the King B thing but i surely like it. Lol. And concerning the fact of being 3 months pregnant, is not it too much? I think she would have has a miscarriage for dancing so heavily at the Billboard music Awards and that UK festival starting with the letter G (No offense intended). Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well a woman can do cardio until around 3 months, after that she risks losing the child, so yeah, 3 months. Lol. the Glastonbury Festival. Well remember, those are many months ago. I really love Adele. She is very beautiful (but fat sigh). Unfortunately, she seems to be losing her voice. Last nights performance was poor for her standards.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Just because you dance, doesn't mean you'll miscarriage. People usually wait until the 3 month/3.5 month mark until they say they are pregnant, as the first three months is the time when something is most likely to go "wrong". Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

And Adele has been suffering from a throat infection i think, he had to cancel some American dates on her tour recently because of it. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

(Four edit conflicts) David Guetta surely has a lot of number ones but he does not have longevity. For example, Beyonce has five number ones on the Hot 100 chart. Well, only five when others have so many may look little. But Beyonce has longevity. She is not among those hitting number one on iTunes on the first day f release. For instance, BTINH remained outside the top 80 of iTunes for a month and after that it climbed slowly. Since three weeks it, is stuck between #25 and #32. Similarly, despite having only five number ones (i can proudly say they are her songs, she is not the featuring artist on any of them), most of her song stay more than 27 weeks on the chart. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I think i love Adele. She has meat. And i love girls with meat. I prefer not to even imagine a collection of visible bones laying next to me. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes well many of Rihanna's #1s and biggest hits are as featured artists. Yeah, well Beyonce hs longevity only because she's an amazing performer. But her music itself doesn't look to be faring to well. We will see Jivesh, I hope her new album does a lot better! Lol. Well Adele is beautiful, but I don't like her body. She is 'too heavy. Yes, I don't lie bones either lol.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

(Why do I keep going into edit conflict when no one is posting?) Out of Rihanna's 10 number ones, only 4 of them have been a collaboration. Out of Beyonce's 5, 3 have been collaborations. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a difference between a "collaboration" and being a featured artist. Compare "LTWYL" and "One Sweet Day". Its a duet and collaboration versus being a featured artist.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I really hope so Nathan. 4 is a very good album. I know the music might not please everyone but it really left critics with a nice level of satisfaction (73 based on 36 reviews!!!! even Adele did not get that many reviews, though she got 75). It would be great if it could do much better commercially. Beyonce is a fighter and i have faith that she will not abandon her album even if she is expecting sextuplets. Lol. Calvin we are not talking about collaborations but about being a featuring artist on someone else's single. Bye for now Calvin and Nathan. You both are amazing friends, i love chatting with you especially when it is about the girl residing in mind, heart, and........... i do not know where else. Lol. See you later. You two take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

If I can go here and place my opinions. I can't really understand, how Beyonce has 4 number-one albums in the United States, but just 5 number-one singles. Also I can't understand how Rihanna which has #10 number-one singles (we hope "Cheers" will be the #11) hasn't got yet a number-one album, her highest charting is GGGB at #2. And Adele, mm she is an interesting person, but sometimes very boring. The fatness is definetely her problem. Btw I'm also very sceptic and I have to agree with Calvin about the European music in America. Sometimes I really feel that the Americans are nationalists when it comes to music. For example all 5 Katy Perry singles went #1, and most of them are typically American, especially LFN (TGIF) (which I STRONGLY HATE). The song went #1 on the Macedonian airplay Antenna 5 FM, however ... Tomica1111 (talk) 18:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I have a few answers to that. First of all, Rihanna is viewed as a singles artist, just as Katy Perry, where are Beyonce is not. It comes with the fame and success. Gaga was both, but is now moving towards albums. That's why. Also, yes well, Adele is more talented than Rihanna and Perry combine TBH. She is a singer-songwriter and is a very technical singer. She also is very beautiful, but yes, fat :(. I doubt "Cheers" will go number one, espicially since she didn't perform it at the VMAs. She lost a big window there. You'll see, all of the songs from last night will propel to the top and Riri will slowly fall. I think everyone loves Katy because of her bubbly personality and easy songs. They are relaxing and warm, I think everyone can relate to them. I think "Firework" is brilliant! Take care buddy, talk to you soon! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I badly needed to come back and say. Nathan +1000. "Firework" in my opinion is the best song with a message. I love Katy Perry very much. And Beyonce hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well i cannot say for sure, i guess she is both a single and an album seller. All her albums are at 7 million +, and even her singles do well. She is the top certified artist of the 2000s decade. Do not forget that. And also the radio artist of that decade itself. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Mmmm... we will see what will happen with "Cheers". "Firework" is a good song, but I actually hate the video, Teenage Dream and E.T. are perfect for me. But to be honest Katy Perry vocally is FAR FAR FAAAR .. from Rihanna, she sucks and all of you can feel it here Tomica1111 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Tommy, Rihanna has many bad performances too. Need I remind you of "Only Girl" on SNL. "Firework" is a very difficult song to sing for anyone. When she performs is acapella (Ellen) she does much better. Also the Victoria Secret fashion show was great. IMO, Katy is a better singer than Rihanna. I just hate that whiny voice AKA "unfaithful" *chills*--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well Nath actually I don't share that opinion. If "Firework" is hard song to sing for Perry, why would she record it so high?! I personally think that the Victoria secret was lip-sync, just look the EMA, AMA and bunch of them. Yeah, but beware that "OG (ITW)" is also hard song to interpret. Look how she sings it at GMA. Tomica1111 (talk) 18:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, "Firework" is at least 100 times more difficult to sing that "Only Girl". No offense intended. However, Tommy you have a point. Singers should sing their songs live for real. But even Rihanna does not always sings live. In fact most of the time, she does not sing live and when she does, better not talk about the outcome!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S Wow at the length of this section. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Rihanna sings live nearly always. I actually didn't see a performance where she lip-synced. However, yeah she uses back vocals and sometimes sings the song on a lower key than it's original. However, that's your opinion, by me Katy is an awful performer, Rihanna is better than good (4+ from 5). :) Tomica1111 (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well as I said. I think she handles the song fairly well live. And when you record in a studio, they usually have you do the vocals acapella and then blend them with the music for the high parts. I know the VS was not lip-sync, just some performances are better than others. Lol. Jivesh, that was funny :) In the end, they are both very close friends, so let's leave it at that. Tommy, be careful not to remove other peoples comments...--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:46, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Did I? Which comment?! Hey, and did you see what I wrote about "Disturbia" Flick pictures? Can you do that? Tomica1111 (talk) 18:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well Tommy Rihanna does not always sings live and that's a fact. You can research that. And 4+ out of 5 is a too much to be honest. Because then we should consider giving Britney a 4 out 5 at worst (for her singing after 2009). Lady GaGa will difinitely score a 10 out of five, a little more for Mariah and Beyonce. Anyway, bye for now. See you all later. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Take care Jivesh! Yup I saw, I will try to find some pics :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh, Rihanna does not lip sync. She doesn't do it, and she doesn't need to. Please give me an example of when you think the lip-synced. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 19:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Calvin. Tomica1111 (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

"Man Down" is good but radios play it excessively. I think I will soon get tired... like "IIWAB" :( Pixelyoshi (discuter) 21:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC) (PS : Nathan, your talkpage has become a forum lol =p)

Oh ya! Its been #1 in France for four weeks lol. (I don't see why). o wonder you're sick of it already. Yup, Hehe, I like it actually, makes me feel like my page is popular :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Come on Nath, you are a big Rihanna hater :P lol. I'm kidding, everybody can have it's opinion, for ex. I don't like Gaga at all. Tomica1111 (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I do like some of her songs, but yes, I don't like her or think she's particularly talented. I like Gaga :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Loud

When do you think you will be able to review the prose on Loud? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 19:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I would say later today. I will post a quick review for now to keep you busy, and then resume after I've taken care of the others.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Cooool. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 19:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I did your points for Loud. Also, I am editing the List of Rihanna songs for FLC, but I'm not really sure how long the Lead should be, or what I should even wrote about? lol. I have a bit of an idea. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 16:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC) Don't think you've seen this? lol Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 22:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I did see this. I will take a look at Loud when I get the chance. As for the list, I'm not quite sure what you're asking me?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Like, for the prose, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to talk about for the Lead concerning "a list of Rihanna songs". What is there to say? About from maybe talking about the musical genres, the development and changes of musical style with each new album, whom she's collaborated with? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 22:43, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, well I have never done an FLC for that, so I'm not sure. I would guess a nice three paragraph lead on the popular songs and their composition and success.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and I can't find any FL Song Lists lol. Thanks. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 23:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Through the Rain

See my comments at the article's talk page. :) - Sauloviegas (talk) 23:11, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

As you wish. I've started collecting material, as I said. You can work on LB :) Well, "SI" is a good choice (we can show the use of live band). We can merge the article today, but can you wait till my confirmation? I'll notify you within a few hours. As for the pics, no reply yet :( I asked for all the images of the uploader lol. Novice7 (talk) 04:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Towards the end, maybe some portion between showcasing her whispers and the belting? I can't really choose a definite time lol (maybe, where she sings "If you really need me baby...")? Novice7 (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Also CB is done. I forgot to ask something before: Should we include "I Know What You Want" in the singles section? I mean, it was from Busta R's album, included on the re-release of CB. Is it needed? Novice7 (talk) 08:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll send a mail to the owner asking for permission. However, I don't think he/she will allow to use it (see the "Request to license Streuth! ;-)'s photos via Getty Images" tag below (C) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED? I think he/she wants us to pay for the image.) Btw, you didn't reply to my IKWYW part :P And, thanks heaps for sending the scans :) Novice7 (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, a separate section for re-release would be awesome. We can include the information about IKWYW, Miss You, There Goes My Heart etc. Novice7 (talk) 06:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so good in writing lol. I'll provide the sources, can you create the section? Pretty please :) Novice7 (talk) 07:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! :D I've posted the sources on the talk page of the sandbox. Also, yes, we need that too. I thought of creating a "Artwork and title" section but couldn't find many sources (esp. the artwork. I know it was shot in Capri though). Also, can you tell me which song she's singing here? I can't figure it out. Lastly, don't care about my comment on "BOTH"'s guitar solo etc. It's not possible, I just listened to the song again. Upload a portion you like :) Novice7 (talk) 08:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

YAY!!! It's finally live!! Amazing samples btw. I'm very proud of the article, what about you? However, I'm not so proud about the Development section :| I feel that there's no connection... I can see that you've already added the credits :) Also, the image above. Can you tell me the song? Novice7 (talk) 04:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol, I can see a sofa and maybe you can use it in "TTR". The Flickr user has not sent any mail :( I'll try and find more sources for Re-release. Novice7 (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Cheers! Novice7 (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I'll post the sources within a few hours, maybe? It's 10 AM here and I have to go to temple, pray et cetera :) Novice7 (talk) 04:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much :D You're one of my best friends on Wiki too ;) I'd love to work with you on other articles and yes, you need to push me sometimes :D Novice7 (talk) 04:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

You take care too. Novice7 (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Sources:

• MTV (a small something about the video)
• SPIN
• Morning Call
• Video info (a bit)
• a bit
• NY Daily News
• EW
• This is kinda funny
• Slant
• Slant 2
• Music video
• A bit
• Music video
• NME Track review
• [1]
• I know, an article about Britney. But, they do mention "LB"
• [2]
• BB
• OS
• [3]

Novice7 (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Criminal

Hey friend, could you comment here?, Thanks Xwomanizerx (talk) 21:19, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Up! Live in Chicago 2

Hey, maybe you didn't read my last message, but can you please cross out the points you feel have been addressed? It makes it easier to navigate throughout the review and do what's still missing. Also, sorry I haven't gotten on this. I've had lots of homework. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh, OK. That makes sense. I think one of the major problems is how to make it clear that she wasn't on her Up! Tour, just performing three concerts before it began. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:00, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

Sorry about disturbing you, but could you please tell me are The Oskosh West Index and the-trades reliable sources for songs? My love is love (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, The Oskosh West Index was the first site that appeared when I clicked on Google News archive. And when we're talking about the archive, I don't know why but every time I search something there I can find news just till 10th page. My love is love (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm looking for "Sweet Sacrifice" by Evanescence. My love is love (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I added those. But for ex. when I click on page 11 it returns me back to p. 10. Is the same happening with you? My love is love (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you very much. My love is love (talk) 17:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

1+1 video

Hi Nathan. Finally, i watched the video. Can you do a screenshot 3:46 please? Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The image is perfect. Thanks. Why did you remove this line: "A quick peek at the "IV" tattoo inked on Knowles' left ring finger is shown, before she bathes in a tub of flowers as well as berries and blows billows of smoke", especially the part i put in bold??? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it. I found it to be excessive and confusing detail. Its not something noteworthy. You have to list the important things, not every detail that happens in the video or it gets confusing. What do you think of the video?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, in case you forgot, Beyonce's new album is called 4. did you get what i mean? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I do. I still don't think its worth mentioning, but honestly if you do, then by all means revert. I really don't mind. Its was just a thought.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok Nathan. I hope you are not angry. Actually, i think it should be added because in my opinion the tattoo is there on purpose. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

That's okay Jivesh, just emphasis that the tattoo is a reference to the album title.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Nathan. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're welcome! LovesMacs (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Jennifer Lopez discography/archive1

 Done — Status {^talk_contribs  03:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I have the page watch-listed and have already left additional comments.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 03:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The Drug in Me Is You

Hey. I'd like to say thank you for signing up for the GA review of The Drug in Me Is You. I was wondering if you are able to review it though because you are also signed up to review 14 other articles at the same time. Is this right or was this a mistake? GroundZ3R0 002 04:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Sleazy (Kesha song)/GA1

Everything has been addressed and changed or responded to as to why it wasn't changed. Only thing left to do is crop the producer image which i really don't feel like doing right now; you can pass the article and ill do it later, i had been meaning to anyways. Thanks for doing the review by the way. :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Again, talkback, all GA requirement have been addressed. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 04:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Up! Live in Chicago again

Hey, just commented back. As far as the introduction of how this concert was different from the Up! Tour, I thought the point was evident. Apparently not, where exactly is it confusing you the most? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 04:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying my best

Thanks. Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Cite news vs. web

Hello, Nathan. I understand that you are one of those select people around here who know the difference between the two and when (not) to use them as you find errors like these in FACs and GANs. I was wondering if you can quickly explain when to actually use {{Cite news}} as opposed to {{Cite web}}. I have been using the former for MTV News, Bilboard News, and Rolling Stone News for a while now, but I have a feeling that I might be wrong. Thanks, —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. And wow at that title. Did you see it on "1+1" revision history? Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol, no I didn't. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol. It is the same. Jivesh • Talk2Me

(butting in) I think both have different usage. --Efe (talk) 14:04, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes WP. They are very different. After reading what I wrote on Jivesh's page, know that those you listed (RS, BB) are cite web. Only newspapers (NYT, USA, Chicago-Sun Times, Newsday etc) use cite web.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey Nath

How are you buddy? Thanks for the advice in the Rehab peer review. I removed the picture, however can you read the synopsis and find suitable screenshot from it and uploaded for me, cause I really think the section needs a screenshot. Thanks & SY ! Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 12:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure Tommy. Give me some time and I'll get to it :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure, take your time :). Greetings Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Complaint about your review of my nominated article

As per the title, I am here to complain about your reviewing of my nomination of Endgame for GA. Although I am new to the world of GA reviews, it was my understanding (based on looking at other discussions for GA reviews) that should problems arise in the review, that you, the reviewer, were to prepare a list of things to be improved and give the nominating party, me in this case, an opportunity to remedy those faults. I would like to request that either you retract your 'automatic fail' to allow me a chance to improve said article, or re-review to give me such chance to actually react to faults you find in the article in question.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 14:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I did not say (nor infer) that the reviewer is supposed to rewrite the article in question. I was under the impression that the reviewer highlights a specific listing of problems to be fixed so that the article can be passed. I also encourage you to look at the review page, as I posted several issues there that I don't feel like retypinging here.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, I did correct a few things, but again, I have mentioned what I believe to be a few errors on your part here--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Kill the Lights

Hey, Nathan! I think I have fixed everything you said on Kill the Lights take another look and tell me if there is something still. :) - Sauloviegas (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for you to address my concerns

Firstly, I should point out that I am quite reluctant to voice my complaints in such a bold and up-front manor (even as I am typing this, I am hoping that you would render more useful assistance in improving Endgame), but I feel that you have marginalized me.

I must say that while I was understandably disappointed by the result of your review alone, I am even more irritated by the fact that you still have not even addressed my concerns about your reviewing of the article. You have said that:

• the prose is not strong - How is it not strong? I personally haven't found a great deal of issues with it, just a few here and there, although that is not to say that it could not be better.
• MoS violations...You specifically cited Billboard - Were you talking about in text (one instance only) or in the references? what other MoS-contradicting features are there?
• Unsourced content...you specifically cited the chart positions - You 100% were correct in pointing that out (and it has been fixed)
• To quote you: "The references are just in shambles. So many poorly formatted references and just plain unreliable ones; infowars.com, megahammer.com, roadrunners.com, everydayjoe.com" - What part of the format is poor exactly?
  • You cite Infowars as a unreliable source...in the context that it is used in (Mustaine on the Alex Jones Show) it is perfectly reliable since it is Jones' website. I would think he would be a reliable source for his own show. Would I use infowars as a source for George W. Bush or Queen Elizabeth II being 7 1/2 foot tall lizard people or whatever? Probably not. But in the context that it IS used in it is perfectly suitable - I would think Jones should know who was on his own show.
  • you claim that there is a source by the name of "Megahammer" There was none. Perhaps you were seeing "Metal Hammer" which is a heavy metal news magazine, and would be perfectly acceptable as a reference on a heavy metal-related article
  • "Roadrunners.com" - You were right in that it was a typo (supposed to be "Roadrunnerrecords.com", the website for Megadeth's label), but not that its an unreliable source (fixed now)
  • "everydayjoe.com" - re-reporting a story from Roadrunner Records' news website 'Blabbermouth.net' (since replaced w/ original source)

It seems to me that you didn't really look closely over the article, as I would expect a reviewer to not make such trivial mistakes, much less refuse to acknowledge them, and that is exactly what you have done - you have been condescending ("I'm sorry to say this, but all this shows is your lack of understanding of the GA criteria[...]"--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC) <--this for example could have been phrased more politely) and dismissive - you have simply refused to clearly address my concerns, and simply resorted to hiding behind the GA standards whenever I ask you to address my concerns.

Furthermore, you put words in my mouth: "I don't know here you got the idea that a GA reviewer is a copy-editor, who fixes all the issues."--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)(on my talk page) when I never said, nor inferred that the reviewer was supposed to rewrite the article; what I said was: "[...] it was my understanding (based on looking at other discussions for GA reviews) that should problems arise in the review, that you, the reviewer, were to prepare a list of things to be improved and give the nominating party, me in this case, an opportunity to remedy those faults."--L1A1 FAL (talk) 14:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)(on your talk page)

You claim that you would gladly re-review the article with no wait when (more likely "if" now, since I am still not really sure of what all the things you were pointing out are) I get the article GA-worthy - however, you really offered no help in the interim, since you really aren't clear as to what needs to be done (how is the prose bad? MoS violations? what/where? so I can fix them. How are the references poorly formatted? I can't fix this stuff if you don't explain a little more clearly what exactly the problem is. Most of what you have pointed out is quite vague.

Ultimately, while I must again stress that I was displeased by the result of your review, I am most irritated by your condescending and dismissive attitude and what I believe to be a lack of attention to, and/or interest in the subject matter of the Endgame album's article.

I would also like to note that I am seriously considering putting the article up for reassessment - not that the immediate assessment result may be much different, but if it is, hopefully I can get some better feedback from another reviewer other than yourself on how to improve problems in the article.

Lastly, while I would greatly appreciate if you would grant me assistance so that I may improve the article, I expect otherwise. Quite frankly, I can't say I even expect you to read my complaint in its entirety.

Extremely disappointed in you, --L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the support. This is seriously driving me up the wall. I didn't want it to become anything big, that's why I didn't feel the need to report it in the first place, I just went to explain to the user that what s/he was doing was disrespectful, but that obviously didn't work. And now I'm the one who needs to work on their Wiki etiquette? — Status {^talk_contribs  23:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Loud

I can't help but think you have failed Loud just because I commented on the prose of E=MC2, even though you said you were "willing to wait" for the GOCE. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 01:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I did. I don't deny what I do, but you are wrong on one part. I did not fail the article because of your rude and ungrateful comment and/or behavior, but because I have waited one month, and it still does not meet the criteria. What I did do because of your comments, is decide that I will not continue waiting, which I have been doing as a favor (they are supposed to close within 1-2 weeks). So no, I failed because you nominated an under-prepared article, I closed the nomination now, yes, because of your hypocritical comments. Last thing, you do not notice this, but several other reviewers do, you are, forgive me, a hot-headed kid who thinks they are smart beyond their years. You still don't understand basic criteria, and act as though you know all of the above, when from the look of Loud, you clearly don't. I have done nothing but give you help and advice until now, and you, dear Calvin, have done nothing for me in return. The least you can do, is not be disrespectful and rude, and go rambling about your GAN on my own work-page.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry that you felt I was being rude and disrespectful, that wasn't my intention and never would be. I was literally saying it as it is and was surprised and confused at the differences between what you told me to do and what you have done. You know I value your thoughts and opinions on things, and that you have been really good to me on here, which I have been very appreciative of. I don't think something like this should come between us, I didn't mean for or expect some comments about prose to be this much of a problem. Btw, for you to say to say I am "a hot-headed kid who thinks they are smart beyond their years" makes me think you have been talking about me and that you have had this opinion of me for some time? And I think it's a bit unfair of you to say I have done nothing for you in return, I did, after all, review 14 of your GANs. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 01:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I have not thought this for some time, but I know some editors have. After this though, that's what it appeared to me. Understand Aaron, you barge into an already uncomfortable review, and start listing your issues with Loud that don't even have merit. It honestly just felt like you were trying to fault me with stuff (you were as a matter of fact, accusing me of being a hypocrite). I obviously do not want to not have a friendship with you anymore (I am not Legolas), but I felt pretty slapped from this. Yes Calvin, you reviewed 14 articles (I never asked you to) of your favorite singer (not what I'd call labored reading). Anyway, let's honestly drop it and move on, I don't enjoy Wiki drama.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, it makes me feel a bit...I don't know what word I am looking for, that you think that of me, I would have thought that you would have thought differently considering that you, out of anyone on here, most probably knows me the most, you can tell from conversations with people on here what sort of person they are, and I don't think that is how I have come across, and it saddens me to think that people think that of me, and even more so that people have been talking about me in that way behind my back, when they don't even know me. If they have a problem with me, they need to say it me directly. I only commented on the review because I didn't understand why you told me to remove things which you have included, that is all, it just surprised me when I saw it. And I know I didn't have to review them, but I did, and I (unknowingly) got in pretty deep shit for it! lol. And it's not just articles on here that are too long that I get bored reading, it's anything in life, if I find something to go on longer than it needs to, I lose interest, so don't take that personally. Anyway, it's late here, it's 3am. Bye. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 02:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that after this, you can at least take my word for it. I do not think that of you, and grew very fondly of you, I consider you really close here. So don't think that. I was just explaining to you how you were coming across, that's all. Not to worry Aaron, all is forgotten and forgiven :) Have a good sleep buddy.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 02:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

A last-minute attempt at diplomacy

As you are obviously well aware I have requested a formal re-assessment of Endgame. However, it appears that thus far, the only activity consists of you and I at each others throats. If you are open to the idea, I would like to close the formal re-assessment, and with it, the animosity between us. I will start from scratch and re-post Endgame at the GA nomination to await another editor to objectively review the article and go by that. Ultimately, I would like to put this dispute in the past, but I will not back down from continued hostility.

IF (AND ONLY IF) my assessment of your behavior as dismissive/neglectful/whatever was mistaken, than I apologize for escalating the issue by asking for a formal re-assessment. If my assessment of your actions was correct then I stand by my actions. That being said, I can't know your motives for a fact, so I suppose I must give you the benefit of the doubt, but ultimately you can take what you wish from that.

I await your opinion--L1A1 FAL (talk) 04:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)