Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy

Meowy

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07 September 2011

Suspected sockpuppets

• Yerevanci (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Bars77 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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The user Yerevanci started not very long time ago, on 27 August and seems to be experienced user. All patterns of his edits seem like edits by blocked Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Many articles which User:Yerevanci began editing as soon as he came to Wikipedia are articles which Meowy edited in the past. For example:

1) the article on Whole Azerbaijan, which Meowy was interested in the past [1], [2], [3], especially the image (map) of Azerbaijan [4]. Here, Yerevanci restores the map [5] in the same article.

2) In the article Six vilayets, Meowy is involved with the name [6], and makes specific edits adding "six Armenian vilayets" [7]. Now, look what Yerevanci does [8] redirecting to the name suggested by Meowy.

3) In the article Northern Artsakh, Meowy makes edits [9], [10], [11] with POV text. The article was directed and merged to correct Gardman article, but Meowy who opposed it before now reverted and added text (from Armenian websites only) [12] . I reverted him to the version by administrator Betacommand, but he again reverted to POV version [13] with nationalist comment "why don't you redirect it??? wtf what kind of anti-Armenianism is this??? please do your work". And then he made more edits like this [14].

4) Next article is Nakhchivan which Meowy looks like was very active in: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]. As soon as Yerevanci began editing, he made this POV edit [26] too.

5) Another interest for these two users is Greater Armenia (political concept). Edits by Meowy: [27], [28], [29], [30], [31]. Edits by Yerevanci: [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39] (deleting large text), [40], [41], [42].  

The edit pattern looks very similar. It is also worth mentioning that the same editing pattern was from Bars77 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who was found sockpuppet of Xebulon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I don't know if Meowy is Xebulon, but editing patterns between three users match. After Meowy was blocked he used many sockpuppets and they were blocked. The same was seen with Xebulon. Yerevanci also acts like Xebulon because he knows soon he will be found as sockpuppet and tries to make as much POV as he can. Please take this evidence and see if these users are connected.     Dighapet (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow, see I was right these are bunch of sockpuppets. I also think Hovik95 can be the same blocked Aram-van. Look at the same edits they made: [43] and [44]. They use also the same language and way of editing. Dighapet (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

The reporting user did not notify User:Yerevanci of this investigation, so I took the liberty of doing so. Here is his response, copied from my talkpage:

"So yeah thank you for informing me abotu this case. My previous account was Hovik95, but now I don't use it anymore, because I lost my password and email. So I creates a new one. Is there something wrong with it??? --Yerevanci (talk) 02:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)"

It would seem that there is nothing shady going on between these two accounts. By the user's own admission, they are both his, but one is no longer able to be used. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 05:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, password are always recovered and the instructions are self-explanatory, however it's not so hard to see who this Hovik95 and Yerevanci are. It's the same person perhaps operating the other accounts Bars77, Vadorenfm and Gorzaim from the same area. See this admission by proven socks of Meowy who always confirm they forget their passwords: [45]. So, where is new for us to learn about person and people abusing and gaming Wikipedia policies and juggling with IPs? Neftchi (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Bars77 is blocked as a sock of User:Xebulon, not User:Meowy. The language differences between Vandorenfm and Yerevanci are fairly evident; I would be shocked if they turned out to be the same person.

You seem to believe that everyone who opposes you must be the same person, and use the fact that there have been confirmed sockpuppeteers to justify this belief. But all I see here is a typical nationalist POV-war, with offences on both sides. For example, using dishonest, false edit summaries 1 2, creating a disruptive ANI report after failing to even warn the user once 1, and trying to pre-empt this unresolved SPI 1 2.

Maybe my defence of Yerevanci will come out to be on the wrong side of things. But I will not retreat from my stance here. Trampling WP:AGF and trying to underhandedly manipulate results and opinion in your favour are totally unacceptable and should be made subject to scrutiny as well. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 20:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Lothar von Richthofen for defending the justice. So can't you just check the IPS and see that Hovik95 and me are the same person. I just don't wanna use Hovik95. That's all. Just because I'm editing articles about Azerbaijan Neftchi gets angry. That's OK. You just have to understand that Turks don't like to accept their mistakes, that's all. If you see I also added the ethnic makeup table of Yerevan that shows that Yerevan was inhabited by Azeris in 19th century, but still, they pretend not to see it. They only see that I added a table which shows that many Armenians lived in Nakhichevan and Northern Artsakh and they can't do anything against it, because I have added neutal sources. So thank you again. --Yerevanci (talk) 03:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Vandorenfm

I think there were like five different attempts to "prove" that I am someone else, and all of them were dismissed. Here is one example [46]. Users like Dighapet who file these endless SPIs should finally be held accountable for disruption since they do nothing but editwarring and shopping for blocks of accounts of their adversaries on untrue pretenses and made-up claims. Vandorenfm (talk) 03:13, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Clerk endorsed - Interestingly, Bars77 is blocked as a sock of Hetoum I. I'll endorse for a check between the two socks, but Meowy and all their socks are stale enough that i don't think we can do anything there. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I cannot tell if any of these accounts are related to Meowy, but I think it is  Unlikely that Yerevanci (talk · contribs) and Bars77 (talk · contribs) are related. However, it is  Likely that Hovik95 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is related to Yerivanci (see Hovik's deleted edits for recent activity). Still, even if it is related, it appears that the Hovik account has been abandoned, so I don't know if it is worth it to pursue that.

On a more interesting note, at least to me, Bars77 apparently started right back up where he left off, with Vandorenfm (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). This account made edits from the same IP as Bars77, starting only 20 minutes after the autoblock expired. 30 minutes after that, he began revert-warring on the same page that Bars77 was before he got blocked. I am only giving this much information because the Vandorenfm account has been around for much longer than the Bars77 one has. I at first was not sure if I should say that these accounts are related, but all of the above happening with two users on the same IP address and with the same user agent just seemed way too much to be a coincidence. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 05:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• The similarity of the editing interests between Vandorenfm and Gorzaim (talk · contribs) is strong, as can be seen from wikistalk. They are both interested in the most contentious AA articles like Nagorno-Karabakh, Caucasian Albania and Shusha where they support the same side of the debate. Can checkuser say whether Gorzaim and Vandorenfm have used the same IP? EdJohnston (talk) 14:13, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

 Likely. He edits from different ISPs, but they geolocate to the same general area. There are many overlaps with user agents as well. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 23:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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