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The article was not promoted by Karanacs 16:41, 17 October 2011 [1].

Rehab (Rihanna song)

Nominator(s): — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... the article got prose "lifting". This is my second nomination of it. As I said in the first nomination, I worked really hard on it for maybe 3 months with a help from a lot of users that can be seen in the second peer review of it. At first time I addressed some of the prose issue by myself, however I couldn't do it with the others. So the user Baffle gab (and also Chaosdruid) made a major copy-edit in it according to the FAC comments. If you oppose, please address the issues. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Look out for double full stops in the references.

Done — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is an inconsistency in date formatting in the references. You must either, for example, use 2011-10-16 or October 16, 2011. Not flit between both.

Done — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if 7digital is reliable enough for FA quality.

Nobody complained about it, so obviously it is. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You use cite web and cite news for the Billboard references. It's a publication, so all should follow the cite news format.

Not all should contain cite news. The text that was published in the magazine, but things like chart history obviously should be cite web. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FN.31 doesn't actually link to the review, just the website's homepage.

Yeah, a problem that we are trying to resolve. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FN.33 date parameter has been formatted incorrectly.

Done — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FN.39 title parameter has a hashtag in it for some reason.

That's how the name of the webpage it is. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FN.47 title parameter has an equals in it.

?? I can see it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good Girl Gone Bad should be linked with the year date the first time, not the third.

Don't really understand you. Point me where? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why have you used different sized dashes in the year brackets?

I think it is fixed. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are double spaces throughout the article.
Radio and release history section should also comply with WP:ACCESS like the other tables.
In the Radio and release history, it's Def Jam Recordings, not The Island Music Group.
Also, throughout the article, you use Def Jam and Def Jam Recordings, you should stick to one.
"nearly an octave and a half", irrelevant. (It's not even nearly either).

Yeah it's relevant. See the first FAC of the article, a user asked for me to write it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if the use of "..." is needed in all of the quotes? Is this stipulated by Wikipedia or is it a copy-editors personal preference? As other FAs do not have this.
Can you reduce how much you say "Rehab" and replace with other ways of referring to the song? For instance, you write "Rehab" eight times in the Release section.
The Credits and personnel section needs to be completely c/e. There is no linking and hasn't been formatted correctly. See Hard (song) for how it should be written and formatted.
- Not sure about the "Recording" as it is a studio and cannot really record anything on its own ... all amended, though still need linking. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- - Actually you (Calvin) should see "Irreplaceable". It's a FA and that's the way the credits and personnel should be written. Efe asked from me in the PR— Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Production and development section seems to weak for FA.

Don't see nothing weak in it. Obviously nobody complained about it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Chart performance could be expanded by looking at the Charts table.
Quite a fews instances of awkward phrasing and short sentences in the article, which is affecting the prose quality and flow. Reads like a list of hard facts, which isn't good to read.
An audio might be useful to add to the media in the article.

There was, but was removed as it was not a reliable explanation for it's use. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures should be balanced, regardless of which way they face.
The Tracklisting and formats section doesn't need to be in two columns.
Why is there a white gap under the last Live performance paragraph?
- Removed Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The references are pulling this article down, as they need to be perfect. Also, there are a lot of prose issues. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 22:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose by Wikipedian Penguin (See review below) (edit conflict)

(WP:LEAD and general comments)

" Critics' reviews of the song were mixed " → Critics wrote both positive and negative reviews "
- Amended Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Be careful about capitalizing "The", as in the error you made in "The Netherlands".
- Apologies, that was my mistake ... corrected Chaosdruid (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Be consistent throughout the article on whether you space after an ellipses or not. If there is a difference between such styles, let me know.
Please be consistent on whether double-digit numbers are written as words or numerals.
To my understanding, the two don't actually have sex in the desert, do they?

(Production and recording)

What do you mean specifically when you say that she was accompanying Tim?
" Shortly afterwards they went to a studio in New York City, where he began writing a song for her " — Comma after "afterwards", and who's "he"?
- Added comma Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" on Timberlake's album " → " on the latter's album "
- Amended
" Timbaland on the beats and Timberlake mentally composed the song's lyrics without writing them down " ???
- Changed Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" "Rehab" was recorded and mixed by Demacio Castellon " — Try to avoid overusing passive voice. How about " Demacio Castellon recorded and mixed "Rehab" "? Apply this suggestion for the following sentence.
- Amended Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No spacing between the two sentences.
- Space added Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What two other songs did Timbaland produce?

(Composition)

Per this consensus, we do not provide urls for Musicnotes.com references.
MOS:QUOTE says not to link inside quotes.

(Release)

" According to ~~the~~ American music magazine Rap-Up "
- I am English so I feel uncomfortable about removing that one - if American was not there it would be even more strange to lose the "the" to my English eyes. Can you explain why it should be removed a little more so that I can correct myself if I am making such a mistake generallly? (especially as the next one suggests putting it in?) Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - It is like how you say "Barbadian recording artist Rihanna" and not "the Barbadian recording artist Rihanna". There are many American music magazines, so the article "the" is omitted. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" iTunes " → " the iTunes Store "
- You seem to be confused with usage of "the". Here, the full name of the music shopping site is "iTunes Store", but it would read awkward to say it without "the" because the name includes a common noun (Store). Similar to NY Times, Washington Post, etc. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - And yet American is a proper noun, so why would a noun have it an a proper noun not? "According to the American music magazine" same as "He spoke to the American traveller Mr. Blah." Chaosdruid (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm talking about the word that is described ("Store" and "Rap-Up"), plus "American" is not a proper noun. Read my reply above, would you say "the Barbadian recording artist Rihanna"? No, you wouldn't, because it does not make sense. Only use "the" before a word/phrase that describes a common noun. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, someone who states that "... 'American' is not a proper noun" should perhaps not be reviewing articles at this level; if they choose to, they should perhaps check more thoroughly and allow other editors opinions to perhaps be correct. [2] Chaosdruid (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You link iTunes twice. Avoid WP:OVERLINKing.
" In January 2009 the song was released on a CD single in Germany " — Missing comma.
- According to the Chicago handbook the comma should not be there. (User:Chaosdruid/usefullinks/GOCEconv#Year_and_comma) Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" In early 2009 Timbaland signed a contract " — Missing comma.
- Same as previous. Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Critical reception)

" Billboard magazine said [that] the song "
- Added Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" "slinky-assisted" " — Should there be ellipses here? Be consistent.
Contrary to its name, Slant is not italicized because it is an online publication. Apply this for the reference as well.
- According to MoS online publications shold be italicised. "Online magazines, newspapers, and news sites with original content should generally be italicized ..." Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then what about Digital Spy? It is a news site that publishes original content. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Should there be an emdash in the final sentence?
- I have asked the lead GOCE coordinator to apply the dashes script, which unfortunately still seems to be not working properly for me. Apologies for that. Chaosdruid (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, what I meant was that why is there a dash? Is it being used appropriately and grammatically in that sentence? —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Chart performance)

Billboard overlink.
Try to avoid putting references in the middle of sentences, unless distinguishing sources is absolutely necessary, like contrasting information.
Avoid beginning consecutive sentences with the same word.

(Music video)

Digital Spy overlink. You already linked in a section above.

Done — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

" In other scenes, Rihanna wears a high-waisted green bathing suit, a multi-colored wrap, metallic earrings, and a demure net-hat with silver stilettos. While lounging in the sun, she wears suspenders and a pair of 1940s-style sunglasses. " — These two sentences need sources because they give detailed descriptions instead of a brief summary.

Done/Removed — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(Live performances)

" ["Rehab"] would have benefited " — Use single quotes.
- Seemed a little more complicated than that to me as there is a large amount of text missing after it - perhaps it should be placed outside the quotes? Perhaps wrote that "'Rehab' ... would have "benefited Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" at the 2008 American Music Awards where she won the awards for Favorite Pop/Rock Female Artist and Favorite Soul/R&B Female Artist " — Comma after "Awards".
- Added Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" Rihanna performed "Rehab" at the American Music Awards wearing an eye patch " — Same here.
- Amended, but removed the second to avoid confusing it with an incidental. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
" Her performance in Manchester was released in the UK through iTunes,[66]and is featured on the Good Girl Gone Bad Live DVD " — Space after "[66]".
- Added Chaosdruid (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(References)

Per citation template documentation, unless "Inc" is part of the name of the company itself, remove this part of the publisher's name. Time Inc for example is an exception, because that is the actual name. Apple and PopMatters, Inc are not.

Once again, I am prepared to change my "Oppose" if I feel that the article is ready. So, let me know promptly which comments you have addressed or when you have addressed them all, so that I can strike out the ones you did correctly. Looking at the length of this review, it may also need to be collapsed, but delegates will do that if they want. Note that I conflicted with Calvin, so he may have already brought up some of the issues that I did. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close/withdraw - the previous nomination was closed only three days ago. Per the FAC rules, you are required to get delegate permission if you wish to renominate before two weeks have elapsed. It appears you are getting some of the same reviewers opposing as you did in the previous review, so it would be beneficial to take some time to address substantive points before renominating. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

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 (Music video)
 *[[Digital Spy]] overlink. You already linked in a section above.
+::* '''Done''' — [[User:1111tomica|<span style="color:DarkOrange">Tomica1111</span>]] &bull; [[User talk:1111tomica|<font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?</font>]] 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 *" In other scenes, Rihanna wears a high-waisted green bathing suit, a multi-colored wrap, metallic earrings, and a demure net-hat with silver stilettos. While lounging in the sun, she wears suspenders and a pair of 1940s-style sunglasses. " — These two sentences need sources because they give detailed descriptions instead of a brief summary.
+::* '''Done/Removed''' — [[User:1111tomica|<span style="color:DarkOrange">Tomica1111</span>]] &bull; [[User talk:1111tomica|<font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?</font>]] 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 (Live performances)
 *" ["Rehab"] would have benefited " — Use single quotes.
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 *Per citation template documentation, unless "Inc" is part of the name of the company itself, remove this part of the publisher's name. [[Time Inc]] for example is an exception, because that is the actual name. Apple and PopMatters, Inc are not.
 Once again, I am prepared to change my "Oppose" if I feel that the article is ready. So, let me know promptly which comments you have addressed or when you have addressed them all, so that I can strike out the ones you did correctly. Looking at the length of this review, it may also need to be collapsed, but delegates will do that if they want. Note that I conflicted with Calvin, so he may have already brought up some of the issues that I did.  —[[User:Wikipedian Penguin|<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><big>'''WP:'''</big><font color="#0075FF">'''PENGUIN'''</font></font>]] '''·''' <sup>[ [[User talk:Wikipedian Penguin#top|TALK]] ]</sup>  23:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
+::* '''Done''' — [[User:1111tomica|<span style="color:DarkOrange">Tomica1111</span>]] &bull; [[User talk:1111tomica|<font face="IrishJig">Question Existing?</font>]] 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 '''Procedural close/withdraw''' - the previous nomination was closed only three days ago. Per the FAC rules, you are required to get delegate permission if you wish to renominate before two weeks have elapsed. It appears you are getting some of the same reviewers opposing as you did in the previous review, so it would be beneficial to take some time to address substantive points before renominating. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 00:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)