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:::::Ottava, the note on the next update page is disputed by me and at least another editor. – [[User:How do you turn this on|How do you turn this on]] ([[User talk:How do you turn this on#top|talk]]) 14:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Ottava, the note on the next update page is disputed by me and at least another editor. – [[User:How do you turn this on|How do you turn this on]] ([[User talk:How do you turn this on#top|talk]]) 14:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::You can dispute anything you want, but it all boils down to the idea that en Wikipedia caters to its audience, which always puts a primary emphasis on the US. In such an idea, it would be wrong not to mention Christmas. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 14:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::You can dispute anything you want, but it all boils down to the idea that en Wikipedia caters to its audience, which always puts a primary emphasis on the US. In such an idea, it would be wrong not to mention Christmas. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 14:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== my multiple FACs ==
YM, that's four FACs at once ... and the first still hasn't gotten support. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 05:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:Did you mean [[Faith Leech]]? It has one.... I know 4 at a time is a lot, but I've been able to deal with in the past quite easily. Unfortunately because of the type of topic, with nobody caring about Vietnamese history and swimming, these ones have always attracted about one comment per week, whereas the cricket ones have usually got 3-4 per week. I know about the karma theory of FAC and all that, but I was the most prolific GAC reviewer in a few months, and usually, a large majority of my articles have gotten onto the [[WP:GAN/R]] topic because of the fact that nobody is interested in VN or swimming. Whereas I think TonyTheTiger has 100+ GAs and has probably had maybe 150+ GANs in total and only a handful of reviews because more people out there are interested in American stuff...I do believe I'm within the proviso of not-nominating without prior supports and having dealt with objections, because there aren't any. I should be right apart from any copyediting concerns though. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos_of_Australia_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics|<font color="#FA8605">click here to choose Australia's next top model</font>]]'') 06:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::YellowMonkey, this is a tad unfair to the rest of the people who are submitting FACs. FAC isn't a competition. Its not a game to collect as many as possible. If you are unwilling to dedicate your time to one page, how are we able to know that the pages are as good as it should be? [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 14:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't view it as a competition and am willing to take care of the complaints when they do come. I have been able to do so in the past. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos_of_Australia_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics|<font color="#FA8605">click here to choose Australia's next top model</font>]]'') 03:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

==Citation template query==
I found this [http://www.sisav.org.tr/www.sisav.org.tr-tur/AV-YABAN%20(ING).pdf Turkish government brochure] which I want to use as reference. It's clearly an on-line PDF of a real paper publication, but I don't know what template to use. Cite:book and cite:journal would both be missing data (dates, isbn, doi etc), but cite:web doesn't seem appropriate. I'd be grateful for your view, thanks [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] ([[User talk:Jimfbleak|talk]]) 18:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
: I would think of the cite templates as a means to an end: the goal is to get the correct info, whichever templates works best, even if that's cite web. But, you can also write the citation by hand, you don't have to use a template at all, if that gives the best result. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, I never thought to do it ''manually''....duh [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] ([[User talk:Jimfbleak|talk]]) 07:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Adminship ==

Sandy, I think it is clear that you and Tony1 need adminship solely for the fact that admin don't tend to block other admin for random, ridiculous, absurd, silly, or premature reasons (most of the time). Its a good defense mechanism. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 01:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:They may need it, but they'll never get it, particularly Tony. Just the way it is. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 01:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::I know about at least 50 or so people that would support. The rest is 50% from there, especially if they promise not to ever block anyone. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 01:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Robot blockings, etc. ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=252683227&oldid=252682912 My thoughts exactly]. Seriously, we've had our disagreements, but you should consider Adminship. First off - you'd most likely pass, and second, as Ottava says above, it would be a good defence mechanism. ~<strong>'''''the'' [[User:Editorofthewiki|<font color="#FFFF501FFFFF101">editorofthewiki</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Editorofthewiki#top|<font color="Green">talk</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">contribs</font>]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">editor review</font>]])</sup>'''</span></strong>~ 01:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:You have no idea how brutal RfAs can be, and neither can anyone else who hasn't been through one. Are you seriously suggesting that the only way people like SandyG can safely continue to contribute to this project is by subjecting themselves to the ritual humiliation that is RfA? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 01:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Editorofthewiki|Yes I do]]. ~<strong>'''''the'' [[User:Editorofthewiki|<font color="#FFFF501FFFFF101">editorofthewiki</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Editorofthewiki#top|<font color="Green">talk</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">contribs</font>]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">editor review</font>]])</sup>'''</span></strong>~ 01:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Can you even begin to imagine the number of "enemies" SandyG has made, simply by not promoting an article? RfA is not appropriate for experienced and battle-hardened veterans like SandyG; it's for newbies who have yet to get their feet wet. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 02:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

::::OTOH, you'd need alot of enemies to counteract the 400-odd supports it would garner. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::...and we all know how desperate Sandy is to become an admin. She never stops going on about it. [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::: But ... but ... Ottava knows at least 50 editors who would support me :-) <small> Ottava, you must get out more often :-) </small> [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 02:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::: Sandy knows about template parameters, and occasionally need to move pages over existing pages. Surely enough to qualify for admin. (Gee, I missed the dramaz). [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 02:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Record breaking day for the rubberneckers at the adminstrators' noticeboards. Too bad there are real, live people with feelings and emotions and pride in their work behind those account names. Darn, just hate it when the block log of a perfectly fine person gets stained. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 02:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::: Poop on a block log. Seems like it's kinda like worrying about getting your Jaguar scratched in the very crowded parking lot. Just drive the AMC Pacer and stop worrying. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 02:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::: Yep. A block might be liberating. Also, something about glass houses and projectiles comes to mind when I think of the recent history of some of the protaganists. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 03:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: Maybe, in solidarity with Ceoil, we can all get someone to add "prick" to our Jaguars. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::::: I ''am'' in a direct action kind of mood lately. Say the word, Sandy. I would like my block to include "complete and total whore" though. Fits me better. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 03:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::: Watch what you ask for - only a couple weeks ago someone got a block essentially by requesting one. It can be arranged rather easily. Hmm. I wonder how COI will resolve in the CdB case. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 03:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::: I have such a reputation to uphold here. It might be sweet release from having to work on [[Save Our Children|this]] any longer. I'm about to block myself. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 03:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::::: I want my block log to say "purple nigger" in honor of the blurts of [[coprolalia|my friend]] who [[Coprolalia#References|wrote the official brochure]]. [http://books.google.com/books?id=Y6mvi6JH8ikC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=%22purple+nigger%22+tourette&source=web&ots=R74XVwhioy&sig=CPeJrkrJTPtTqERLjajRKttKjRA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result (No, she does not have a "mortified carer",] can they ever get it right?) If Scarian can drop F-bombs all over Wiki after baiting Ceoil, I should at least be able to get some mileage out of my [[Tourette syndrome|FA contribs]]. Oh, this is where I plug my talk page stalkers to [http://www.tsa-usa.org/news/0908BradCohenMovie.html watch Brad's story] on December 7. There, I turned this day into an advert! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Yeah, only [[Mary Wollstonecraft]] get accused of being a lesbo feminazi! Not me! I feel left out. :) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 03:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I think of it this way. As a Jaguar owner myself (pictures of my beautiful [[Jaguar XJ-S]] on request), I take exception to those who scrape my car in crowded parking lots and dont own up to it. Just as I take exception to administrators who ... and don't own up to it. I'm up for (another) block if that's what it takes to make some people see sense. --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 03:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

You might have to prepared for a lot of Trojan horse opposes by people who are acutally peed off that their substandard article didn't get through, etc . It's happened before. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos_of_Australia_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics|<font color="#FA8605">click here to choose Australia's next top model</font>]]'') 03:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

: '''Newsflash''': (we all know what happens when [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony1&diff=252716150&oldid=252707844 Tony goes on a mission]). [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::*Superhero music swells in the background* Doesn't anyone think that getting Sandy the bit would kinda circumvent the whole regular contributors getting shat thrown at them by admins issue tho? --<font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 03:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::* :-) [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Have you ever looked at RfA? It's a bear pit. If it were possible, essential contributors like SandyG (and I'd like to stress ''essential'') ought to be given access to whichever of the overblown "tools" she needs to do her job. What sense is there in trusting someone to have the judgement to decide the consensus on wikipedia's best articles, but not allow that same person to do the minor housekeeping sometimes required? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 04:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I'm another who fits into the category where I could use some extra tools but am not interested in adminship. There ought to be a new title where the better editors, who are more active or most important (like Sandy) of the non admin editors are given a few more buttons. [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">'''''Count Blofeld'''''</font>]]</span> 17:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


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Christmas theme for DYK article

I started a Signpost article about DYK's upcoming Christmas theme at Wikipedia:FCDW/December (as you suggested). Any thoughts on more content that could/should be added? I left a message in the DYK discussion area asking other DYK regulars to contribute to the article. By the way, there continues to be DYK/FA/FP discussion for April Fool's 2009, so a Signpost article definitely needs to be planned before and/or after April 1st. Royalbroil 05:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw your start ... perhaps you can add more wording to encourage editors to contribute, explaining how to contribute, deadlines and such ... assume the reader has never heard of DYK and doesn't even know where to start. You can pull some of it from the earlier DYK Dispatch. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Has there been any discussion about the possible bias of featuring Christmas on this day? Awadewit (talk) 23:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was a little surprised at that myself :-) If there hasn't been, there will be if the Dispatch goes out with no attempt to balance coverage. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DYK has a purposeful bias and always will (it even notes that a large portion should be American based, for example, because of its user base). Ottava Rima (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also surprised that there's a push to have a Christmas theme, just like I was surprised that there was a Halloween theme, because both are based on religious holidays. Some Christians are very opposed to Halloween because they feel it glorifies the occult. I never would have pushed for a theme on either topic. Royalbroil 13:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Many other websites have a themed front page on holidays. We can't please everyone. By having a "theme" to work on, it perhaps encourages more people to start writing and expanding new articles that they otherwise wouldn't have. For example, I worked on Halloween Pennant, something I'd never even heard of before it was suggested as a possible article to use. I think it's a good idea (well I did suggest it, at least the Christmas one). I don't think people are going to get that upset because it's "biased". We have articles for events on other days, why can't we for Christmas?
Ottava, the note on the next update page is disputed by me and at least another editor. – How do you turn this on (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can dispute anything you want, but it all boils down to the idea that en Wikipedia caters to its audience, which always puts a primary emphasis on the US. In such an idea, it would be wrong not to mention Christmas. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FAR and away

Hi Sandy. As we've discussed, I will not be able to daily monitor Wikipedia and the Featured article review. Happily, the workload there has been shrinking because so many of the older FAs have already been processed. It really isn't a lot of work at the moment. User:Joelr31 isn't especially active either, but he can probably handle closures. I will ping him to offer an opinion here. And I will, hopefully, stop by from time to time to make closures myself.

There are only two issues. One is segmenting the reviews (Review commentary/FARC commentary) and moving to FARC. This is really a janitorial thing that can be assigned to anybody. The only real question at FAR, as you know: are people working? If people are working, no need to move to FARC. If people are working, no need to make a final closure. Three weeks, three months, whatever. In the interests of content improvement, hard deadlines have disappeared at the review.

The other issue is pointy, flame war reviews, where an article is nominated and the conversation gets nasty in the first 48 hours. Best to simply close these, although it's a case-by-case decision. Joel and I may not notice such instances given infrequent editing, so I think you or Raul might stop by the page once a day or two to check for this.

A great number of excellent editors have made saves over the years. This year, Ceoil and DrKiernan have probably been the two most important assets, so you might want to keep them in the loop on any changes to the review structure, if you or Raul feel changes need to be made.

Peace be with you Sandy, Marskell (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raul is away at a conference and may be very busy catching up once he gets back at the end of this week. I see you closed and segmented several, so nothing at FAR is urgent right now; I'll continue to watch for flare-ups and put heads together with Joelito, Ceoil and DrKiernan once Raul is home and settled. Godspeed, my friend; I am honored and priviledged to have been in the presence of your work and friendship on Wiki, and will look forward to seeing you, however infrequently, whenever you pop back in. Be well, always, never too far away, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Comment

My apologies, but this comment got lost in all of the commotion and I just noticed it. Thanks for the note, I appreciate it. One thing I've always done since I've been an administrator is listen to the community. Of course I have my personal opinions on every issue, as does everybody else, but I am more than comfortable with listening to the community and using their input to make what are typically better decisions for the community as a whole. I thought this was evident with my unblock, but some seem to think otherwise. Regards, Rjd0060 (talk) 16:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]