Talk:Azerbaijan (toponym)

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I was thinking, should a section be added which also discusses the significant historical and cultural differences between Azerbaijan and Aran. The people of the Republic of "Azerbaijan" were always referred to as Caucasian Tatars, which basically means Turkic-speaking Caucasians. Migboy123 (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you.--Abutalub (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

The statement "The region in the north of the Aras River, which is today called the Republic of Azerbaijan, had not been included within the geographical boundaries of Azerbaijan until 1918" is simply not true. I added the section from 17th century Chardin's work which goes into detail about the borders of the province and even its etymology, etc. However, it is reverted. I wonder why? Isn't he as reliable as any other historic source quoted in here? Many wiki article cites Chardin's book, so how come it's a problem in here? Zülfü E.Fərəcli (talk) 22:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Zulfu

As I said before, please take a look at WP:PRIMARY SOURCES, as well as WP:UNDUE. That other articles cites Chardin's work is irrelevant and in another context. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Aran?

Isn't Aran with two rr's? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:52, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition

https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-SIM_0736

The article "Arrān" says:

"By the 15th century A.D. the name Arrān was not in common parlance, for the territory was absorbed into Ād̲h̲arbāyd̲j̲ān."

If it is an reliable source, then add the correct text in the appropriate section. V.N.Ali;--12:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Jean Chardin into Persia and the East Indies : the first volume, containing the author's voyage from Paris to Ispahan : to which is added, the coronation of this present king of Persia, Solyman the Third

Jean Chardin's book from 1686 clearly states borders of the territory called Azerbaijan. "The region in the north of the Aras River, which is today called the Republic of Azerbaijan, had not been included within the geographical boundaries of Azerbaijan until 1918. Historians and geographers usually referred to the region north of the Aras River as Aran."

Provided source is not unreliable and referring to the primary source supported by valid references. This already enough to claim that some historically Azerbaijan referred only to the south of the Aras River by some sources, but other sources referred to it as both south and north of the Aras River.

Moreover, another source(https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-SIM_0736) also confirms what Jean Chardin wrote: "By the 15th century A.D. the name Arrān was not in common parlance, for the territory was absorbed into Ād̲h̲arbāyd̲j̲ān." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrvagl (talk • contribs) 17:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Can --HistoryofIran provide valid justification on why crucial part of the information, which confirmed with the primary sources, should be missing from the article? This dispute definitely should be escalated further.

Wikipedia is written using reliable, secondary sources (per WP:RS). Chardin is a WP:PRIMARY source, written in the 17th century. You are deliberately trying to shove this primary source into this article in order to nullify and weaken the WP:SECONDARY sources (i.e. WP:RSPRIMARY). This constitutes WP:TENDENTIOUS editing. I am well aware that there is a long-standing campaign going on at "certain" YouTube, FaceBook and Reddit subsections in order to overhaul Wikipedia according to certain state-funded negationist nonsense. It will never succeed, however, as long as free academic writing exists in this world. Consider this a final warning. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)