User talk:1Firang

May 2023

[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm Xeverything11. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Talk:The Kerala Story have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Xeverything11 (talk) 10:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Given that the above was clearly incorrect, I've struck it out. Note however that we discourage people from editing posts after they have been replied to, as it makes following a discussion difficult. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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Happy editing! Cheers, Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

1Firang (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I have never tried to evade a block or ban nor used multiple accounts 1Firang (talk) 2:27 pm, Today (UTC−4)

Accept reason:

Based on yamla's comment here RegentsPark (comment) 18:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Love jihad. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 11:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 04:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi 1Firang! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Anti-Hindu sentiment several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:Anti-Hindu sentiment, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Please actually address the objections expressed by the editor you were reverting (Googleguy007). HaeB (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I reverted him just once (that is, in that particular article). I don't have time for an edit war ("an edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions" according to WP:Edit warring), so i will avoid it completely.-1Firang (talk) 05:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Consider this your only warning

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy applies everywhere on Wikipedia. If you violate the policy again by presenting unproven accusations against named living individuals as fact, [1] I will report the matter. Given your relentless attempts to promote the conspiracy theory on Wikipedia, this is very likely to result in you being blocked from editing - quite possibly indefinitely. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Your edit to Coerced religious conversion in Pakistan has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I had paraphrased it right?-1Firang (talk) 19:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Friendly advice

@1Firang You seem to be editing in contentious areas where in one need to be extra careful and study Wikipedia policies and editing culture a lot before editing.

Here is some friendly advice for you.

• In any discussion do not ping users selectively, doing so is not considered neutral. One is supposed to ping all substantive contributors to an article.
• Don't be in hurry to dabble in contentious areas. First and always edit in areas other than your usual focus and non-contentious areas.
• Read previous discussions on talk page including that from talk page archives without temptation to react n the immediately.

• In older discussion you may find users referring to various policies and essays read those policies and essays thoroughly.
• Learn and get used to citing those policies in discussions.
• Always avoid personal criticism against any user. (I have not seen you doing so still mentioning on safer side)
• To begin with do not try to add large chunk of content. But go just with couple of sentences.
• At least try to read and source from 2 to 3 reliable sources and then write in your own words. Wikipedia community has it's own take on which sources are reliable. be aware of those policies.
• Learn to get into more depth of sources. Be frequent visitor to google scholar, google books, Wikipedia Library. Give preference to Academic sources. See if author is a professor for the same topic areas in an international university. If you are referring to news media see preferably see if any international media like aljazeera Washington post or New york times too are reporting. or at least 2-3 national level credible news media.

• All this can be time consuming so go slow.

As of now I can not help you in Pakistan related women's rights and feminism areas due to editing restrictions on me. I have included you in my mentee list you can ask me policy guidance questions in other areas.

Happy wikipedia editing Bookku (talk) 03:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku: I got a notification that you have taken up my mentorship and I thank you for the same!-1Firang (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

This, removed sourced content - some incidents. Can I restore those (as I see a long list of, "Notable incidents" in the List of blasphemy cases in Pakistan article)? If not, why not?-1Firang (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

..If not, why not?..

Inculcate patience, that will help you read what the other person is saying. I have already mentioned ".. As of now I can not help you in Pakistan related women's rights and feminism areas due to editing restrictions on me. ..". Even without those restrictions, you selectively pinged users then too it becomes difficult to provide help. Contentious topic areas are on watch list of many users you do not need to ping users - if you ping then ping every one concerned and substantial contributors to the article, even if you do not get immediate response at some time some one will read things you put on talk pages.

Where you find my help inadequate you can take issues @ WP:Teahouse.

Anyways you read what I have written earlier. Don't try to be too fast. That will help you understand the things first - that shall help you in long run. Bookku (talk) 08:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang advice I gave in beginning is given is given after reasonable consideration of your present edit style and Wikipedia policies and culture. As much you take that by heart will help you more.

You need to have Wikipedia policies on your finger tips. For that to come naturally "Don't be in hurry to dabble in contentious areas to begin with. First and always edit in areas other than your usual focus and non-contentious areas." Add various central discussion pages in your watch list. Observe multiple RfC and AfD discussions without participating in them see what policies other users are talking about and how they are quoting policies.

Whenever you have urge to do some thing urgently on Wikipedia wait for a week so you can practice patience better. Bookku (talk) 10:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku: I believe you can participate in this discussion as it doesn't involve what you have been topic banned from.-1Firang (talk) 15:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

1. Articles and talk pages are well watch listed with me. As mentor I can observe your contributions more easily. You do not need to ping me every time.
2. You need to be communicative on talk pages but you seem to have too quick response time that can be unhelpful. Learn and practice t take longer breaks. Spend that (break) time in reading on google books, and if you find academic literature on google books update bibliography sections of relevant articles. I believe this will help you in long run.
3. Read Empty Your Cup: A Zen Proverb (external link) alternatively search story on YouTube. That may help you in understanding things better.
4. Read What Wikipedia is not at least two times.

Bookku (talk) 01:13, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Talk-page conduct

Please read the comment I just left at GogleGuy007's talkpage since the advice applies equally to you. Additionally, don't use article talkpages, which are meant to discuss the article content and not editor conduct, to ask for editors to be topic-banned etc. Abecedare (talk) 17:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Also read and heed the great advice that Bookku offered in the above section. Abecedare (talk) 17:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether haste is really benefiting you?

@ User:1Firang

• Heeding only to block warnings? but not timely friendly advisory?

• Mentorship is not a contract of supporting users in their mistakes rather they provide timely advice and course correction. That works when one heeds the advice.

• Unless you get out of contentious topic area immediately at least for a while, I am afraid, I can foresee you standing up in at least topic ban Que if not sooner then later.

• When some one replies to your comment you can not delete it but can strike out sentence indicating you are taking back your statement or changing it.

• When mentee ignores friendly advice it's time for Mentor to ignore mentee. May be you request some warning givers to be your mentor than myself and this is a serious suggestion.

Bookku (talk) 06:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku: I am sorry if I have offended you. Should I ask you before I do anything (and no, I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know)?-1Firang (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

BLP edits

1Firang, did you check the sources to see if they actually said what was claimed in this edit that you re-inserted in the BLP Mahesh Bhatt? Hint: Try searching the two cited sources for "secret nikaah", "Ashraf", "Sakina". Please rephrase to be compliant with wikipedia policies (namely WP:V, WP:DUE and WP:BLP) or self-revert. Abecedare (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Abecedare, I have removed what was not supported by the sources with this and this edit now. I had restored what Atlantic306 removed without checking the sources but I hope it is fine now!-1Firang (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this edit. It takes care of everything.-1Firang (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

1Firang, it is not okay to restore content (removed by an experienced editor who provided reasons for their removal) to a BLP without even checking the sources!.

And your revised version, while an improvement, was still deficient. For example, for some reason it used Kiran Bhatt's prior name "Lorraine Bright", and retained the mention of nikaah even though the form of the wedding is not mentioned in either of the cited sources and would be undue in any case. As you noted, I have copy-edited the content myself to fix these and other issues. Abecedare (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks again!-1Firang (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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The shortcut for the India related noticeboard is :WT:IN.-1Firang (talk) 04:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

Indefinitely topic-banned from all articles and discussions related to India or Pakistan, broadly construed

You have been sanctioned for bludgeoning of discussions, including at Help talk:IPA/Hindi and Urdu, Help talk:IPA/Sanskrit, Talk:The Kerala Story, Talk:Coerced religious conversion in Pakistan and Talk:Love jihad conspiracy theory; and, for tendentious editing and slow edit-warring at the related articles, sometimes with false claim of talkpage agreement when editors stop responding to your repetitious talkpage comments. Unfortunately your editing has not improved over the past ~50 days despite previous warnings, advice and mentorship. And the same conduct at new venues has become a significant drain on wikipedia's editorial resources as was observed at the recent ANI report that you filed.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Abecedare (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Added "indefinitely" in the above notification to avoid any confusion about the duration. Abecedare (talk) 03:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)