Talk:Gay

Same-sex encounters

I changed the following sentence

If a person has had same-sex sexual encounters but does not self-identify as gay, terms such as 'closeted', 'discreet', or 'bi-curious' may be applied.

To say "if a person engages in same-sex sexual encounters" as I feel it's more accurate. A person who has had same sex encounters at some stage but no longer engages in them would IMHO not usually be described as closeted, discreet or bi-curious. Especially if the same-sex encounters were largely because of access reasons (e.g. in an all male environment). Even if a person has a few same-sex encounters early in life as a form of experimentation or whatever, but no longer engages in them and does not feel sexually attracted to people of the same-sex, they would not be called closeted, discreet or bi-curious either IMHO. Of course, a reference would be good Nil Einne 00:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Gay in filtering/blacklisting software

It appears having the surname Gay can be a problem due to filtering software. I don't know if this should go here or in a Gay (surname) page. Perhaps here since the reason it's

Request for updating

Hi I want to make a wiki style website for homosexuals in my area. Am I allowed to use the name wiki in the domain I register and am I allowed to ad google adsense to the site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.222.112 (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

bulgarian

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Hello :) I'd like to ask you if it's possible to update the part of the article "gay" where there is a list of the articles "gay" in other languages. Now there is an article in bulgarian language too, so I would like to ask you to add the bulgarian version to the list of languages. in bulgarian is: bg:Гей

Thank you in advance.

(Mahoujin 10:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC))

Done. - Gilliam 01:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Enola gay

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To support what's said in the history of the word Gay about being also a name, it should also be said the Enola Gay was named with the pilot's mother name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.90.237.74 (talk) 00:28, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

reposted to that article's talk page. Benjiboi 11:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

gay straitjacket

I would like to add this heading to the gay page. The term gay straitjacket was coined by Donald Black (q.v.) in his book Escape the Gay Straitjacket to describe the helplessness that (he claims) 90% of gay men are subject to as they repress their anger. This anger repression, he says, is caused by a neurosis which they acquire very early in life. Symptoms of repressed anger include: the inability to stand up for themselves, allowing themselves to be bullied, allowing themselves to be manipulated, being afraid of (imagined) "violence", being unable to express anger, having difficulty in reaching a sexual orgasm and the need to use amyl nitrite ("poppers") to overcome this, feeling depressed, feeling oppressed by society, the inability to find "Mr Right", being late for appointments, forgetfulness, making silly mistakes, and the inability to participate in body-contact sports that require the use of aggression, such as soccer, rugby, boxing, judo, and wrestling.Andrenapier 17:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Andrenapier

Well that sounds like a load of ol' baloney to me. Being late for appointments is someohw connnected to being gay? Cripes. However, the question is, how notable is this theory? How much discussion of it is there? Paul B 17:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any reliable sources for this right now, (don't have the time), but there is the term "gay time" in the LBGT community, in which one meaning is being late to things, as in fashionably late. Not to say it's notable. — Becksguy (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I've heard the same thing called drag time, diva time and tranny time. Benjiboi 11:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Fudge packer

I don't mean to be offensive but, I wanted to know what the insult "fudge packer" meant and it redirected to here, what does the term actually mean? 156.34.212.243 (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Never heard of it, but sounds like a reference to anal sex - implying the compression of bowel contents. Are you saying there is a redirect to here? Paul B (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Yup, there is a redirect to here, I wikified the title so you can see it. 156.34.220.245 (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I see that fudge packer redirects here but fudgepacker redirects to anal sex. The latter was once an article in its own right, explaining the meaning see here. We also have an article on that famous movie Billy's Dad Is a Fudge-Packer‎. I think it would be sensible to point both redirects to the anal sex article, since it appears from my extensive research that that is the best place for it. Paul B (talk) 16:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

First Gay Baby (Embryo) is here

I suggest adding a topic on gay reproduction... as the really Gay baby is here! Two men's dna became a live embryo, which could be implanted in a woman and growup to a really gay child. 2 men (or 2 women) could have a genetic baby which is their own genetically, which was not possible until now. I guess this is a big step for "gayvolution" and raises interesting questions... Will evolution now leave regular folk behind? I really feel for the pope. He has to explain this life not born of a man and a woman all over again. And what will the prolifers do? Will they divide into 2 camps: pro-killing the gay embryo vs. keeping both types of life alive? Interesting questions ahead... Article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/us/18embryos.html AnilN 66.191.69.114 (talk) 06:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

They aren't really saying anything about a gay baby...or whether the two men are gay. But if they were, I wouldn't say that just because a baby has the DNA of two gay individuals...that that baby will necessarily be gay. But, anyway, I read an article in a newspaper some years ago where a few scientists stated to having created an offspring from the DNA of two female mice. So I knew that it would only be a matter of time before the combination of DNA from two women would be possible to create a child. I didn't think about the combination of DNA from two men, mainly because men cannot become pregnant (well, not naturally anyway). But if the the combination of DNA from two women can create a child, it certainly doesn't seem off that the combination of DNA from two men could as well. However, the above cited article also stated this: It is not clear whether the embryos would have been viable if implanted into a womb. Stemagen did not test whether the embryos had the correct number of chromosomes. But Dr. Wood, who also is a fertility doctor, said, “We’ve seen reproductive blastocysts that look like this or worse and they implant.”

I'm not really for scientists tampering with nature like this, if it's just to create children. Or specific type of children. But I have written about something that touches on this, and it reminds me of the film Gattaca. But, yeah, we'll see how to add this new information to this article. Flyer22 (talk) 07:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It has nothing whatever to do with the article, which is about the word "gay". Paul B (talk) 11:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's settled. Hey, I was very sleepy that early in the morning...and had an "off-moment" in suggesting that we'd find some way to add that information to this article. I'm clear-headed now, and agree, of course, that it really has no place in this article. As I mentioned above, it doesn't mention a thing about being gay (or the word "Gay", for that matter). Flyer22 (talk) 22:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

homosexuals have imbalanced amount of hormons estrogen and androgen,so it is then a illnes.It has nothing to do with gens.--Vule91 (talk) 16:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Babylon

Sorry this is probably not directly related to this article.

but out of curiosity...does anyone know how did the name 'Babylon' (which is supposed to be a town/village in the US) become assosiated with gay ?

thpsycho feb 13 2008 (Thpsycho (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC))

UNESCO document on masculinity

User:Masculinity has inserted[1] a link to a UNESCO document on masculinity in boys. This contains good information and is a reliable source, but I am going to remove the link for a couple of reasons:

• That document as a whole does not primarily relate to the term or the concept of Gay. That's simply not the document is about. If there are one or more specific passages in the UNESCO document that are relevant to a specific idea expressed in our Gay article, we should cite specific pages of the UNESCO document using footnotes.
• The "See also" section generally shouldn't contain external links. "See also" should contain links to other Wikipedia articles. Links to other websites can go in an "External links" section

On the other hand, that document is highly relevant to the masculinity article, but you will see that that article already contains the link (aee Masculinity#Further_reading).--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 15:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing it for the first bulleted reason above is fine with me. I restored and fixed the problems with it because it looked like it had been removed simply for being a "bad link". Mike R (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Sexual Orienation is a western concept and should not be seen as universal

The entire idea that people, especially men, can be divided on the basis of their 'proclaimed' sexuality is a concept peculiar to the modern west, and to discuss the concept as a universal phenomena, and to judge or study other sexuality, men and masculinities in other cultures and in other times on the basis of these concepts not only distorts and misrepresents their reality, but also is seen by oppressive by people on whom the west enforces these identities, often through the one-sided process of globalisation. Wikipedia, should take into account this fact when discussing modern western concepts such as 'sexual orienatation', 'homosexuality', 'heterosexuality', 'gay' and 'straight', etc., and it should clearly mention this fact, because, although it is an English site, it is meant for the entire world, and not only for the western world. Only that will make it a truly relevant and global site.