User talk:Thorsten1

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Toynbees

Nice job on fixing up Toynbee; I'm impressed you can keep track on all these guys. -- John Fader (talk · contribs) 23:53, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't actually, Google does. ;-) --Thorsten1 19:28, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Polish-Soviet_War

Thanks for your mediation efforts on Talk:Polish-Soviet_War. I'll not respond to your last comment there if you don't mind. I just don't think we want to continue this discussion. Everyone seems to have said most of what they had to... And the discussion seems rather fruitless. I believe you'll agree with me on this and won't feel offended. The article is neither about the pact nor calls it an alliance anyway. However if you feel I should respond, just let me know on my talk page. Wojsyl 18:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, that's fine, I think the discussion has run its course. For the record, I was actually not taking offence with the word "alliance" in itself, but with the uncompromising claims that this is in fact the best and only correct word, or that it is completely incorrect, respectively. I still feel, though, that "pact" would help to avoid such fruitless discussions in the future. --Thorsten1 20:06, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

VfD: Nazi or German Occupation?

Check this VfD vote: [1] --Ttyre 19:19, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism in Poland

You might be interested in this discussion. --Ttyre 14:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Polish Wikipedians' notice board/Black Book

Thank you for your eloquent and incisive defense of me on this VfD discussion. I think your recent comment hits the nail on the head. Nohat 22:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Welcome, and thanks for your comment. --Thorsten1 12:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

William I. Thomas

Nice :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 08:47, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dziękuję ślicznie za komplement. ;-). --Thorsten1 13:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

persona non grata

Are you persona non grata among apparently Polish wikipedians, as Tomer claims on Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Anti-Polonism? I most certainly hope not...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

SylwiaS appeared to be somewhat less than happy with my comments in the VFD against the Polish Wikipedias' Black Book. Whether or not the plural form used by Tomer is justified is not up for me to decide. --Thorsten1 10:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Thorsten, yes, I didn’t agree with your comments, but I seriously hope, you don’t think that it has anything to do with my personal attitude to you. I guess we may disagree on many things in the future and also be in complete agreement on many other things. I really hope, we can agree on this one now. --SylwiaS 01:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Sylwia, thanks for your conciliatory statement. Still, I fear the consensus between us is rather fragile and superficial. But you are right anyway - let's keep the hatchet buried for as long as we don't need it... ;) --Thorsten1 17:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism in Poland (again)

Hey, Thorsten. I've reverted the article to a more NPOV version by Piotrus. Someone has been reverting it to a very POV verison so as to increase the number of delete votes. Feel free to take a second look. Thanks. HKT 22:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll change my vote based on Piotrus's version. --Thorsten1 22:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Piotrus has re-phrased his vote Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland to delete unless... could you reconsider your vote? --Ttyre 19:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I just did. Even though it renders the chaotic discussion even more unreadable. --Thorsten1 20:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

A-P

I question validity of a number of statements you have made in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland such as "...żydokomuna is very much a Polish issue" or "...the events of 1968 are quite unparalleled." In the US, during the interwar (see: Father Coughlin, The Dearborn Independent) and post-WWII (especially during the Joseph McCarthy-era) periods, there were persistent accusations of bolshevism and association with communism made against Jews. The expulsions of the Jewish communities from Iran and most Arab countries draw parallels with the anti-Zionist events of 1968 Poland. --Ttyre 10:00, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I would be tempted to agree if McCarthyism and comparable events had resulted, say, in Jews being removed from their jobs or denied access to universities on grounds of being Jewish, and a subsequent exodus of the majority of American Jews.

Also, Iran and the Arab world are understandably not the standard Poles normally ask to be measured against. When I said "unparalleled", I naturally meant "unparalleled" in the sphere of Western civilisation which Poland vehemently insisted on belonging to. --Thorsten1 10:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

"Let's try to stay civil..." I agree with you wholeheartedly. Consequently, sometimes I do call and challenge editors when the Wikipedia:Civility rules are being violated (see Soapboxing? discussion in Talk:Anti-Semitism). Also, if you are concerned with this issue, you might take a look at the IZAK's recent entries in the Talk:History of the Jews in Poland "History of JEWS and Judaism in Poland" section. --Ttyre 10:00, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The article isn't on my watchlist yet, but I am going to have a look as soon as I have the time. If I find any unjustified accusations of anti-whatever-ism, I'm going to leave a comment. --Thorsten1 10:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Quotes from HKT entries in Talk:Anti-Semitism's Soapboxing? section: "...More Poles collaborated in having Jews sent to death camps than were themselves sent to death camps..." and "There are some historians, like Lukas, who deny rampant Polish collaboration with Nazis." IZAK's entries in Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#History_of_JEWS_and_Judaism_in_Poland_vs._History_of_Poland_and_its_impact_on_Jews.3F are too long to quote here - see them for yourself. --Ttyre 17:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I left a comment regarding HKT's statement of fact on collaboration. As for IZAK's reduction of Polish culture to "boar-hunting and beer-drinking", this has little to do with the point under discussion and is so obviously an unqualified POV judgment and provocation that no comment is required. --Thorsten1 10:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC).

Hey Thorsten1, I've decided my wikibreak was an insufferable sham, so I came back. At this point I'm still considering opening an RfC against Witkacy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and possibly against TheUnforgiven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) simultaneously, although TheUnforgiven is so obviously insane that that may be unnecessary. At the same time, I'm thinking maybe I should just stay out of Poland and Polish-related articles, since Troll Witkacy reigns supreme there. The utterly nonsensical "Anti-Polonism" and the unspeakable idiocy brought to the fore during its VfD demonstrate that there are a number of Polish editors whose view of the world is utterly unhinged from reality. I'm not here to snap people out of their fantasies tho. Eventually the rampant insanity will get so out of hand that people with bigger sticks than I will step in to stop it. As it is, I'm thinking perhaps it would just be prudent to warn people not to believe anything about Poland or Poland-related articles on WP and save myself the agony of trying to reason with such obvious incompetence. There are several very good editors involved with those articles, but Troll Witkacy seems to regard any such articles as his personal property, and until he's disabused of that erroneous notion, perhaps I oughtta just stay away. Tomer ^TALK 03:12, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Woohoo! I knew it! [2]. Gawd I hate trolls. Tomer ^TALK 20:39, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Wiktacy's deletions at Anti-Polonism

Would you mind taking a look at Wiktacy's deletions of content at Anti-Polonism, and my comments regarding that in Talk: there? Your opinion would be welcome. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. However, I think that the article is completely beyond repair as a whole - clearing it of Witkacy's POV edits wouldn't be more than a drop in the ocean... For the time being, let's insert a neutrality warning - I think nobody can seriously object to that. --Thorsten1 10:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Note to self: "I think nobody can seriously object to that." Seems like I was wrong. Heated controversies on talk and VfD do not count - the article is officially neutral. Oh, and the earth is flat. --Thorsten1 09:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Davies

who are the other western colleagues? - Could you provide names and quotes?--Witkacy 10:30, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd say roughly at least 50% of all lecturers. Ever been to a class on East European history in the UK, US or Germany, or overheard discussions at conferences? Feel free to read my longish dispute with User:Jehudit on Talk:Norman Davies including extensive quotes from a review of Rising '44. Note that I do not claim this criticism is ultimately justified. I just think that sweeping it under the carpet is not a good idea at all. To insinuate, as you do, that criticism of Davies is strictly the domain of a few individuals who just happen to be Jewish is either naive or a deliberate attempt at creating a false impression. Against the backdrop of your recent "patriotic" comments in connection with anti-Polonism and anti-Semitism I fear that the latter possibility is closer to the truth. --Thorsten1 10:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)